Ivan Cleary - Will he go down as the best NRL coaches ever?

[Nasheed]

Nasheed here,
He is a very very good coach / always has been.
But he has players like yayo, Crichten, Cleary, Luai, Fisher, leniu, Garner at his disposal.
The test will be next year when they further lose players they haven’t replaced.
He goes 4 in a row he’s won me over

 

[Chrisaaar]

I pray laundy gives Ivan and his son a pub each to join us

 

[SexBomb]

Gus Gould winning in his first year, then going to another club and winning there, then going to Origin and repeated wins there also waves hi.

 

[Ewan McGrady]

Each year they have players leave and each year they win. Take Kiks and Api out and still win it…. He’s up there for sure. Bennnet and Bellamy both had once in a generation players. Ivan has to be up there.

 

[Bad Billy]

Hard to say.
he has a pretty rad team at his disposal. they were even winning when hook was coaching them.
Need more data.

 

[Dannyboi88]

They have lost a few good players and still managed to win 3 straight and had there assistants poached year after year and they just jog on Ivan hasn’t changed the way he approaches it and yeah he has nathan Cleary who wants to play and win for his dad who wouldn’t I think Ivan’s a good coach top tier atm but if the panthers can win 1-2 more premiership he has to be in the convo but like it or not he is the first coach in the nrl era to win 3 in a row

 

[GA45]

I think the results tell the story. The fact that the Panthers continually unearth quality talent certainly helps his cause, but Bennett had all of Queensland when he was coaching the broncos, and still didn't make 4 straight grand finals.
A lot of the credit needs to go to tha immense talent he has at his disposal, but every year when the team has been picked apart, they seem to rise to another level. I thing that there is surely no disputing he is a great coach. If this penrif juggernaut continues to dominate in years to come, and he coaches them for another 10+ years then I have no doubt he will go down as the best coach we have seen.

His spine and Props have been the same for all 4 GF appearances though haven’t they?
I think Penrith can make the next 4 GF’s in a row with the way they play and the core locked up. Injuries the only thing preventing it if they do I think Ivan will stand alone at the top and he’s already in the top 5 conversation.

 

[NPC83]

His spine and Props have been the same for all 4 GF appearances though haven’t they?
I think Penrith can make the next 4 GF’s in a row with the way they play and the core locked up. Injuries the only thing preventing it if they do I think Ivan will stand alone at the top and he’s already in the top 5 conversation.

Yeah except for Api. The stability definitely helps.

 

[Wahesh]

Nope. He did SFA at the Tigers, and they're still wooden spooners. Poor club can't catch a break.

 

[Flanagun]

Everyone talks about his failure at the Tigers.... the Tigers are a basket case. Bennett flopped at a slightly less hopeless club in Newcastle. Nobody talks about the fact Cleary led the Warriors to a grand final, either.

Not the GOAT, obviously, but a very good coach.

 

[Mr 95%]

Everyone talks about his failure at the Tigers.... the Tigers are a basket case. Bennett flopped at a slightly less hopeless club in Newcastle. Nobody talks about the fact Cleary led the Warriors to a grand final, either.

Not the GOAT, obviously, but a very good coach.

Agee, baby!

 

[Scoooby]

Old man Bennet is still the GOAT for mine. Has been for a very long time.

 

[Mr 95%]

Old man Bennet is still the GOAT for mine. Has been for a very long time

Although Scoobs he has had some great players with him that has given him such success..but he has been around for a longtime and success has followed him. However, for me it’s gotta be Craig Bellamy because he has the ability to consistently makes players better. I think that is key, and why I think he is the greatest.

 

[HD and Ink]

I'm divided as well but the 3pete is something not done by others so that goes some ways. Then can he at this point move to another club and make them finalists ?

I think he'd easily attract talent but he has a huge nursery out that way, and lost Api and Kik and no dramas we fill those spots and win another one.

