Paris under attack

[Indiandog]

I must of missed something what are you talking about?

she is talking about 0.003% of the people who read the book wrong.

let her talk cos she obviously is well informed.

 

[Wolfmother]

I must of missed something what are you talking about?

Question:
Are suicide bombings justified or condemned under Islam?


Summary Answer:
Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not.


"Suicide bomber" is a derogatory term invented in the West to try and describe what in Islam is known as a Fedayeen or Shahid - a martyr. The point of the bomber isn't suicide - it is to kill infidels in battle. This is not just permitted by Muhammad, but encouraged with liberal promises of earthy rewards in heaven, including food and sex.


The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."


Qur'an (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."


Qur'an (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.


The dark-eyed virgins are mentioned in several places as well, including verses 44:54 and 52:20. For those who swing the other way, there are "perpetual youth" verse 6:17, otherwise known as "boys" verses 52:24 and 76:19.


Qur'an (17:33) "And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right" An important verse that is used by Shahid to not only justify their own deaths, but that of other bystanders who might be believers as well. The end justifies the means, with the goal being the defeat of the kafir and the establishment of Islamic rule.




From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:54) - The words of Muhammad: "I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death.

Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Uhud, Muhammad was desperate to push men into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death.

Muslim (20:4655) - A man asks Muhammad "which of men is the best?" Muhammad replies that it is the man who is always ready for battle and flies into it "seeking death at places where it can be expected." (Tellingly perhaps, the next most saintly man in Islam is the hermit who lives in isolation "sparing men from his mischief.")

Muslim (20:4681) - "Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords." After hearing Muhammad say that martyrdom leads to paradise, a young man pulls his sword and breaks the sheath (indicating that he has no intention of returning) then flings himself into battle until he is killed.

Muslim (20.4635) - "Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him."



Additional Notes:
Each week, there are about ten attempted suicide bombings - all by Muslims. The reason why Muslims are prone to self-detonation has nothing to do with genetics, desperation or suicide. It is the ideology that promotes martyrdom by promising paradise to those who lose their lives for Allah.

A suicide bombing is really an act of homicide. When Muslim apologists in the West say that Islam is against suicide bombings by pointing to the hadith that oppose killing oneself, such as Bukhari (23:446), they are being disingenuous. Muslims in the Arab world, who are less concerned about public relations, celebrate and revere suicide bombers, knowing that martyrdom in battle is glorified by their religion. As the Ayatollah Khomeini once put it, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah."

CAIR's Jamal Badawi, often held up as an example of moderate Islam, says "Suicide out of despair is not acceptable…Giving one’s life in a military situation is different and can be heroic if there is no other way of resisting…Killing civilians should be avoided if possible, but not everyone out of uniform is a civilian.” (One wonders how families of the 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed by suicide bombers would feel about Badawi's armchair analysis).

Another prominent CAIR figure, founder Omar Ahmad, actually praised suicide bombers to a youth convention in 1999: "Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide. They kill themselves for Islam."

As for the argument that innocent Muslims are often casualties, the prominent Sunni cleric explains that "Allah will also accept as martyrs those killed by mistake."

A 2014 fatwa by the mainstream OnIslam.net site states that suicide operations are actually an "obligatory form of Jihad that has nothing to do with terrorism or suicide." They quote Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of European Council for Fatwa and Research, who calls suicide bombings "a sacred duty carried out in form of self-defense and resisting aggression and injustice. So whoever is killed in such missions is a martyr, may Allah bless him with high esteem." (The same scholar encourages "every Palestinian" to this type of violence for the sake of religion).

Muhammad was quite shrewd in making suicide a crime while at the same time painting paradise in the most prolifically decadent terms - an endless orgy of sex, food, and aesthetic comfort. The frustration of the young believer, who is convinced that such eternal gratification lies just on the other side of death, but is forbidden from attaining it directly by his own hand, therefore comes to think of martyrdom as a relief - particularly if he is deprived of these comforts in life. Given this, it's a wonder that suicide bombings aren't more common than they are.

As a side note: the first suicide bomber in history may well have been Amalda de Rocas, a Christian teenage girl who was captured by the Turkish armies that were sent to conquer Cyprus in 1570 for no other reason than that they were not Muslim. During the campaign, the Muslims slaughtered entire towns (after promising them safe passage) and captured about 2,400 children for transport back to the robust sex slave market in Islamic Turkey.

Amalda, one of the older girls, realized the hell that awaited them and threw a burning torch into a powder keg, blowing up the ship and sparing several hundred Christian children the indignity of sexual exploitation at the hands of the Muslims of the day.

