Religious Discussion Thread

[The DoggFather]

That kind of makes sense because Jesus is a prominent figure in Western culture, while Mohammed isn't. So basically it's just westerners attacking their own because of relevance.

Attacking Mohammed wouldn't make much sense because most Americans wouldn't even know who the prophet Mohammed is. Instead they just say, "Muslims are terrorists that attack us because they hate American"

Think about it. For every TV show that portrays Jesus is a bad light, there's at least 10 TV shows that portray the "Muslims are terrorists" trope.

Marvel recently made the Ms Marvel TV series with a Pakistani Muslim lead and it confused the hell out of Americans because they couldn't see Muslims as people.

Is that the show that failed miserably, or am I mistaken?

 

[CaptainJackson]

That kind of makes sense because Jesus is a prominent figure in Western culture, while Mohammed isn't. So basically it's just westerners attacking their own because of relevance.

Attacking Mohammed wouldn't make much sense because most Americans wouldn't even know who the prophet Mohammed is. Instead they just say, "Muslims are terrorists that attack us because they hate American"

Think about it. For every TV show that portrays Jesus is a bad light, there's at least 10 TV shows that portray the "Muslims are terrorists" trope.

Marvel recently made the Ms Marvel TV series with a Pakistani Muslim lead and it confused the hell out of Americans because they couldn't see Muslims as people.

Assassin does have a point though but I'd probably point that to differences in western culture vs middle eastern culture, rather than a religious difference.

For example the movie Dogma can be made because Monty Python made all those inroads decades before (and they dealt with the death threats from christians), whereas the Islamic world hasn't really had that mocking group who's made that type of inroad to mock Islam, hence there's still a fear of death threats.

But again I think that's more down to culture rather than a religious influence

 

[The DoggFather]

Assassin does have a point thought but I'd probably point that to differences in western culture vs middle eastern culture, rather than a religious difference.

For example the movie Dogma can be made because Monty Python made all those inroads decades before (and they dealt with the death threats from christians), whereas the Islamic world hasn't really had that mocking group who's made that type of inroad to mock Islam, hence there's still a fear of death threats.

But again I think that's more down to culture rather than a religious influence

I just see it as they see us as easy targets with our "turn the other cheek".

We have seen how Muslims defend their religion/prophet.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Is that the show that failed miserably, or am I mistaken?

Nah, it was actually pretty well loved. I watched it and it wasn't great, but it was enjoyable. I know many Pakistani Muslims who loved it for its accurate portrayal of Pakistani life.

Got a bit crap in the last episode though. Still better than "She-Hulk: Attorney at Law"

Seriously. I love Tatiana Maslany but that show is crap.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Assassin does have a point though but I'd probably point that to differences in western culture vs middle eastern culture, rather than a religious difference.

For example the movie Dogma can be made because Monty Python made all those inroads decades before (and they dealt with the death threats from christians), whereas the Islamic world hasn't really had that mocking group who's made that type of inroad to mock Islam, hence there's still a fear of death threats.

But again I think that's more down to culture rather than a religious influence

I think that's pretty much what I said, but less drunk.

 

[The DoggFather]

Nah, it was actually pretty well loved. I watched it and it wasn't great, but it was enjoyable. I know many Pakistani Muslims who loved it for its accurate portrayal of Pakistani life.

Got a bit crap in the last episode though. Still better than "She-Hulk: Attorney at Law"

Seriously. I love Tatiana Maslany but that show is crap.

Can't get myself to watch that, you can instantly tell its going to be shit.

 

[CaptainJackson]

I just see it as they see us as easy targets with our "turn the other cheek".

We have seen how Muslims defend their religion/prophet.

Monty Python made those in roads with comedy against Christianity bro, they copped heaps of death threats at the time.

It's the fact that groups like Monty Python normalised it, that later satire could be made.

Islam hasn't had that at the moment and given the islamic culture is a lot more volatile than English Christian culture (at the time of Monty python), those inroads of satire vs Islam may never be made

 

[Hacky McAxe]

I just see it as they see us as easy targets with our "turn the other cheek".

We have seen how Muslims defend their religion/prophet.

I still think it's primarily cultural but everytime this discussion is brought up, I have to bring NOFX into it...

"Anything that is your holy or sacred
I'm gonna desecrate and use in jest
But you'll never hear a crack about Mohammad
Cause I don't wanna get shot in the chest"

Everyone sing along!

