Des ball starting to catch up with them. Manly/Blacktown are way below the pace. If Manly cop a few injuries next year will have very few nrl standard potential players to bring in. If Manly are a bottom 4 side consistently will be an interesting one as they have a very different corporate structure. How will the private owner feel about losing sponsers revenue etc. saying that turbo will probably be fine, they will have no injuries all year like Penrith the last couple of years and be fine, keep stealing the tigers best players and all will be well.