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A lot of the left really hate him don't they?

Haven't researched but apparently he has the worst approval rating ever. If true that's big, seeing he beat the orange **** and both bushes
Yep. He was very much the lesser of two evils. Most didn't want him there and if another candidate was picked then I'm sure Trump would have lost by a landslide. But as the decision was between orange turd and senile old man, they had to settle for senility.
 

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A lot of the left really hate him don't they?

Haven't researched but apparently he has the worst approval rating ever. If true that's big, seeing he beat the orange **** and both bushes
Hes hated mate. 94% disapproval rating from democrats aged 18 to 34
 

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I honestly think that the Obama - Trump - Biden period will be written about as a key dynasty that impacted the world. I'm just not sure how permanent that impact will be.
Biden is not totally responsible for it and some things are outside of American control but we are clearly moving into a bipolar world between Western and Eurasian blocs, a very unstable economic period with a significant degree of de-dollarisation and debt and economic decline of Western allies (ie. EU and Japan), a weakening of US diplomatic influence, a loss of US international prestige etc... that is not meant to say that the US is finished... they will remain a great power, a great economy, but primacy they have enjoyed globally since the end of the Cold War is waning

and when people look back at this decline, the Biden Presidency will be the symbol for it --> the pandemic, the reckless spending and dollar printing, the Afghanistan withdrawal, the Ukraine War etc.
 

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Biden is not totally responsible for it and some things are outside of American control but we are clearly moving into a bipolar world between Western and Eurasian blocs, a very unstable economic period with a significant degree of de-dollarisation and debt and economic decline of Western allies (ie. EU and Japan), a weakening of US diplomatic influence, a loss of US international prestige etc... that is not meant to say that the US is finished... they will remain a great power, a great economy, but primacy they have enjoyed globally since the end of the Cold War is waning

and when people look back at this decline, the Biden Presidency will be the symbol for it --> the pandemic, the reckless spending and dollar printing, the Afghanistan withdrawal, the Ukraine War etc.
I doubt Biden will hold that much blame considering that the Pandemic happened while Trump was in power and the reckless spending and money printing has been happening since Bush.
 

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I doubt Biden will hold that much blame considering that the Pandemic happened while Trump was in power and the reckless spending and money printing has been happening since Bush.
Biden's presidency will come to symbolise the end of the American Century but yes, a lot of the problems have been present since Bush 43 and even Clinton

which is a pity... the Americans had such an opportunity post Cold War --> an opportunity that no nation previously had ever had nor likely will again... they had won a global, potentially cataclysmic confrontation with the Soviet Union and they did it without fighting a hot war directly against the Soviet Union... they won it with their economy and their ideals and the freedoms and culture in the West... and the Americans under Bush 41 showed very good judgement - at least initially - not to trample on the Russians which allowed for a peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union (just compare it with the bloody breakup of the former Yugoslavia)

the US global primacy enjoyed politically and economically and culturally and militarily could have set the world on a different path where the peace dividend could have been fully enjoyed... the end of history because the American style liberal democracy was the destination for all nations or so someone said once

but they pissed it all away with their hubris and greed and military adventurism and their shortsightedness
 

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Biden's presidency will come to symbolise the end of the American Century but yes, a lot of the problems have been present since Bush 43 and even Clinton

which is a pity... the Americans had such an opportunity post Cold War --> an opportunity that no nation previously had ever had nor likely will again... they had won a global, potentially cataclysmic confrontation with the Soviet Union and they did it without fighting a hot war directly against the Soviet Union... they won it with their economy and their ideals and the freedoms and culture in the West... and the Americans under Bush 41 showed very good judgement - at least initially - not to trample on the Russians which allowed for a peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union (just compare it with the bloody breakup of the former Yugoslavia)

the US global primacy enjoyed politically and economically and culturally and militarily could have set the world on a different path where the peace dividend could have been fully enjoyed... the end of history because the American style liberal democracy was the destination for all nations or so someone said once

but they pissed it all away with their hubris and greed and military adventurism and their shortsightedness
In other words, America fucked it up by being America.
 

