Opinion Cook and Tedesco

[c-b-b]

I agree with all of that except for the last part. Even playing Desball Cook dominated in those games. I'm sure Des would have micromanaged his game and tried to turn him into a robot like everyone else but wouldn't have succeeded with Cook. But I agree that he went to another level when being given the freedom and role he deserved.

Although it hurts to see him play for another club I'm happy for him. He had to go thru a number of clubs to get his chance and was older than most when starting.

 

[TwinTurbo]

My recollection is that Tedesco (agent Isaac Moses) actually signed with Parramatta and then reneged on the 13th day of the 14 day cooling off period and signed with the Chooks. Before that he had a handshake deal with Canberra and reneged on that too. Before that he had negotiated a 3 year contract extension with the Tigers which he also reneged on. We weren't the only club that he played the auction game with.

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[B-Train]

My recollection is that Tedesco (agent Isaac Moses) actually signed with Parramatta and then reneged on the 13th day of the 14 day cooling off period and signed with the Chooks. Before that he had a handshake deal with Canberra and reneged on that too. Before that he had negotiated a 3 year contract extension with the Tigers which he also reneged on. We weren't the only club that he played the auction game with.

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No, it was with us that he reneged so late in the piece. But you're right that he did the same thing to Canberra a few years earlier and is a serial backflipper.

 

[the_insider]

No idea where Mr I pulled that $850k figure from, as has been mentioned his latest deal is only for around $900k a year and he went from an interchange dummy half with half a dozen games under his belt to the current NSW and Australian hooker, also there have been significantly cap rises over the years, when you think of it if he was only $850k before and only $900k now his salary as a percentage of the overall cap has actually gone down

 

[Tassie Devil]

People need to get over it.

Souths offered Cook 2 years and more money a season we could.
Tedesco was only using us to bump up his price.

You can't win bidding wars against Storm, Broncos, Souths or Roosters.

Get over it? I'm still pissed at McCracken, Pay, Dymock and Smith dogging us to go to Parra the c*nts.

How do expect me to get over Cook and Tedesco refusing to stay / come to us for a lot more money elsewhere? What a fuckup. Still fuming.

 

[EXPLORER]

Im glad you started a thread about this. Nobody has talked about this before.

It’s got 3 pages of discussion
I’m reading through it. Others seem to be into the subject matter.

Why did you feel the need to post that?

I have pulled you up before for this kind of stuff.

Why do you constantly feel the need to belittle people and be condescending?

You supposed to be a moderator? a super moderator at that......

How about setting the standard rather than actively being a dick.

 

[Dannyboi88]

People need to get over it.

Souths offered Cook 2 years and more money a season we could.
Tedesco was only using us to bump up his price.

You can't win bidding wars against Storm, Broncos, Souths or Roosters.

Yes your right but does there leagues clubs have the Chinese food ours does our Chinese food at the league is a deal maker

 

[Alan79]

Personally I hope Newcastle fans are making threads like this about Meaney and Cogger in a year or two. Tedesco was already a marquee player and was lost due to a club with a seemingly endless salary cap outbidding us. Cook was a player with plenty of promise who moved on for similar reasons that both Cogger and Meaney came here. I could make similar arguments about us signing CHN.

At the end of the day some people are going to dwell on the past, some will have hopes for the future. I am one of the latter. I don't know if Pay will get the best out of players if our roster has improved next season. But if the youngsters we have signed eventually wind up being stars it will make this discussion void.

I do regret letting Cook go. Not going to lie about it. But in all honesty I think that many posters here thought we made a coup in signing Lichaa at the time. The point is that unless you have a time machine it's impossible to know what any player will be capable of two years down the road. Our last board and coach made plenty of recruitment and retention errors. I'll just hope that the current board makes and has already made betterchoices.

 

[B-Train]

Personally I hope Newcastle fans are making threads like this about Meaney and Cogger in a year or two. Tedesco was already a marquee player and was lost due to a club with a seemingly endless salary cap outbidding us. Cook was a player with plenty of promise who moved on for similar reasons that both Cogger and Meaney came here. I could make similar arguments about us signing CHN.

At the end of the day some people are going to dwell on the past, some will have hopes for the future. I am one of the latter. I don't know if Pay will get the best out of players if our roster has improved next season. But if the youngsters we have signed eventually wind up being stars it will make this discussion void.

I do regret letting Cook go. Not going to lie about it. But in all honesty I think that many posters here thought we made a coup in signing Lichaa at the time. The point is that unless you have a time machine it's impossible to know what any player will be capable of two years down the road. Our last board and coach made plenty of recruitment and retention errors. I'll just hope that the current board makes and has already made betterchoices.

We're all looking to the future, but when we still have no signing at hooker, it's hard not to lament the loss of Cook. And Cook was signed on a paltry amount by Souths originally, so it was just Des not wanting to keep him, not because of cap issues or Souths cap cheating. Most of us were furious at the time he wasnt re-signed, such was the impact he had.

If this board announces the signing of a great young hooker and some exciting backs, most people will be happy and excited. It's the fact that we still have so many questions at key positions and have a coach that needs to be replaced which is getting people worked up, anxious and impatient.

 

[Alan79]

We're all looking to the future, but when we still have no signing at hooker, it's hard not to lament the loss of Cook. And Cook was signed on a paltry amount by Souths originally, so it was just Des not wanting to keep him, not because of cap issues or Souths cap cheating. Most of us were furious at the time he wasnt re-signed, such was the impact he had.