It is probably unfair to compare Amalda's noble and desperate act to the homicidal mass-murder sprees of Muhammad's modern-day Fedayeen, who heap misery onto innocent people simply for the purpose of achieving a gluttonous paradise for themselves... but we thought that it makes for an interesting note.

 

[Realist90]

Bro when innocent people die cause some moron high jakes our religion we do fell bad were not happy nor we support them but just remember that there is backlash ,and a scarfed women got pushed infront of a train by some man in England now is that fair is that justice

of course it ain't fair bro and it ain't justice. That's just giving Isis more fuel and will also attract more Muslims who were against Isis and they'll start to think hmmmm Isis is right it's us against them.

 

[Wolfmother]

she is talking about 0.003% of the people who read the book wrong.

let her talk cos she obviously is well informed.

typical arrogant response .

 

[Indiandog]

Indiandog I thought I posted somewhere I thought that waleed guy was very well spoken. He wasn't too defensive and was extremely saddened and condemned the attacks which is great to see.
I think somewhere in my posts you and a few others have sort of found an agenda? I assure you there is no agenda and I'm just sick of people crying about some discrimination when people are being actually killed.
Would you like to know the Catholic Churches official stance on Islam? As I am Catholic it is also my position.
As Islam teaches the one God of Abraham/Isaac/Ishmael Catholics and Muslims have the same one God, Muslims have a great foundation and stepping stone towards the salvation through Jesus Christ and finding the truth which is Jesus Christ, obviously as God Coz you guys already believe him to be a real person but only a prophet.
It goes something like that.

and this is for your my friend.

Letter to all Christians from Prophet Muhammad
How should Muslims treat Christians?
With violence? Anger? Hatred? The answer is none of the above. Below is the English rendering of a letter purportedly written by the Prophet Muhammad (saws) to all Christians. In a time when tensions between Islam and Christianity seem to be at an all-time high, we remind our Christian friends that a true Muslim cannot hurt a Christian in any way, neither by his hand, nor by his tongue.
Several certified historical copies are displayed in the library of St Catherine, some of which are witnessed by the judges of Islam to affirm historical authenticity. The monks claims that during the Ottoman conquest of Egypt in 1517, the original document was seized from the monastery by Ottoman soldiers and taken to Sultan Selim I’s palace in Istanbul for safekeeping.
The letter, below with translation requires no further explanation. We hope it provides credence and comfort that Prophet Muhammad (saws) truly celebrated his Christian friends. (The original letter is now in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul)
[h=3]Summary of letter[/h]“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

 

[Boxer]

The licence to kill in the name of God


Question:
Are suicide bombings justified or condemned under Islam?


Summary Answer:
Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not.


"Suicide bomber" is a derogatory term invented in the West to try and describe what in Islam is known as a Fedayeen or Shahid - a martyr. The point of the bomber isn't suicide - it is to kill infidels in battle. This is not just permitted by Muhammad, but encouraged with liberal promises of earthy rewards in heaven, including food and sex.


The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."


Qur'an (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."


Qur'an (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.


The dark-eyed virgins are mentioned in several places as well, including verses 44:54 and 52:20. For those who swing the other way, there are "perpetual youth" verse 6:17, otherwise known as "boys" verses 52:24 and 76:19.


Qur'an (17:33) "And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right" An important verse that is used by Shahid to not only justify their own deaths, but that of other bystanders who might be believers as well. The end justifies the means, with the goal being the defeat of the kafir and the establishment of Islamic rule.




From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:54) - The words of Muhammad: "I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death.

Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Uhud, Muhammad was desperate to push men into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death.

Muslim (20:4655) - A man asks Muhammad "which of men is the best?" Muhammad replies that it is the man who is always ready for battle and flies into it "seeking death at places where it can be expected." (Tellingly perhaps, the next most saintly man in Islam is the hermit who lives in isolation "sparing men from his mischief.")

Muslim (20:4681) - "Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords." After hearing Muhammad say that martyrdom leads to paradise, a young man pulls his sword and breaks the sheath (indicating that he has no intention of returning) then flings himself into battle until he is killed.

Muslim (20.4635) - "Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him."



Additional Notes:
Each week, there are about ten attempted suicide bombings - all by Muslims. The reason why Muslims are prone to self-detonation has nothing to do with genetics, desperation or suicide. It is the ideology that promotes martyrdom by promising paradise to those who lose their lives for Allah.