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Biden's presidency will come to symbolise the end of the American Century but yes, a lot of the problems have been present since Bush 43 and even Clinton

which is a pity... the Americans had such an opportunity post Cold War --> an opportunity that no nation previously had ever had nor likely will again... they had won a global, potentially cataclysmic confrontation with the Soviet Union and they did it without fighting a hot war directly against the Soviet Union... they won it with their economy and their ideals and the freedoms and culture in the West... and the Americans under Bush 41 showed very good judgement - at least initially - not to trample on the Russians which allowed for a peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union (just compare it with the bloody breakup of the former Yugoslavia)

the US global primacy enjoyed politically and economically and culturally and militarily could have set the world on a different path where the peace dividend could have been fully enjoyed... the end of history because the American style liberal democracy was the destination for all nations or so someone said once

but they pissed it all away with their hubris and greed and military adventurism and their shortsightedness
Absolutely..what a freaking opportunity, not just for the US..but the world to embrace each other.. But alas its always about America..that Capitalist greed is so entrenched in them.. Not saying that I’m a Socialist..just this me me attitude is their creed.
 

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Absolutely..what a freaking opportunity, not just for the US..but the world to embrace each other.. But alas its always about America..that Capitalist greed is so entrenched in them.. Not saying that I’m a Socialist..just this me me attitude is their creed.
I believe that there is two Americas at war with each other --> their ideals (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness etc.) vs their interests (America First so to speak)... and what drives me up the f*+#ing wall is when the American interests are being pursued, especially internationally, but it is cloaked in their ideals (democracy, freedom)
 

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I believe that there is two Americas at war with each other --> their ideals (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness etc.) vs their interests (America First so to speak)... and what drives me up the f*+#ing wall is when the American interests are being pursued, especially internationally, but it is cloaked in their ideals (democracy, freedom)
You know no wonder there are so many shootings are in the US..it’s citizens reflect their foreign policies.. They shoot whoever they want who don’t agree with their way.. Not a good example.. *
* I know I’m bashing the US because they do do good..but not a real good international record..
 
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You know wonder there are so many shootings are in the US..it’s citizens reflect their foreign policies.. They shoot whoever they want who don’t agree with their way.. Not a good example.. *
* I know I’m bashing the US because they do do good..but not a real good international record..
an interesting argument I have listened to as to why the US is not an empire is because traditionally empires have used, plundered their colonies to enrich the centre, the imperial heart... imagine Athens or Rome for example in ancient times or Britain, Russia, Spain etc. in modern times

but for all of America's cynical opportunism internationally, at least in modern times (ie. not the Louisiana Purchase or Mexican War), it has not actually - per the argument - enriched America in general but rather just classes within the US --> corporate America, the military industrial complex, the political elites etc.

now, if that is the case, it begs the question whether the US really is the greatest country in the world for the majority of their citizens? and if it isn't, if the wealth of the US is actually not meant for ordinary Americans through healthcare and social welfare and infrastructure and education and economic opportunity and standard of living etc., and there are plenty of social and political and racial and class divisions in the country, maybe things like mass shootings and crime and demonstrations etc. are more understandable

just consider the following picture



 

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Absolutely..what a freaking opportunity, not just for the US..but the world to embrace each other.. But alas its always about America..that Capitalist greed is so entrenched in them.. Not saying that I’m a Socialist..just this me me attitude is their creed.
I was chatting with an American economist a while back about America's Capitalism, the Nordic model and stuff like that. He basically said that everyone praises the Nordic model as it is basically as Socialist as you can become without becoming Socialist. He called it a great model, but he pointed out that if countries like the US didn't exist, then the model would collapse as it relies on other Capitalistic countries to drive development and trade.

