Middle East

[w00t]

Nazis treated Muslims or Jews? Because as I’m sure you’ve done your history a lot of the Muslims were allied with hitler in seeking out and killing Jews.

Well probably worded that incredibly wrong. But the Jews are treating the Muslims the same way the Nazis treated the Jews. Not saying that Muslims are completely innocent or that they haven't done their fair share of horrors (You'd be hard pressed to find a single nation, religion, or group of people that haven't).

It's always a dangerous philosophy when the whole identity of your nation is that you are the "chosen" people, and that alone gives you the right to treat those you consider inferior to you however you want. Nazi's had this ideology with the Aryan race and the Jews have it as the basis of their entire religion.

What really astounds me the most is that given they suffered so harshly from a bunch of psychopaths that they are willingly doing exactly this to another group.

 

[Realist90]

Well probably worded that incredibly wrong. But the Jews are treating the Muslims the same way the Nazis treated the Jews. Not saying that Muslims are completely innocent or that they haven't done their fair share of horrors (You'd be hard pressed to find a single nation, religion, or group of people that haven't).

It's always a dangerous philosophy when the whole identity of your nation is that you are the "chosen" people, and that alone gives you the right to treat those you consider inferior to you however you want. Nazi's had this ideology with the Aryan race and the Jews have it as the basis of their entire religion.

What really astounds me the most is that given they suffered so harshly from a bunch of psychopaths that they are willingly doing exactly this to another group.

Ahk thought so. Lol
Yeah we’ll see that’s the thing, there’s never really a real “victim” in this war because all sides see themselves superior, it’s just one becomes a victim coz they aren’t as good as the other side in carrying out their tactics. There are plenty of arabs, blacks, Japanese, etc who have the whole superior race thing, it isn’t just whites. And yeah Jews do believe they are Gods chosen people and if we go by the Old Testament then they are. Although some are definitely going about it the wrong way. But some are just for a all Jewish country. I mean not every country has to be multicultural or accepting of other races right? Every country has a right to be their own country. And when two sides in Muslims vs Jews both of whom claim that they’re Gods chosen people, there’ll never be rest between them until there’s a “winner”

 

[Realist90]

That there's some grand conspiracy of cultural marxism when they are so far from providing evidence of it.

It's an Alex Jones nut job belief, a nut job belief that peterson and Shapiro share.

Conspiracy? Lol ain’t no conspiracy that cultural Marxism is infecting every fkn avenue of life. Bro no matter what evidence is given to you, you’ll always disregard because you don’t wanna believe anything that isn’t for your own agenda lol.

 

[CaptainJackson]

Conspiracy? Lol ain’t no conspiracy that cultural Marxism is infecting every fkn avenue of life. Bro no matter what evidence is given to you, you’ll always disregard because you don’t wanna believe anything that isn’t for your own agenda lol.

Cultural marxism isn't a conspiracy theory??

LMFAO

 

[Realist90]

Cultural marxism isn't a conspiracy theory??

LMFAO

I don’t see how it’s funny tbh.

 

[SoulCrusher]

No does it concern you that those three share the same views and opinion and in some cases use the exact same reasoning

This is a silly argument. I assume that you aren't bothered that you and/or your favourite political commentators have similar opinions to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavez etc. on a range of issues from hereditary class systems and monarchies all the way down to the utility of breathing air.

There are so many legitimate criticisms of Peterson, Shapiro and the rest of the "idw" that I cant see why you need to resort to trying to associate them with David Icke.

Conspiracy? Lol ain’t no conspiracy that cultural Marxism is infecting every fkn avenue of life. Bro no matter what evidence is given to you, you’ll always disregard because you don’t wanna believe anything that isn’t for your own agenda lol.

Bro "cultural marxism" is such a red herring. The average blm looter, pink haired man hater or gay pride marcher hasn't read a word of obscure 20th century jewish german political doctrine. You dont need to. They are animated by much simpler impulses; tribalism and self-interest.

 

[CaptainJackson]

This is a silly argument. I assume that you aren't bothered that you and/or your favourite political commentators have similar opinions to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavez etc. on a range of issues from hereditary class systems and monarchies all the way down to the utility of breathing air.