A suicide bombing is really an act of homicide. When Muslim apologists in the West say that Islam is against suicide bombings by pointing to the hadith that oppose killing oneself, such as Bukhari (23:446), they are being disingenuous. Muslims in the Arab world, who are less concerned about public relations, celebrate and revere suicide bombers, knowing that martyrdom in battle is glorified by their religion. As the Ayatollah Khomeini once put it, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah."

CAIR's Jamal Badawi, often held up as an example of moderate Islam, says "Suicide out of despair is not acceptable…Giving one’s life in a military situation is different and can be heroic if there is no other way of resisting…Killing civilians should be avoided if possible, but not everyone out of uniform is a civilian.” (One wonders how families of the 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed by suicide bombers would feel about Badawi's armchair analysis).

Another prominent CAIR figure, founder Omar Ahmad, actually praised suicide bombers to a youth convention in 1999: "Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide. They kill themselves for Islam."

As for the argument that innocent Muslims are often casualties, the prominent Sunni cleric explains that "Allah will also accept as martyrs those killed by mistake."

A 2014 fatwa by the mainstream OnIslam.net site states that suicide operations are actually an "obligatory form of Jihad that has nothing to do with terrorism or suicide." They quote Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of European Council for Fatwa and Research, who calls suicide bombings "a sacred duty carried out in form of self-defense and resisting aggression and injustice. So whoever is killed in such missions is a martyr, may Allah bless him with high esteem." (The same scholar encourages "every Palestinian" to this type of violence for the sake of religion).

Muhammad was quite shrewd in making suicide a crime while at the same time painting paradise in the most prolifically decadent terms - an endless orgy of sex, food, and aesthetic comfort. The frustration of the young believer, who is convinced that such eternal gratification lies just on the other side of death, but is forbidden from attaining it directly by his own hand, therefore comes to think of martyrdom as a relief - particularly if he is deprived of these comforts in life. Given this, it's a wonder that suicide bombings aren't more common than they are.

As a side note: the first suicide bomber in history may well have been Amalda de Rocas, a Christian teenage girl who was captured by the Turkish armies that were sent to conquer Cyprus in 1570 for no other reason than that they were not Muslim. During the campaign, the Muslims slaughtered entire towns (after promising them safe passage) and captured about 2,400 children for transport back to the robust sex slave market in Islamic Turkey.

Amalda, one of the older girls, realized the hell that awaited them and threw a burning torch into a powder keg, blowing up the ship and sparing several hundred Christian children the indignity of sexual exploitation at the hands of the Muslims of the day.

It is probably unfair to compare Amalda's noble and desperate act to the homicidal mass-murder sprees of Muhammad's modern-day Fedayeen, who heap misery onto innocent people simply for the purpose of achieving a gluttonous paradise for themselves... but we thought that it makes for an interesting note.

Wolfie all those verses are talking about what ?
Killing in the name of Allah?
let me tell you why those verses are in there , God sent down verses of there time when they where attacked for being Muslims God sent down verse to use self defence.
at the beginning there weren't much muslims 300 at best they were approached by a bigger army 1100 and wanted to destroy all the muslims one of those verses was for that battle and guess what they won by he will of Allah .
many verses came down for the battles they had.
did you know your a martyr if you go to work and earn a clean living .

 

[Indiandog]

typical arrogant response .

mirror mirror on the wall...

 

[Indiandog]

Wolfie all those verses are talking about what ?
Killing in the name of Allah?
let me tell you why those verses are in there , God sent down verses of there time when they where attacked for being Muslims God sent down verse to use self defence.
at the beginning there weren't much muslims 300 at best they were approached by a bigger army 1100 and wanted to destroy all the muslims one of those verses was for that battle and guess what they won by he will of Allah .
many verses came down for the battles they had.
did you know your a martyr if you go to work and earn a clean living .

mate, people like her wont go to a genuine sheikh (not the self procalim one), wont go to a mosque and listen to what the 99.9% of the scholars are saying, sit on their computers , in their homes, closed doors, closed minds, with their tiny little agendas, ready to ignore any argument you show then to prove how wrong they are.

I will challenge her any mosques in qld, cos i am not in nsw, and i will take her or anyone else she choses if she is genuinely concerned about the verses in Quran as to be explained to her with how , where , when and why the verse was revealed.

The fools will always choose to ignore the fact that the book wasnt revealed in one hit, it was revealed on different occasion as per the situation for a reason.