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Not sure but I will say that porn lies to you. When they tell you that Christian women are these hot virgins with pent up sexual energy... It's a complete lie.

I've never watched anything like that..

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Can't get myself to watch that, you can instantly tell its going to be shit.

Have to be honest. I watched She-Hulk because I have a thing for giant chicks. Green or otherwise. But yeah, the show is just non-sensical directionless rubbish.

I would recommend most of Ms Marvel though. It's a decent show because they use some creative cinematography. And it also delves into the partition of India which is interesting.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

I've never watched anything like that..

.... Yes.... Nor have I....

 

[CaptainJackson]

Monty Python made those in roads with comedy against Christianity bro, they copped heaps of death threats at the time.

It's the fact that groups like Monty Python normalised it, that later satire could be made.

Islam hasn't had that at the moment and given the islamic culture is a lot more volatile than English Christian culture (at the time of Monty python), those inroads of satire vs Islam may never be made

@ASSASSIN as an example, they finally got Salman Rushdie only last week

And Salman's book (satanic verses) was a nothing "insult", there was absolutely nothing in it

 

[Realist90]

That kind of makes sense because Jesus is a prominent figure in Western culture, while Mohammed isn't. So basically it's just westerners attacking their own because of relevance.

Attacking Mohammed wouldn't make much sense because most Americans wouldn't even know who the prophet Mohammed is. Instead they just say, "Muslims are terrorists that attack us because they hate American"

Think about it. For every TV show that portrays Jesus is a bad light, there's at least 10 TV shows that portray the "Muslims are terrorists" trope.

Marvel recently made the Ms Marvel TV series with a Pakistani Muslim lead and it confused the hell out of Americans because they couldn't see Muslims as people.

even for you that’s a deluded take. We’re multicultural right? It’s fair game to make fun of all relgiious groups. Unless you’re admitting the west is a Christian civilisation and built on Christianity values which are trying to be destroyed now?

 

[The DoggFather]

@ASSASSIN as an example, they finally got Salman Rushdie only last week

And Salman's book (satanic verses) was a nothing "insult", there was absolutely nothing in it

Heard about it but don't know the full details. Who did he piss off?

 

[Realist90]

@ASSASSIN as an example, they finally got Salman Rushdie only last week

And Salman's book (satanic verses) was a nothing "insult", there was absolutely nothing in it

Is that the ex Muslim who got stabbed on stage by a Muslim?

 

[Realist90]

Ok fair.

If God asked you to kill someone. Would you? Would that killing be right?

If he asked you to kill 1000 first sons for example

You’re asking different questions and also re asking an answred question. I already said you can apply your own logic here if God says to end a life if you use your own logic to stay consistent it’s not murder.

Now the next one you ask if a man is told by avid to kill someone but then use an example of the Old Testament where it was an angel of God who killed the first borns. Which one is it?

 

[CaptainJackson]

Heard about it but don't know the full details. Who did he piss off?

This was the guy who wrote a book called the satanic verses (i think in the 80s) and the ayatollah from Iran had a fatwa against him. Salman went into hiding for decades with bodyguards because Muslims all over the world were outraged at him and wanted him dead

He gave a speech in New York last week and an extremist somehow smuggled a knife into the hall and stabbed him.

 

[Dogna88]

You’re asking different questions and also re asking an answred question. I already said you can apply your own logic here if God says to end a life if you use your own logic to stay consistent it’s not murder.

Now the next one you ask if a man is told by avid to kill someone but then use an example of the Old Testament where it was an angel of God who killed the first borns. Which one is it?

Didnt God ask the Angel to kill the first borns? Or did the Angel go anti-god?

Regardless. If you think that its ok to kill someone because God says to. Thats your choice boo.

My point i raise. Is how is that moral independent of mind. When it is dependent on the mind/nature of God?

If we had an evil god, or a different set of properties for God. Would you think that God could just determine whats good? That seems pretty subjective

 

[The DoggFather]

This was the guy who wrote a book called the satanic verses (i think in the 80s) and the ayatollah from Iran had a fatwa against him. Salman went into hiding for decades with bodyguards because Muslims all over the world were outraged at him and wanted him dead

He gave a speech in New York last week and an extremist somehow smuggled a knife into the hall and stabbed him.

Talk about a grudge....

 

[CaptainJackson]

Talk about a grudge....

Bro I said he smuggled a knife into the hall because security guards were still checking where ever Salman Rushdie made public appearances

This is like 40 years worth of grudge