News Folau case may send Rugby Australia broke.

[Hacky McAxe]

*Yelling*

Oh @Mr Invisible... you are REALLY going to love this sir

Bungle: How Rugby Australia mishandled Israel Folau’s contract

https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/...t/news-story/d2f2205de93e62ab4ad5e77e4b5c4f3c

New report - Raelene Castle in the gun over Israel Folau firing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12231382

In short: Rugby Australia chief executive Raelene Castle ditched an 11th-hour attempt to insert a social media clause into Folau’s four-year contract, meaning he did NOT breach ANY clause in his contract.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

That just means that they didn't have a more stipulated section for breach. He also wasn't sanctioned for breaching any social media clause. He was sanctioned for a player code of conduct breach which is part of his contract.

 

[Alexander the Great]

Can I just confirm, you're a rich Jew who lives in Bondi, and you support the Roosters, correct?

No I support the Bulldogs. I grew up in Waverley but my father was a mad Bulldogs fan. He said the blue and white remind him of the Israeli flag and his favourite player Joe Bugden reminded him of one of his mates that he used to work with him in the Mosad back in the day so it just made sense.

 

[Mr Invisible]

*Yelling* Oh @Mr Invisible... you are REALLY going to love this sir
In short: Rugby Australia chief executive Raelene Castle ditched an 11th-hour attempt to insert a social media clause into Folau’s four-year contract, meaning he did NOT breach ANY clause in his contract. BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

She truly is the gift that keeps on giving...

That just means that they didn't have a more stipulated section for breach. He also wasn't sanctioned for breaching any social media clause. He was sanctioned for a player code of conduct breach which is part of his contract.

It means that RA could have sacked him immediately without any hearing.

It means Castle has cost RA a shitload of money with this hearing (and no doubt a future challenge/appeal by Folau), and left themselves wide open to an appeal based on what constitutes a breach of "code of conduct". That would mean back to another hearing (or courts if he takes it that far), to argue that a social media post based on fact and his faith, is not a breach of their code of conduct.

Rugby AU Code of Conduct: https://www.rugbyau.com/about/codes and policies/integrity/code of conduct
28 pages of vague information.

Only problems he might have are: Part 2 (Code of Conduct) Section 1 (Code of Conduct - Players).

Subsection 1.3:
Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby.

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Subsection 1.7:
Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

So he could challenge on those grounds that his message was not bullying, harassment, nor discrimination, and therefore did not breach the expectations and requirements of him as a player, therefore not breaching the player Code of Conduct.


I sense this is about to get real messy (and expensive)

 

[blueyedsamurai]

Funniest outcome would be if he gets sacked so all the Islander boys quit and Australia gets humiliated at the World Cup.

 

[Mr Invisible]

Funniest outcome would be if he gets sacked so all the Islander boys quit and Australia gets humiliated at the World Cup.

Why not both?

He fights RA, they come to an agreement to pay out his contract, all the fellow Islanders tell RA to get fucked, Australia gets decimated in World Cup, sponsors all pull out, RA goes tits up, Castle moves onto another role.

 

[Wahesh]

She truly is the gift that keeps on giving...


It means that RA could have sacked him immediately without any hearing.

It means Castle has cost RA a shitload of money with this hearing (and no doubt a future challenge/appeal by Folau), and left themselves wide open to an appeal based on what constitutes a breach of "code of conduct". That would mean back to another hearing (or courts if he takes it that far), to argue that a social media post based on fact and his faith, is not a breach of their code of conduct.

Rugby AU Code of Conduct: https://www.rugbyau.com/about/codes and policies/integrity/code of conduct
28 pages of vague information.

Only problems he might have are: Part 2 (Code of Conduct) Section 1 (Code of Conduct - Players).

Subsection 1.3:
Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby.

Subsection 1.7:
Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

So he could challenge on those grounds that his message was not bullying, harassment, nor discrimination, and therefore did not breach the expectations and requirements of him as a player, therefore not breaching the player Code of Conduct.


I sense this is about to get real messy (and expensive)

Good point! And I'm trying to understand why it does NOT sink in. He was not trying to offend or hurt anyone, he was simply stating his religious beliefs.

 

[Nasheed]

What I'm not clear on is what exactly does Israel want out of this?
-Resume business as usual?
-maximum payout?
-50% payout?

Hes framed it as not being about the temptation of money, so what does he want?

 

[blueyedsamurai]

Why not both?

