Opinion Kotoa vs Holland

[Tassie Devil]

Now please you are not serious Pay that Holland is a better hooker than Kotoa. Stop picking your little buddies and pick players who deserve to be there and would improve the team! Give him a go!!!

Can see some type of thinking in much of what Pay is doing, whether I agree with it is a different matter.

But that one thing that I really don't get is the fact he's yet to have Katoa play any minutes at all this year. It makes absolutely no sense especially considering he's the only recognised hooker at the club, and we bought him in the summer to fill that role. I'm baffled as to why he hasn't at the very least been on the bench so far.

Surely there must be something going on behind the scenes for him not to be even getting a few mins as there's absolutely no rational argument to explain why he hasn't yet. A rushed and perhaps panicked decision by the club to get him, and makes you really question the thought process behind bringing him in.

 

[Nasheed]

maybe he isnt match fit as well as the flu thing.

 

[Grimace]

Fluent in attack,better passing are u fuckin serious?,which game were u watching.

We need to score points what did he do in attack any person can pass the ball, you must be a Holland love child Bullanth!!

 

[flamebouyant]

Now please you are not serious Pay that Holland is a better hooker than Kotoa. Stop picking your little buddies and pick players who deserve to be there and would improve the team! Give him a go!!!

He is not a better hooked, but he can play any position in the backing. Katoa can't.

 

[B-Train]

Can see some type of thinking in much of what Pay is doing, whether I agree with it is a different matter.

But that one thing that I really don't get is the fact he's yet to have Katoa play any minutes at all this year. It makes absolutely no sense especially considering he's the only recognised hooker at the club, and we bought him in the summer to fill that role. I'm baffled as to why he hasn't at the very least been on the bench so far.

Surely there must be something going on behind the scenes for him not to be even getting a few mins as there's absolutely no rational argument to explain why he hasn't yet. A rushed and perhaps panicked decision by the club to get him, and makes you really question the thought process behind bringing him in.

Sorry Steve but I'm so sick of the "surely there must be something going on we don't see at training" narrative as if Pay deserves the benefit of the doubt or has proven he knows what he's doing..

People said the same about Wakeham not being in the team but it wasn't true. It was just that Pay had a never ending hard on for Lewis and being stubborn as fuck.

Likewise with JMK. Pay thinks he's Damien Cook and refuses to play anyone else. Likewise Renouf. He's been our most impactful prop for two seasons yet he never gets minutes.

There's nothing more to it than Pay has no idea and he is a stubborn, conservative coach who has his favourites and sticks with them no matter how bad they're performing.

 

[TOTTO]

Play Kotoa we have nothing to loose lol.

 

[B-Train]

maybe he isnt match fit as well as the flu thing.

None of the squad are match fit. Not even those who have played all season.

The flu jab thing isn't an issue as Fonnua-Blake, Papalli etc have all been playing after they took the same stance. I believe it's only an issue for games in QLD.

 

[Tassie Devil]

Sorry Steve but I'm so sick of the "surely there must be something going on we don't see at training" narrative as if Pay deserves the benefit of the doubt or has proven he knows what he's doing..

People said the same about Wakeham not being in the team but it wasn't true. It was just Pay had a never ending hard on for Lewis and being stubborn as fuck.

Likewise with JMK. Pay thinks he's Damien Cook and refuses to play anyone elae. Likewise Renouf. He's been our most impactful prop for two seasons yet he never gets minutes.

There's nothing more to it than Pay has no idea and he is a stubborn, conservative coach who has his favourites and sticks with them no matter how bad they're performing.

Agree in regards to the "surely there must be something going on we don't see at training" narrative but there's no other explanation.

And that isn't an excuse of Pay or the board. In fact, that being the case it makes them both look like muppets for making such a rash signing and the apparently realising there's something wrong with his attitude or whatever.

Which is why I don't understand the complete baffoonery of not at least giving him some minutes to prove himself. It makes absolutely no sense not to play him. You say he's being stubborn? Honestly, think that's a part of it without doubt. I really don't like Pay as our coach, but try my best to understand different decisions he makes no matter how stupid they seem to me.

The one that makes absolutely no sense in the slightest is Katoa not getting any minutes. Makes no sense at all.

 

[B-Train]

Agree in regards to the "surely there must be something going on we don't see at training" narrative but there's no other explanation.

And that isn't an excuse of Pay or the board. In fact, that being the case it makes them both look like muppets for making such a rash signing and the apparently realising there's something wrong with his attitude or whatever.

Which is why I don't understand the complete baffoonery of not at least giving him some minutes to prove himself. It makes absolutely no sense not to play him. You say he's being stubborn? Honestly, think that's a part of it without doubt. I really don't like Pay as our coach, but try my best to understand different decisions he makes no matter how stupid they seem to me.

The one that makes absolutely no sense in the slightest is Katoa not getting any minutes. Makes no sense at all.

Yeah it makes zero sense. Katoa is an average player and was an average signing but he's the only established hooker in the squad and I have no idea why he wouldn't at least get a bench spot and an opportunity.

