Mason's boxing fight and the salery cap

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I really hope the NRL makes the Roosters include Mason's fight earnings under their salery cap othewise it will open up a whole can of worms. Imagine if they didnt. We could re-sign SBW on a $200k deal, make a deal with a boxing promoter to let him fight, or even a rowing race organiser or any other sport to make up the difference. We could even sign multiple players on smaller contracts and let them fight each other. Imagine SBW v Maitua. If the Roosters set a precedent here other clubs are going to try and do similar things. It's not like Mason's fight is for charity, he is set to earn $100k+.

We could even sign Hazem on a $50k deal and let him be a jockey to make up the balance.
 

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The bean counters are so creative they should be handed the No.7

THE NRL salary cap, rather than creating a level playing field, is being manipulated by clubs to produce a surface like a country paddock where one team runs uphill in the first half and downhill in the second. Or the reverse.

Back- and front-loading of players' contracts means clubs have some years when they face salary cap fines and others when they are talent poor and cash rich.

How else do you explain the Roosters saving $1.6 million by jettisoning players in 2007, yet having to trim their roster even more to fund a three-year, back-loaded contract for Willie Mason?

Mason's former club, Canterbury, with $1 million to spend but no top players to buy, face an uphill battle in 2008 but can make a downhill run at the premiership the following year, particularly with the Storm's Israel Folau and Parramatta's Jarryd Hayne coming off contract.

The salary cap is creating some crazy economics. The Dragons dumped back-rower Corey Payne because his sign-on fee of $180,000, plus the $2000 he received from each of 18 first-grade games, meant he would have been listed on the St George Illawarra roster at more than $200,000.

Payne transferred to Wests Tigers, who don't have to count the incentive payments. He will be listed at $50,000, and Wests Tigers will back-load the contract of the 23-year-old, meaning the club will make a short-term gain for some long-term financial pain.

Payne, studying for a commerce/accountancy degree, obviously understands the creative mathematics of leaving a club where he would earn $200,000 for another where he receives $50,000.

The Dragons can't be accused of financial mismanagement of their cap because injuries meant many marginal players earned top match fees in 2007.

Rangi Chase, a five-eighth the Dragons bought from Wests Tigers, was on a small sign-on fee in 2007 but the pre-season injury to Mark Gasnier meant he earned big money in incentives and will occupy significant salary-cap space next season.

The Roosters are seeking to offload winger John Williams, purchased last year from Parramatta, to find more room for Mason. Williams has been targeted, not for lack of skill, but because his 2007 sign-on of $50,000 will more than double next year.

Roosters fans are perplexed how a $700,000 mid-season clean-out of players, including Chris Flannery to England's Super League and three halves to NRL clubs, hasn't created more salary-cap space.

The Bondi Junction bean counters had another purge at the end of the season, saving $900,000 on the exit of Craig Wing (Souths) and others, such as Joel Monaghan (Canberra), Heath L'Estrange (Manly) and Charlie Tonga (Huddersfield).

Asked where the $1.6 million went, Roosters chairman Nick Politis correctly pointed to the purchase of Bulldogs prop Mark O'Meley ($400,000) and hooker/half James Aubusson ($150,000) from Melbourne. OK, but there's still a missing $1 million, ignoring the $200,000 increase in the cap in 2008 and the recent $250,000 saving with Ashley Harrison's transfer to the Gold Coast.

"A few players got upgraded," Politis conceded, partly explaining the $1m "black hole".

True, promising half Mitchell Pearce jumped from $70,000 to more than $200,000 but it seems a few contracts, such as Braith Anasta's, were back-loaded as well. The Roosters cycle is set to be repeated, with Mason's big money coming in the latter years of his contract.

Not all the monies recouped from jettisoning players is saved from the salary cap. When a club takes over a player's contract it is usually at a discount, meaning some of the sign-on fee is absorbed and therefore counted in the cap of the club which released him.

In other words, some of the Roosters $1 million "black hole" includes residual payments for players who have been moved on.

The Bulldogs won't waste money saved on O'Meley, Mason and half Brett Sherwin but can front-load Sonny Bill Williams's contract, paying him some of his 2009 money in 2008 to have a big bank to raid other clubs.

Penalties for cheating on the salary cap means all clubs now abide by it, but the practice of rolling payments bids up the price of all players. Clubs spend on available talent to the $4 million limit, but when a player they can't afford comes on the market, they back-load and off-load, allowing the club which released him to front-load, upgrade and splurge.
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`G`;1085467[B said:
The Bulldogs won't waste money saved on O'Meley, Mason and half Brett Sherwin but can front-load Sonny Bill Williams's contract, paying him some of his 2009 money in 2008 to have a big bank to raid other clubs.[/B]
That is ****ing awesome news! Means we will have even MORE to spend in the future, cause we arent using up all our cap this year!
 

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Good see were being smart, if were topping up SBW contract now, dosnt it seem more likly we are after a big name player like falou or hayne in 09?
 

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I really hope the NRL makes the Roosters include Mason's fight earnings under their salery cap othewise it will open up a whole can of worms. Imagine if they didnt. We could re-sign SBW on a $200k deal, make a deal with a boxing promoter to let him fight, or even a rowing race organiser or any other sport to make up the difference. We could even sign multiple players on smaller contracts and let them fight each other. Imagine SBW v Maitua. If the Roosters set a precedent here other clubs are going to try and do similar things. It's not like Mason's fight is for charity, he is set to earn $100k+.

We could even sign Hazem on a $50k deal and let him be a jockey to make up the balance.
hmm didn't think of it that way
they're bending the rules aren't they
 

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I heard something like....

To fit mase under the cap, he will get half of les' earnings slid under the table..

Roosters will get caught eventually
 

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I heard something like....

To fit mase under the cap, he will get half of les' earnings slid under the table..

Roosters will get caught eventually
I doubt it. Politis' net worth is $120+ million. Money talks, they wont get caught.
 

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Its a joke

The whole is your brother employed is another scam altogther, pay Les to be "head pf security" for say 400k

Mason and Les work something out

The cap is so screwed its not funny
 

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The Bulldogs won't waste money saved on O'Meley, Mason and half Brett Sherwin but can front-load Sonny Bill Williams's contract, paying him some of his 2009 money in 2008 to have a big bank to raid other clubs.
How much "front loading" can they do

As it stands we can offically pay him 2 seasons worth
 

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How much "front loading" can they do

As it stands we can offically pay him 2 seasons worth
He's on approx 500k a season so that's a fair bit. We should be very cashed up next season and either be able to sign up all the best juniors running around or some top notch players.
 

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Sonny is nowhere near 500k it is much closer to 400 k then he gets more from sponsors
 

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Sonny is nowhere near 500k it is much closer to 400 k then he gets more from sponsors
That's still alot of money. You can sign 2 decent players for that much
 
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