 

[Indiandog]

Everyone talks about his failure at the Tigers.... the Tigers are a basket case. Bennett flopped at a slightly less hopeless club in Newcastle. Nobody talks about the fact Cleary led the Warriors to a grand final, either.

Not the GOAT, obviously, but a very good coach.

If he was at Penrith not Tigers at that time, he would have bought Mbye and Reynolds on big money over there too.

 

[Flanagun]

If he was at Penrith not Tigers at that time, he would have bought Mbye and Reynolds on big money over there too.

JR could have been a decent pick up. Cleary didn’t know how injury plagued his time at the club would be.

Bellamy once signed Sam Kasiano and tried to make him a better player by turning him into a beanpole. You writing him off too?

 

[soc123_au]

Bellamy & Gus I have in the GOAT class

Ivan a rung below at this stage, if he can keep us top 4 for the next 5 or 6 years then he is alongside Bellamy, extra premierships gets him ahead. Cant bench him against Gus, will never get the chance to have the same rep opportunities. Took Warriors to a GF, and also only missed finals twice, once because of points deduction for a cap breach and the other the year Sonny Fai died. Tiges to ninth with Brooks getting HB of the year, the dud signings have been a Tigers thing well before Ivan and have continued since, so can't take much from that. I think people underestimate how truly shit we were when he arrived for stint one. Got us to a prelim in year 3 off the back of players he developed plus Soward & Merrin, all with a horrific injury toll. Sent for a nap after missing the finals with an even more horrific injury toll. Stint 2 speaks for itself.

Skeletor is a bit of a myth. Obviously can coach, but has been kissed on the dick by a fairy with the tool set he was handed. Still pretty much let the GOAT Storm team slip through his grasp and go to Bellamy & couldn't get a gun Souffs side a premiership, one GF with them & Ivan gets the ring. Still top 5 though.

Robbo also overrated but rounds out the 5 for lack of better options. Des would be in the discussion but loses too many points for the cap damage.

Wok, Gibson etc were at their peak before the fully professional era, so it's not a like for like comparison.

 

[Indiandog]

JR could have been a decent pick up. Cleary didn’t know how injury plagued his time at the club would be.

Bellamy once signed Sam Kasiano and tried to make him a better player by turning him into a beanpole. You writing him off too?

Kasiano was not bought on big dollars like Mbye and JR.

choc and cheese

 

[SexBomb]

Bellamy & Gus I have in the GOAT class

Ivan a rung below at this stage, if he can keep us top 4 for the next 5 or 6 years then he is alongside Bellamy, extra premierships gets him ahead. Cant bench him against Gus, will never get the chance to have the same rep opportunities. Took Warriors to a GF, and also only missed finals twice, once because of points deduction for a cap breach and the other the year Sonny Fai died. Tiges to ninth with Brooks getting HB of the year, the dud signings have been a Tigers thing well before Ivan and have continued since, so can't take much from that. I think people underestimate how truly shit we were when he arrived for stint one. Got us to a prelim in year 3 off the back of players he developed plus Soward & Merrin, all with a horrific injury toll. Sent for a nap after missing the finals with an even more horrific injury toll. Stint 2 speaks for itself.

Skeletor is a bit of a myth. Obviously can coach, but has been kissed on the dick by a fairy with the tool set he was handed. Still pretty much let the GOAT Storm team slip through his grasp and go to Bellamy & couldn't get a gun Souffs side a premiership, one GF with them & Ivan gets the ring. Still top 5 though.

Robbo also overrated but rounds out the 5 for lack of better options. Des would be in the discussion but loses too many points for the cap damage.

Wok, Gibson etc were at their peak before the fully professional era, so it's not a like for like comparison.

Too many underrate winning a premiership in your first year as a coach.
I don't and why I hold Gus up there as a, if not The GOAT.
Bellamy failed at Origin and Cleary is yet to show what he can do at that level.

 

[Motorhead]

The standard of opposition, especially this year, has been shit. A lot of the teams that have been perennial top tier squads have dramatically fallen away in ability this season.