There are so many legitimate criticisms of Peterson, Shapiro and the rest of the "idw" that I cant see why you need to resort to trying to associate them with David Icke

Thats wonderful but I didn't compare them to David icke, I compared them to Alex Jones.

David icke is just an out there lizard man. Alex Jones has great cross over with the likes of Shapiro and peterson and to a degree is defended by the likes of Shapiro and peterson. I have no such defence of the uglier beliefs of Stalin etc so your "like for like" comparison is moot.

Bro "cultural marxism" is such a red herring. The average blm looter, pink haired man hater or gay pride marcher hasn't read a word of obscure 20th century jewish german political doctrine. You dont need to. They are animated by much simpler impulses; tribalism and self-interest.

Fucking LMFAO

 

[SoulCrusher]

Thats wonderful but I didn't compare them to David icke, I compared them to Alex Jones.

David icke is just an out there lizard man. Alex Jones has great cross over with the likes of Shapiro and peterson and to a degree is defended by the likes of Shapiro and peterson. I have no such defence of the uglier beliefs of Stalin etc so your "like for like" comparison is moot.



Fucking LMFAO

And I dont recall Shapiro or Peterson defending Alex Jones at all let alone his "uglier" beliefs either, so what was the point of your very gay and lazy attempt to associate them with Alex Jones.

For the record I dont care for Canadian Kermit and detest little ben, your criticisms of them are just big gay.

 

[Realist90]

And I dont recall Shapiro or Peterson defending Alex Jones at all let alone his "uglier" beliefs either, so what was the point of your very gay and lazy attempt to associate them with Alex Jones.

For the record I dont care for Canadian Kermit and detest little ben, your criticisms of them are just big gay.

That’s why I was so confused how he brought those three up in the same sentence. They literally are polar opposites

 

[CaptainJackson]

And I dont recall Shapiro or Peterson defending Alex Jones at all let alone his "uglier" beliefs either, so what was the point of your very gay and lazy attempt to associate them with Alex Jones.

For the record I dont care for Canadian Kermit and detest little ben, your criticisms of them are just big gay.

Cultural marxism, which is exactly why I laughed at your attempts to dismiss it.

All 3 of them have or still do promote cultural marxism as some grand conspiracy.

So yes, hell yes, the three have defended each others beliefs by defending a belief in cultural marxism conspiracies

 

[SoulCrusher]

That’s why I was so confused how he brought those three up in the same sentence. They literally are polar opposites

Yeah Peterson and Shapiro like to present themselves as free speech champions, but they didnt say a word when Alex Jones got kicked off the internet and had every financial institution deny him service.
They also aren't nearly as alpha as AJ.

Cultural marxism, which is exactly why I laughed at your attempts to dismiss it.

All 3 of them have or still do promote cultural marxism as some grand conspiracy.

So yes, hell yes, the three have defended each others beliefs by defending a belief in cultural marxism conspiracies

Cult marx conspiracy is Jones' "uglier" beliefs? You were saying my comparison was invalid because you don't defend Stalin and company's uglier beliefs.

So, logically either AJ's ugliest belief is the cultural marxism stuff or my comparison was valid.

You keep trying to move the goal posts. You wouldn't resort to that if you actually had a good argument to make.

 

[Realist90]

Yeah Peterson and Shapiro like to present themselves as free speech champions, but they didnt say a word when Alex Jones got kicked off the internet and had every financial institution deny him service.
They also aren't nearly as alpha as AJ.

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Cult marx conspiracy is Jones' "uglier" beliefs? You were saying my comparison was invalid because you don't defend Stalin and company's uglier beliefs.

So, logically either AJ's ugliest belief is the cultural marxism stuff or my comparison was valid.

You keep trying to move the goal posts. You wouldn't resort to that if you actually had a good argument to make.

Lol fk he’s funny AJ. Shapiro I don’t even watch bro, I did used to but he’s thrown conservatives under the bus too many times. Peterson I haven’t watched since the q&a in Australia but he is a smart ****

 

[CaptainJackson]

Yeah Peterson and Shapiro like to present themselves as free speech champions, but they didnt say a word when Alex Jones got kicked off the internet and had every financial institution deny him service.
They also aren't nearly as alpha as AJ.

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Cult marx conspiracy is Jones' "uglier" beliefs? You were saying my comparison was invalid because you don't defend Stalin and company's uglier beliefs.