He said that the ideal model (in his opinion) would be a country like the US but with more Socialism built in. Something similar to Australia.
 

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an interesting argument I have listened to as to why the US is not an empire is because traditionally empires have used, plundered their colonies to enrich the centre, the imperial heart... imagine Athens or Rome for example in ancient times or Britain, Russia, Spain etc. in modern times

but for all of America's cynical opportunism internationally, at least in modern times (ie. not the Louisiana Purchase or Mexican War), it has not actually - per the argument - enriched America in general but rather just classes within the US --> corporate America, the military industrial complex, the political elites etc.

now, if that is the case, it begs the question whether the US really is the greatest country in the world for the majority of their citizens? and if it isn't, if the wealth of the US is actually not meant for ordinary Americans through healthcare and social welfare and infrastructure and education and economic opportunity and standard of living etc., and there are plenty of social and political and racial and class divisions in the country, maybe things like mass shootings and crime and demonstrations etc. are more understandable

just consider the following picture



Now that is progress!

The true measure of a society is how well it looks after its most vulnerable.. And on many levels the Us fail..

As I said..I do really believe the US is a society where one is encouraged to get as much as they can.. It’s not about sharing, it’s about getting more than others.. Look at commentator Ben Shapiro’s idea about those in poverty.. He almost says it’s their own fault..they can get out of it themselves by working hard ect.. But not all can, how does a kid learn if he/she hasn’t got food in his /her belly, or too cold to concentrate.. How you gunna rise above that? Sure some do..but they are the few.. some Us commentators quibble if citizens have to pay a little extra tax so that health care is universal.. It is always me first, second and third.. Not help, or provide for..
 

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I was chatting with an American economist a while back about America's Capitalism, the Nordic model and stuff like that. He basically said that everyone praises the Nordic model as it is basically as Socialist as you can become without becoming Socialist. He called it a great model, but he pointed out that if countries like the US didn't exist, then the model would collapse as it relies on other Capitalistic countries to drive development and trade.

He said that the ideal model (in his opinion) would be a country like the US but with more Socialism built in. Something similar to Australia.
Australia used to the perfect mixed economy..with essential services, like water, electricity, telecommunications, run by the government to ensure all citizens would have the most needed basic services at an affordable price..same with healthcare…funding the loses by subsidising with profits..this has obviously eroded to a point... Look I understand the need for competition to ensure innovation, progress, etc..but these services should be guaranteed.. Leave competition for retail.. Thus, it gives everyone an even chance..to a point..
 

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relies on other Capitalistic countries to drive development
The history of public funding/subsidies used in new technological advancement and private corporate advancement, is well documented, hence that notion is ridiculous

It also relies on the furphy that people will only do anything in return for economic reward. No doubt there are egotists like that but not everyone is like that and funnily enough many who've developed have done so for reasons other than economic reward
 

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that shanghai picture reminds me of parramatta
 

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The history of public funding/subsidies used in new technological advancement and private corporate advancement, is well documented, hence that notion is ridiculous

It also relies on the furphy that people will only do anything in return for economic reward. No doubt there are egotists like that but not everyone is like that and funnily enough many who've developed have done so for reasons other than economic reward
In part. Subsidies usually help in tech advancement and recovery, but they always lag behind Capitalism because they lack competition. What you end up with is advancements that lack refinement. The exception for this is government backed military tech advancements because the competition does exist there to drive it forward.

This is a fault with both Capitalists and Socialists. Both claim that their systems are the best at driving advancement, but both are wrong. Capitalistic competition gives us some of the biggest tech advancements. Socialism gives us the known advancements in the known commodities that we need.
 

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For example. The government backed military developed the Internet for communications. It was capitalism that turned it into something we can all use.
 

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The telephone, the lightbulb, electrical grid technology, smartphones, the modern computer.

These were all developed and advanced due to capitalistic competition. Without that drive there's no push for advancement.
 
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