If Pay thought he was so useless, that a Reserve Grade centre plays bench hooker ahead of him, then why did he sign him in the first place?

Like you said, either way you look at it, it doesn't reflect well on Pay or the club.

 

[Phalangist]

I don't have Holland love, it's just my observation he is more versatile as a benchie than just a pure hooker.

That’s silly thing to say

unless you want jmk dropped?


Both our hookers yesterday are make shift hookers who are both shit.
Katoa should be playing Atleast for a month to see if he offers more

 

[SweetFA]

Can see some type of thinking in much of what Pay is doing, whether I agree with it is a different matter.

But that one thing that I really don't get is the fact he's yet to have Katoa play any minutes at all this year. It makes absolutely no sense especially considering he's the only recognised hooker at the club, and we bought him in the summer to fill that role. I'm baffled as to why he hasn't at the very least been on the bench so far.

Surely there must be something going on behind the scenes for him not to be even getting a few mins as there's absolutely no rational argument to explain why he hasn't yet. A rushed and perhaps panicked decision by the club to get him, and makes you really question the thought process behind bringing him in.

It’s really quite straightforward, Katoa is terrible . Unfortunately it’s difficult to get to training sessions to you see for yourself. If think JMK’s dummy half service is poor Katoa makes him look like Cam Smith. He’s NSW Cup rake at best. It’s the reason Holland & Cogger have also been tried there.
Remember also he was a panic buy when we missed out on Koroisau.

 

[B-Train]

It’s really quite straightforward, Katoa is terrible . Unfortunately it’s difficult to get to training sessions to you see for yourself. If think JMK’s dummy half service is poor Katoa makes him look like Cam Smith. He’s NSW Cup rake at best. It’s the reason Holland & Cogger have also been tried there.
Remember also he was a panic buy when we missed out on Koroisau.

Then they shouldn't have signed him. Another squad spot wasted on someone who doesn't even play.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Then they shouldn't have signed him. Another squad spot wasted on someone who doesn't even play.

Should've signed Brittain...would've been on minimum wage and is better than all our hooking options.

 

[Tassie Devil]

Then they shouldn't have signed him. Another squad spot wasted on someone who doesn't even play.

Exactly. No matter which way you look at it the club and Pay look like chumps for the signing of Katoa.

Happy to support both in other areas which I do, but in this instance they really dropped the ball. No one can present to me a good argument as to why Katoa hasn't played any minutes this year that wouldn't lead me to questioning our coach's and/or board competance. Whether we ran out of options and simply panicked the buy, it doesn't really matter.

The board made the signing, and Pay hasn't at least given the guy the opportunity to show what he has or doesn't have. If he has an attitude problem then why did we sign him?

 

[Tassie Devil]

It’s really quite straightforward, Katoa is terrible . Unfortunately it’s difficult to get to training sessions to you see for yourself. If think JMK’s dummy half service is poor Katoa makes him look like Cam Smith. He’s NSW Cup rake at best. It’s the reason Holland & Cogger have also been tried there.
Remember also he was a panic buy when we missed out on Koroisau.

As @btrainben said. Then why buy him? It's not like he's had an opportunity to show his worth at the club. Makes absolutely no sense to sign a player then play two other players in front of him that aren't even specialists in that position. It's plain stupid.

 

[B-Train]

Should've signed Brittain...would've been on minimum wage and is better than all our hooking options.

Yeah he's not great but better than Katoa. Havilli or Starling would have been decent budget short term options also. Or Kenny from Penrith.

 

[wendog33]

It’s really quite straightforward, Katoa is terrible . Unfortunately it’s difficult to get to training sessions to you see for yourself. If think JMK’s dummy half service is poor Katoa makes him look like Cam Smith. He’s NSW Cup rake at best. It’s the reason Holland & Cogger have also been tried there.
Remember also he was a panic buy when we missed out on Koroisau.

And all this is so obvious at training and its been determined he cant play fg and Holland a better dummy half?

Katoa played well for Tonga.

It seems crazy to buy a guy for $130k? and not try them out at least when we have such poor dummy half service.

Just add this dumbness of funds spent against our sc as well then.

 

[craigo]

How can anyone judge Katoa if we haven’t even seen him play. He could be shit

 

[Grimace]

How can anyone judge Katoa if we haven’t even seen him play. He could be shit

He can't be worse than what we have already tried!!

 

[Bulldogsteve]

Yeah it makes zero sense. Katoa is an average player and was an average signing but he's the only established hooker in the squad and I have no idea why he wouldn't at least get a bench spot and an opportunity.

If Pay thought he was so useless, that a Reserve Grade centre plays bench hooker ahead of him, then why did he sign him in the first place?

Like you said, either way you look at it, it doesn't reflect well on Pay or the club.

we can only assume he was purely bought for depth otherwise he would have been played. Holland is there if a back gets injured as we dont have any backrowers that can fill in at centre.