So, logically either AJ's ugliest belief is the cultural marxism stuff or my comparison was valid.

You keep trying to move the goal posts. You wouldn't resort to that if you actually had a good argument to make.

AJ may have uglier beliefs/statements than the cultural marxism conspiracies, however to suggest that the cultural marxism conspiracy isn't an ugly belief? Is this now your stance? Really it's not an ugly belief?

Well there's no point continuing this on if you don't see it as an ugly belief (because its a disgusting, racist bullshit conspiracy theory)

 

[Realist90]

AJ may have uglier beliefs/statements than the cultural marxism conspiracies, however to suggest that the cultural marxism conspiracy isn't an ugly belief? Is this now your stance? Really it's not an ugly belief?

Well there's no point continuing this on if you don't see it as an ugly belief

You’re actually quite bigoted.

 

[CaptainJackson]

You’re actually quite bigoted.

Yep very bigoted against bigots

 

[Realist90]

Yep very bigoted against bigots

That’s still bigoted though lol. That’s the fact in this context. Others being bigoted is just your opinion. To them they aren’t bigoted. But you actually are being bigoted. Do you see the difference? I’ve gone big brain on you so keep up

 

[SoulCrusher]

AJ may have uglier beliefs/statements than the cultural marxism conspiracies, however to suggest that the cultural marxism conspiracy isn't an ugly belief? Is this now your stance? Really it's not an ugly belief?

Well there's no point continuing this on if you don't see it as an ugly belief

If you read back, you'll see I made no comment on whether or not it was an ugly belief.
You said that my comparison was invalid because you dont defend Stalin et. al's "uglier" beliefs. So either cult marx is among AJ's "uglier" beliefs or my comparison is valid.

So which is it?

You have not just moved the goalposts, but now you've attempted to give yourself an out with the "Well there's no point continuing this on if you don't see it as an ugly belief" line. Thats the internet equivilent of a white flag.

 

[EzyB]

That’s still bigoted though lol. That’s the fact in this context. Others being bigoted is just your opinion. To them they aren’t bigoted. But you actually are being bigoted. Do you see the difference? I’ve gone big brain on you so keep up

Fucking lol and your not?

 

[CaptainJackson]

That’s still bigoted though lol. That’s the fact in this context. Others being bigoted is just your opinion. To them they aren’t bigoted. But you actually are being bigoted. Do you see the difference? I’ve gone big brain on you so keep up

So tell me again how you're tolerant of same sex marriage laws (which have nothing to do with you), transgender people (which have nothing to do with you)??

It's called paradox of tolerance, you've been introduced to the idea multiple times on this forum

 

[CaptainJackson]

If you read back, you'll see I made no comment on whether or not it was an ugly belief.
You said that my comparison was invalid because you dont defend Stalin et. al's "uglier" beliefs. So either cult marx is among AJ's "uglier" beliefs or my comparison is valid.

So which is it?

You have not just moved the goalposts, but now you've attempted to give yourself an out with the "Well there's no point continuing this on if you don't see it as an ugly belief" line. Thats the internet equivilent of a white flag.

No, we don't play your game of strict, narrow definitions to try and corner someone into a logical fallacy. How about you be honest of the context of the discussion.

You made the assertion that you could argue my beliefs crossover with Stalin and co, I frankly didn't argue the point but gave you leeway in that there would be certain aspects of crossover in some ideas but not all. I reiterated that the ugly (or uglier) side of their beliefs, I did not share. Of course we could go into much more in depth detail of that but basically you tried to corner the debate into Bernie sanders (democratic socialism) and Stalin (communism) are the same (some ideas may crossover but a lot of the undesirable, "uglier" ones don't)

Now you're going the PEDANTIC route, in a DISHONEST attempt to corner a logical fallacy.

Cultural marxism derives from a concept of "white replacement theory" and a worldwide Jewish cabal running an international espionage ring to bring down western societies.

By all means, you can view that as not being an "uglier" belief and me attempting to "move goalposts", however I very much doubt it is me moving goalposts.

But nonetheless cultural maxism (or aspects of the cultural marxist conspiracy theory) has been promoted/shared by Alex jones, by Ben Shapiro, and by Jordan peterson.

To this date I haven't shared gulags, death camps, internment camps, throwing people from helicopters etc