I am not an arab but i dont dare get the holy book in my hand and try to interpret by google dictionary cos i know i will get million meanings out of an arabic word ....some words wont even have a translation in other language.

this is one of the simple reasons you need to go and ask the scholars who have spent thousands of hours understanding every single verse.

99.997% of them dont agree with 0.003% but.

 

[Wolfmother]

Wolfie all those verses are talking about what ?
Killing in the name of Allah?
let me tell you why those verses are in there , God sent down verses of there time when they where attacked for being Muslims God sent down verse to use self defence.
at the beginning there weren't much muslims 300 at best they were approached by a bigger army 1100 and wanted to destroy all the muslims one of those verses was for that battle and guess what they won by he will of Allah .
many verses came down for the battles they had.
did you know your a martyr if you go to work and earn a clean living .

thanks boxer I didn't know all that ,so if its no longer valid in this day n age ,it needs to be removed from your book as its too open for interpretation and it's clearly what the terrorists are preaching.

im talking as a concerned person not one who wants to hate anyone..

 

[Mr Invisible]

In answer to your question ID

Did you for once , praised or acknowledged other australian muslims like walid ali, Dr Jamil Rifi, Yasmin Khan, Ikebal Patil and numerous other muslim leaders who probably wont agree with each other on numerous matters but individually condemned the paris attacks??

Condemnation is one thing. But then making excuses for someone who pulls out the victim card, and is the cheif spokesperson of that religion in Australia, just makes them look hypocritical.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...letting-trying-explain-Australian-people.html

Love it I don't mean to offend anyone or disrespect any religion but use are all a bunch of terrorist lol

I've got family members that are Muslims.

It's hard to argue with this though:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...iolent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks
List of terrorist attacks dating back to 1910. Note that up until the year 2000, there were a number of other parties at work alongside jihadism. However from 2000 onwards (so last 15 years), Jihadism has been attributed to almost every terrorist attack since.

That's not just 1 or 2 radicals, that's a hell of a lot of misintepretation of a holy book.

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015
List of terrorist incidents JUST in 2015.

Note the religions associated to those attacks (just in 2015).

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
List of Islamic terrorist attacks.
Note the number in 1980s / 1990s, and then the HUGE amount more in 2000s and 2010s.


...
...

Pretty damning evidence/sources that surely there can't be THAT many people misreading the scriptures.

As dumb as it sounds, perhaps the best way (to avoid negative stigmata), is for those peaceful followers of a set part of the religion, to rename it (and as such distance themselves from the radicals completely).

 

[Wolfmother]

mate, people like her wont go to a genuine sheikh (not the self procalim one), wont go to a mosque and listen to what the 99.9% of the scholars are saying, sit on their computers , in their homes, closed doors, closed minds, with their tiny little agendas, ready to ignore any argument you show then to prove how wrong they are.

I will challenge her any mosques in qld, cos i am not in nsw, and i will take her or anyone else she choses if she is genuinely concerned about the verses in Quran as to be explained to her with how , where , when and why the verse was revealed.

The fools will always choose to ignore the fact that the book wasnt revealed in one hit, it was revealed on different occasion as per the situation for a reason.

I am not an arab but i dont dare get the holy book in my hand and try to interpret by google dictionary cos i know i will get million meanings out of an arabic word ....some words wont even have a translation in other language.

this is one of the simple reasons you need to go and ask the scholars who have spent thousands of hours understanding every single verse.

99.997% of them dont agree with 0.003% but.

Fools are Muslim too and that's the problem

 

[Indiandog]

More on Martyrs as per Islam

Different type of martyrs
In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Other than the believer who is killed by the disbelievers in a battlefield when defending or furthering the Cause of Islam.the Messenger of Allah (saws) also included several other forms and types of deaths amongst the rank of martyrs or shaheeds:

Abu Hurairah reported that Allah's Messenger (saws) said:"He who is killed fighting for Allah's Cause is a martyr, he who dies in the Cause of Allah is a martyr, he who dies in an epidemic is a martyr, he who dies from a stomach disease is a martyr, and the one who dies of drowning is (also) a martyr."
Narrated by Muslim.

 

[Indiandog]

Fools are Muslim too and that's the problem

Yes muslims are fools when did i say they are not

but to say they are the problem and ignore the others is another foolish statement.

 

[Indiandog]

In answer to your question ID



Condemnation is one thing. But then making excuses for someone who pulls out the victim card, and is the cheif spokesperson of that religion in Australia, just makes them look hypocritical.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...letting-trying-explain-Australian-people.html



I've got family members that are Muslims.

