It’s Not a Long Way to the Top … When you have the Proper Goal ….

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Meaney goin good for Storm, don't get me fuckin wrong. But when that little fuckin slippery Dutch Papenhuyzen comes back you think Meaney gonna still be the FB. You think Meaney would be playin how he is now at our club or Tigers, I ain't think so. The kid is goin good cause he at the fuckin Storm my friend. Elite fuckin club.
 

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So many salty fuckers in here still can't admit they were wrong about Meaney... Carrying on like Ricky Stuart would, never wrong haha.
I can hold my head high because I rated him well.

I’m always on the right side.
 

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Meaney is shit
You didn't watch the Anzac Day game....busy with the kids ok. Meaney is now a good FB.....thanks to Bellamy and the Storm and Papys coaching. We didn't bother to develop him. He was shit....not many good games with us...now his good games are 80% of the time.
 

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You didn't watch the Anzac Day game....busy with the kids ok. Meaney is now a good FB.....thanks to Bellamy and the Storm and Papys coaching. We didn't bother to develop him. He was shit....not many good games with us...now his good games are 80% of the time.
It’s not even that.
We simply couldn’t.
We needed an established. We were in no position to develop him.
We aren’t south’s. It’s sad but that’s the reality.
 

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You didn't watch the Anzac Day game....busy with the kids ok. Meaney is now a good FB.....thanks to Bellamy and the Storm and Papys coaching. We didn't bother to develop him. He was shit....not many good games with us...now his good games are 80% of the time.
His first game he didn't shy away from contact
 

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The way some peoples brains work amazes me some times, the thread isn’t about Nick Meaney, he was just an example of a bigger problem the clubs had.

It is about how both the club and fans need to have more patience with players and allow them the time to mature into a position before moving them on or us fans trashing them.

People actually comment on here that certain players would thrive at the Storm … why is that …. What do the Storm do different to what our club does, if they’d thrive at the Storm, why can’t we get them to thrive for our club?

I’ve seen comments saying Averillo will probably be moved on and that he’d kill it at the Storm, why, what would they do with him that we’re not doing, I don’t want to see a Bulldogs junior moved on and kill it for another club, that’s crap.

I don’t want to see players we’ve had in our system like Mahoney moved on and then thriving for other clubs.

As for the “Meaney won’t be there when Pap’s comes back”, of cause he won’t, he’s filling in, Meaney will move to the wing ..

As for the Brilliantly thought out “Meaney’s Shit” comment, obviously you haven’t been watching, Bellamy has developed him into a very capable fullback.

The club has previously lacked patience, I haven’t seen evidence of individual or specialised training, where’s the ability to improve a players skills, The intentions of the thread was I hope the club has recognised that now and they’re working on it, because I don’t want to see players with potential moved on, I’m hoping our club in the future is able to capitalise on that potential improve it and turn players into better players so both the player and our club benefit from it.

When was the last time you saw a player come back after pre season and said, wow, they’re twice the player they were last year, when was the last time we said wow, that player there is just getting better with every game he plays … are the coaches guilty of doing to much training as a team and not enough individual/specialised training on players short comings?

I’d like to see us go back to being a club that continually improves players.
 
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The way some peoples brains work amazes me some times, the thread isn’t about Nick Meaney, he was just an example of a bigger problem the clubs had.

It is about how both the club and fans need to have more patience with players and allow them the time to mature into a position before moving them on or us fans trashing them.

People actually comment on here that certain players would thrive at the Storm … why is that …. What do the Storm do different to what our club does, if they’d thrive at the Storm, why can’t we get them to thrive for our club?

I’ve seen comments saying Averillo will probably be moved on and that he’d kill it at the Storm, why, what would they do with him that we’re not doing, I don’t want to see a Bulldogs junior moved on and kill it for another club, that’s crap.

I don’t want to see players we’ve had in our system like Mahoney moved on and then thriving for other clubs.

As for the “Meaney won’t be there when Pap’s comes back”, of cause he won’t, he’s filling in, Meaney will move to the wing ..

As for the Brilliantly thought out “Meaney’s Shit” comment, obviously you haven’t been watching, Bellamy has developed him into a very capable fullback.

The club has previously lacked patience, I haven’t seen evidence of individual or specialised training, where’s the ability to improve a players skills, The intentions of the thread was I hope the club has recognised that now and they’re working on it, because I don’t want to see players with potential moved on, I’m hoping our club in the future is able to capitalise on that potential improve it and turn players into better players so both the player and our club benefit from it.

When was the last time you saw a player come back after pre season and said, wow, they’re twice the player they were last year, when was the last time we said wow, that player there is just getting better with every game he plays … are the coaches guilty of doing to much training as a team and not enough individual/specialised training on players short comings?

I’d like to see us go back to being a club that continually improves players.
Everything you have said makes perfect sense when viewing things through that certain frame of mind. But as I mentioned you haven’t taken into account the full picture.
The 2020 bulldogs were a rabble.
Board shit, Dean Pay, quality like Holland, Woods, Graham, Kas, Morris had all left or been squeezed out.
We had a team off nudfbags and average first gradersa and youth.
To develop players, you need a certain level of success already there. Daddy figures. A pathway.
I saw Meaney was good, you seemingly did too.
But what good is a student without teachers?
We needed teachers.
Giving up Meaney to a club liek the storm was best for him. They are stable.
What we needed was to clear the deck to get genuine quality into the club. We have failed to do it in the spine (for soem stupid reason) but we have done it elsewhere.