He fights RA, they come to an agreement to pay out his contract, all the fellow Islanders tell RA to get fucked, Australia gets decimated in World Cup, sponsors all pull out, RA goes tits up, Castle moves onto another role.

She can move on to the top job for cricket Australia

 

[Hacky McAxe]

She truly is the gift that keeps on giving...


It means that RA could have sacked him immediately without any hearing.

It means Castle has cost RA a shitload of money with this hearing (and no doubt a future challenge/appeal by Folau), and left themselves wide open to an appeal based on what constitutes a breach of "code of conduct". That would mean back to another hearing (or courts if he takes it that far), to argue that a social media post based on fact and his faith, is not a breach of their code of conduct.

Rugby AU Code of Conduct: https://www.rugbyau.com/about/codes and policies/integrity/code of conduct
28 pages of vague information.

Only problems he might have are: Part 2 (Code of Conduct) Section 1 (Code of Conduct - Players).

Subsection 1.3:
Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby.

Subsection 1.7:
Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

So he could challenge on those grounds that his message was not bullying, harassment, nor discrimination, and therefore did not breach the expectations and requirements of him as a player, therefore not breaching the player Code of Conduct.


I sense this is about to get real messy (and expensive)

Yeah, it was definitely stupid on her behalf. She could have fixed it all with a little intelligent planning.

That said, it's not her job to oversee every contract so I blame the ones that handled his contract negotiations.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

What I'm not clear on is what exactly does Israel want out of this?
-Resume business as usual?
-maximum payout?
-50% payout?

Hes framed it as not being about the temptation of money, so what does he want?

Money. But for him it's also about pride. He thinks he's fighting for God.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Funniest outcome would be if he gets sacked so all the Islander boys quit and Australia gets humiliated at the World Cup.

Australia hasn't been good at Rugby for the last 15 years. Folau was a stop gap measure but it still didn't save them.

 

[Mr Invisible]

If Folau bankrupts RA, we all owe him a beer, because if he does it soon... HELLO CURTIS RONA!!!

She can move on to the top job for cricket Australia

She's going for the sporting equivalent of motorsports triple crown

 

[blueyedsamurai]

Australia hasn't been good at Rugby for the last 15 years. Folau was a stop gap measure but it still didn't save them.

They still made the final in 2015, I doubt they'll even make it our of their pool this time.

 

[Nasheed]

I thik whatever happens, whether Folau wins or not, Raelenes on the chopping block and its just a metter of when she gets replaced.

 

[Memberberries]

Can I just confirm, you're a rich Jew who lives in Bondi, and you support the Roosters, correct?

He simply just a Jew.

Not if you come with me this Saturday and you take a step closer to God and convert my Serbian brother. In QLD we have many Serbian yids

The Jews have had nothing since Harry Houdini!

 

[The DoggFather]

What I'm not clear on is what exactly does Israel want out of this?
-Resume business as usual?
-maximum payout?
-50% payout?

Hes framed it as not being about the temptation of money, so what does he want?

Israel want the rock throwers land...

 

[Caveman]

Yeah, it was definitely stupid on her behalf. She could have fixed it all with a little intelligent planning.

That said, it's not her job to oversee every contract so I blame the ones that handled his contract negotiations.

Pretty sure Raelene specifically approached Izzy 2 months after his new contract was finalized asking to amend some clauses in his new contract (I'm not sure what the amendments were regarding though), from what I understand she blindly approached him with the paperwork done up ready for him to sign (without discussing it with him or his management first), Izzy and his management basically shook their heads at her unprofessionalism and let her be on here way.

 

[Rodzilla]

If these ***** don't believe in God why would a post offend you.
If your not going to hell because there is no hell what's your fucking problem you snowflake prick?

the problem is people historically tried to expedite their journey to hell and still do in parts of the world, so its like how germany made it illegal to talk like a Nazi etc, stamp that type of shit out

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Pretty sure Raelene specifically approached Izzy 2 months after his new contract was finalized asking to amend some clauses in his new contract (I'm not sure what the amendments were regarding though), from what I understand she blindly approached him with the paperwork done up ready for him to sign (without discussing it with him or his management first), Izzy and his management basically shook their heads at her unprofessionalism and let her be on here way.

That's a really dodgy way to do business

 

[Wahesh]

What I'm not clear on is what exactly does Israel want out of this?
-Resume business as usual?
-maximum payout?
-50% payout?

Hes framed it as not being about the temptation of money, so what does he want?

He wants sinners to repent. Aren't you paying attention?