It's hard to argue with this though:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...lent_events_by_death_ toll#Terrorist_attacks
List of terrorist attacks dating back to 1910. Note that up until the year 2000, there were a number of other parties at work alongside jihadism. However from 2000 onwards (so last 15 years), Jihadism has been attributed to almost every terrorist attack since.

That's not just 1 or 2 radicals, that's a hell of a lot of misintepretation of a holy book.

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015
List of terrorist incidents JUST in 2015.

Note the religions associated to those attacks (just in 2015).

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
List of Islamic terrorist attacks.
Note the number in 1980s / 1990s, and then the HUGE amount more in 2000s and 2010s.


...
...

Pretty damning evidence/sources that surely there can't be THAT many people misreading the scriptures.

As dumb as it sounds, perhaps the best way (to avoid negative stigmata), is for those peaceful followers of a set part of the religion, to rename it (and as such distance themselves from the radicals completely).

read my other posts regarding interpretation of the verses by 0.003% of the community,

but great point about terrorist attacks post sept 11...again chose to ignore where the majority of these terrorist attacks actually happened.

in response to your this point Mehdi Hasan has this to say

[video=youtube;-X_lBovik_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X_lBovik_w[/video]

 

[Indiandog]

thanks boxer I didn't know all that ,so if its no longer valid in this day n age ,it needs to be removed from your book as its too open for interpretation and it's clearly what the terrorists are preaching.

im talking as a concerned person not one who wants to hate anyone..

Wolfy with due respect, i apologize if i disrespected you in anyway, please forgive me.

you know we share the same level of love for Mick Ennis ... dont you ever forget that!

and to the comment highlighted i have one thing to say "Afghan Jihad"

thank you and good night.

 

[Mr Invisible]

read my other posts regarding interpretation of the verses by 0.003% of the community,

but great point about terrorist attacks post sept 11...again chose to ignore where the majority of these terrorist attacks actually happened.

in response to your this point Mehdi Hasan has this to say

Missed the point. Doesn't matter where they happened, only what religion was responsible behind the incident.

And THAT, is what proves a contentious point.

Either there are a hell of a lot of radicals worldwide misconstruing the word of the holy book

OR

There are people out there following the same book to the letter, whilst commoners choose to ignore aspects of it.

You can't have that many attacks from a single religion and state "it's not our religion", because fact proves otherwise.

At the end of the day, it's all bloody stupid anyway. People fighting over whose ficticious figure of worship is better. But it's a persons right to believe what they want... Just don't bring the innocent into those battles.

For me, until science proves the existence of that God, it's nothing more than ancient fictional stories.

 

[The DoggFather]

Fools are Muslim too and that's the problem

Humans are fools, that's the bigger problem.

 

[Indiandog]

Missed the point. Doesn't matter where they happened, only what religion was responsible behind the incident.

And THAT, is what proves a contentious point.

Either there are a hell of a lot of radicals worldwide misconstruing the word of the holy book

OR

There are people out there following the same book to the letter, whilst commoners choose to ignore aspects of it.

You can't have that many attacks from a single religion and state "it's not our religion", because fact proves otherwise.

At the end of the day, it's all bloody stupid anyway. People fighting over whose ficticious figure of worship is better. But it's a persons right to believe what they want... Just don't bring the innocent into those battles.

For me, until science proves the existence of that God, it's nothing more than ancient fictional stories.

The fact still remains if 0.003% of a community commits a crime you dont paint the whole community with the same brush.

If I want to make chicken tikka masala and I cant read the procedure correctly and keep making the same mistake over and over again and end up absolutely killing the dish..... you cant blame the procedure outlined to make the chicken tikka masala cos millions of other people are making it right without any problem at all.


It is YOU who are not following it or understanding it as the chef wants you to.

 

[Blue&White]

The fact still remains if 0.003% of a community commits a crime you dont paint the whole community with the same brush.

If I want to make chicken tikka masala and I cant read the procedure correctly and keep making the same mistake over and over again and end up absolutely killing the dish..... you cant blame the procedure outlined to make the chicken tikka masala cos millions of other people are making it right without any problem at all.


It is YOU who are not following it or understanding it as the chef wants you to.

Does the same theory apply to beef vindaloo? Lol

 

[Boxer]

thanks boxer I didn't know all that ,so if its no longer valid in this day n age ,it needs to be removed from your book as its too open for interpretation and it's clearly what the terrorists are preaching.

im talking as a concerned person not one who wants to hate anyone..

No need to remove anything its there and would always stay . I know what you mean but it can't happen ,