If this board announces the signing of a great young hooker and some exciting backs, most people will be happy and excited. It's the fact that we still have so many questions at key positions and have a coach that needs to be replaced which is getting people worked up, anxious and impatient.

If we replace Pay it needs to be with a coach that has great credentials. Shuffling coaches just for the sake of appeasing fans could just destabilize the club. For all we know the current players are supporting him strongly.

I'm also keen to get a great hooker into our squad. JMK has been a step up from Lichaa. And he's probably played as many good games in a year at hooker as Lichaa has since coming to the club. I'd be just as supportive of us bringing in a coach/mentor like Ennis to work on the skillset and smarts of the hooking role with every #9 in our ranks for now. It's a tough position to sign quality in. So developing who we have should be a priority.

 

[B-Train]

If we replace Pay it needs to be with a coach that has great credentials. Shuffling coaches just for the sake of appeasing fans could just destabilize the club. For all we know the current players are supporting him strongly.

I'm also keen to get a great hooker into our squad. JMK has been a step up from Lichaa. And he's probably played as many good games in a year at hooker as Lichaa has since coming to the club. I'd be just as supportive of us bringing in a coach/mentor like Ennis to work on the skillset and smarts of the hooking role with every #9 in our ranks for now. It's a tough position to sign quality in. So developing who we have should be a priority.

Credentials are very subjective. I think Holbrook has great credentials. His success rate and style of play in the ESL with St. Helens shouldn't be dismissed. Likewise I believe O'Brien and Demetriou's credentials as reserves coaches and assistants, who they've worked under and how highly regarded they are should count for something.

I agree that we need to get into the 21st century and have specialist position coaches and better assistants. Ennis should be considered in some capacity. Noddy for the halves.. Someone for the outside backs and another coach for the forwards. Whoever we have currently clearly isn't having they effect they should.

 

[Alan79]

Credentials are very subjective. I think Holbrook has great credentials. His success rate and style of play in the ESL with St. Helens shouldn't be dismissed. Likewise I believe O'Brien and Demetriou's credentials as reserves coaches and assistants, who they've worked under and how highly regarded they are should count for something.

I agree that we need to get into the 21st century and have specialist position coaches and better assistants. Ennis should be considered in some capacity. Noddy for the halves.. Someone for the outside backs and another coach for the forwards. Whoever we have currently clearly isn't having they effect they should.

I'm at the point where I only have an interest in the Bulldogs strongly these days. I used to watch multiple games weekly. But I generally see about 15 minutes into any game I watch that the refs are hugely influencing the outcome in one teams favour. So my knowledge of how other clubs are being coached is limited. I'll refrain from nominating any coaches I'd like here.

And part of the issue the NRL has recently created with regards to specialist coaches for each position is that they want to restrict the budget of football departments. Just one more inept and damaging decision made by greenturd and co. Player development should be a huge priority for them. Ultimately if clubs that can afford the expenditure to develop an excess of quality players are willing to spend their own cash the NRL should thank them, not shoot player development in the foot.

 

[B-Train]

I'm at the point where I only have an interest in the Bulldogs strongly these days. I used to watch multiple games weekly. But I generally see about 15 minutes into any game I watch that the refs are hugely influencing the outcome in one teams favour. So my knowledge of how other clubs are being coached is limited. I'll refrain from nominating any coaches I'd like here.

And part of the issue the NRL has recently created with regards to specialist coaches for each position is that they want to restrict the budget of football departments. Just one more inept and damaging decision made by greenturd and co. Player development should be a huge priority for them. Ultimately if clubs that can afford the expenditure to develop an excess of quality players are willing to spend their own cash the NRL should thank them, not shoot player development in the foot.

Other clubs seem to manage with the same football department budget restrictions. The club need to continue the overhaul for these positions. With how little Pay would be on currently and how little a coach like those I suggested would command compared to a bigger name, there would still be plenty of room to spend on better scouts and assistants. It's just up to the club to spend the money, and wisely.

 

[Alan79]

Other clubs seem to manage with the same football department budget restrictions. The club need to continue the overhaul for these positions. With how little Pay would be on currently and how little a coach like those I suggested would command compared to a bigger name, there would still be plenty of room to spend on better scouts and assistants. It's just up to the club to spend the money, and wisely.

Greenberg tore the ass out of our junior development/scouting staff budget while here. The Panthers picked up some of our scouting talent and have improved a lot in the quality of players they bring in. Our coaching staff was depleted then too.

I think the new board have a tough task bringing our staff back to the levels that they used to be at. But they've cleared out some of the people they didn't think were up to standard. It remains to be seen if they pick up quality in those positions again soon. But I'm hopeful that it's going to happen soon.

It's evident that the lower grades had coaching issues with the flaws displayed by numerous youngsters we promoted. Our production line has a long way to go to return to the standards we set in the 80's and 90's

 

[TwinTurbo]

Other clubs seem to manage with the same football department budget restrictions. The club need to continue the overhaul for these positions. With how little Pay would be on currently and how little a coach like those I suggested would command compared to a bigger name, there would still be plenty of room to spend on better scouts and assistants. It's just up to the club to spend the money, and wisely.

This is a valid point, the playing field is not level. For example Melbourne, their feeder clubs are in Queensland, Eastern Suburbs Tigers and Sunshine Coast Falcons. Which means they can have specialist coaches at those 2 clubs paid for by Melbourne sponsors directly, hence they are not included in Melbourne's football department cap. Whereas we have our own, local feeders so any of our specialist coaches get rolled up into our football department cap. It is one of the reasons many mention as to why Melbourne seem to magically get a steady flow of developing players, they get specialist coaching at a young age.

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