Clubs are at different stages in their dev.
Some clubs as an outside back need experience, some need youth. Some need strike
Meaney was not going to get it with us. Not if he wanted to play first grade at least.
 

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Thought Meany was very average last year, this year he has def taken a step up particularly in the last few games. However he did have a few good games for us at that level. Def more consistent with the storm. Probs helps having a good 9, 6 and 7 to put him in space plus Nelson causing carnage. Didnt have any of that when he was still with us. Pretty sure we had a contract for him but he choose to go to storm to potentially play reserves so good on him took the risk, now after this contract will probs get an upgrade and tigers or someone will offer him good money.
 

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The way some peoples brains work amazes me some times, the thread isn’t about Nick Meaney, he was just an example of a bigger problem the clubs had.

It is about how both the club and fans need to have more patience with players and allow them the time to mature into a position before moving them on or us fans trashing them.

People actually comment on here that certain players would thrive at the Storm … why is that …. What do the Storm do different to what our club does, if they’d thrive at the Storm, why can’t we get them to thrive for our club?

I’ve seen comments saying Averillo will probably be moved on and that he’d kill it at the Storm, why, what would they do with him that we’re not doing, I don’t want to see a Bulldogs junior moved on and kill it for another club, that’s crap.

I don’t want to see players we’ve had in our system like Mahoney moved on and then thriving for other clubs.

As for the “Meaney won’t be there when Pap’s comes back”, of cause he won’t, he’s filling in, Meaney will move to the wing ..

As for the Brilliantly thought out “Meaney’s Shit” comment, obviously you haven’t been watching, Bellamy has developed him into a very capable fullback.

The club has previously lacked patience, I haven’t seen evidence of individual or specialised training, where’s the ability to improve a players skills, The intentions of the thread was I hope the club has recognised that now and they’re working on it, because I don’t want to see players with potential moved on, I’m hoping our club in the future is able to capitalise on that potential improve it and turn players into better players so both the player and our club benefit from it.

When was the last time you saw a player come back after pre season and said, wow, they’re twice the player they were last year, when was the last time we said wow, that player there is just getting better with every game he plays … are the coaches guilty of doing to much training as a team and not enough individual/specialised training on players short comings?

I’d like to see us go back to being a club that continually improves players.
I think you are on the right track.

I've heard CC say in interviews that "we are a development club" . Gus continually says "long term project" and "playing the long game" in regards to young players

Unfortunately for us we are at the very beginning of building the club back into a powerhouse, unlike the Storm who are and have been a powerhouse for the past 20 years, so that when a player like Nick Meaney comes into their system, those type of players usually start to flourish

Our reality at the moment is that we are building from the ground up....so unfortunately a player like Nick Meaney probably wouldn't have improved like he has if he stayed a Bulldog

Gus knows what he is doing. He has said he is building this club back up to be the powerhouse it should rightfully be, and that we will never hit the lows like we have over the past 8 years

Gus warned CC it was going to be a shitfight and plenty of "trips down the mine" over the next 2-3 years...CC thought about it, said if it's gonna be a fight, he wants in....straight away.

Signed him for 5 years knowing this is a long term project and we probably won't be seeing too much success in the first couple of years

Gus is stacking the talent throughout the lower grades

We all want instant results...we all get pissed off with certain players/selections etc and that's understandable as a supporter to accept that, especially after becoming progressively worse over the last few years

I've definitely seen the improvement in alot of things this year.

Injuries have absolutely killed us so far this year, but I guess it gives the coaching staff a chance to have a good look at the fringe players and what they are capable of

I have total faith in what Gus and CC are doing and there is definitely a bigger plan and bigger picture happening that mightn't be as clear and evident to us fans

In a couple of years time I think we will be back as that club where players do flourish and improve and we will be a powerhouse again

But for us supporters, our reality is we want/need the win against the Dragons on Sunday...hoping we somehow get across the line:grinning:
 

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I read through that. Took one day of my weekend, but basically my take on these ideas is that along with being able to pick the players that have it in themselves to become worthwhile for long term success, we also have to know who to pick up that are at the point in time where they're verging on overcoming the weaknesses holding to hem back.

There's a fine balance really. We kicked a couple of recruitment goals with King, Kiraz, Preston. These guys are a bit in the mould of our old recruitment results. All three were languishing outside the top 17 where they were, but found a place in the run on side with us. Unfortunately we don't have the same quality to help them as we once did. Once upon a time we regularly picked up reserve graders who'd jump into rep teams with us within a year or two. But we have potentially two very good backline players joining in Xerri and Chrighton. Hopefully we get some quality injections in the forward pack as well.

But basically we need to know when to pick and stick with players. When they've peaked and if it's smarter to go with someone else. I think we've turned a corner with the simple fact that we've got recruitment pull now. We moved from being a place where players came to try and crack into the NRL to put their wares on display before moving on. Hopefully now we can build on the quality we've got here now over the next year or two.
 

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It's easy to be more patient when you're not at the bottom of the table year after year.
Panic buying and releasing players won't get us off the bottom any time soon.

As David Byrne said - there is water at the bottom of the ocean lol
 

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It's easy to be more patient when you're not at the bottom of the table year after year.
Yep comes down to this. And also when you are winning the spoon you clearly don't have the right culture and people to nurture young talent to turn it around
 
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