Consolidated Klemmer Discussion

What do you want from Klemmer as of this present moment?

  • Stay

    Votes: 65 31.6%
  • Piss Off

    Votes: 141 68.4%

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Bull Terrier

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Im not confident.

What if Lynne Anderson who is inexperienced in football club matters is actually out of her depth?
Lynne isnt steering this ship Chris is.
This is going to take time.
We all should be prepared for at least two years of rebuilding. If you expect anything sooner you are going to be dissappointed.
 

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Yeh and?......Dogs won’t release him until we get what we want, and it doesn’t mean we want a player from Newcastle, it could be from the 14 other clubs, until we’re happy. We hold the cards on this one. We’re not getting bent over in this one! We have a list of players we’re going after. I’m sure most of us will be happy with the outcome except maybe a few who will still whinge.
We need centres and a prop and apart from Ramien Newcastle don’t have anyone that we would want. It doesn’t matter where we get these players from!
 

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Philosophers used to opt out of corporate pursuits in order to sit around on a step, or under a tree and try and gain a better understanding of life. It's not a no brainer, at all....if anything, the pursuit of wealth inhibits thought and internal debate. The more we lose our way as a species, the more it seems like a "no brainer".

Edit: Even in the early days of philosophy, philosophers were widely scorned for their ethics and Pharaohs were buried with riches the poor could only dream of, so I guess the majority have always been greedy arses. That doesn't mean their way of thinking is the only way or the best way.
Get all that but you'd hardly describe Klemmer as a philosopher
 

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Can someone name any other club in the comp that would happily release their starting half and proper just before pre season for no reason?
Newcastle Last year.
Probably Parra this year

Ohh god, we’re in the same league as these clowns.
 

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Yeh and?......Dogs won’t release him until we get what we want, and it doesn’t mean we want a player from Newcastle, it could be from the 14 other clubs, until we’re happy. We hold the cards on this one. We’re not getting bent over in this one! We have a list of players we’re going after. I’m sure most of us will be happy with the outcome except maybe a few who will still whinge.
Im not arguing with that mate, It just boils my blood when articles like that come out and it seems like we are getting fucked over again. I don't care which club the players come from but what worries me is that it'll just be a decent player like Blake from Manly and that's it, we can't forget the calibre of player we are releasing and I really hope your right on this one.
 

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I feel like most people are looking at this through Klemmer's perspective. But i have been thinking about the dogs' situation and have been doing some analysis. Let's say i have also been doing some calling around.

What we know:
- the club wants Klemmer to stay
- The club knows the fans like Klemmer and will be annoyed if he is handed over so easily
- Knights are offering him more than what we are giving him
- The dogs have released the Mozzles, Mbye, Eastwood, Graham and Woods who were definitely not cheap

What the club wants us to think:
- They still have salary cap constraints
- they are working to negotiate something with klemmer
- there is personal issues beyond money complaints

What is actually happening:
- The club is rebuilding and have drafted a plan for "long term" success not "short term".
- The mozzles, mbye, woods, graham and eastwood leaving have actually improved our fiscal position considerably. The club actually has more spending money and cap room than most other clubs.
- The club is not even close to seriously considering upgrading klem's contract significantly. They have emphasised that they do not want to create similar risks with high player salaries again. It is either a slight upgrade or no you can leave.
- the club doesn't actually think klemmer leaving is that big of a deal. They know ofahiki ogden (or fualolo- the names i heard) can fill in his shoes.
- the club knows they have potential to sign some star players that will reform the side.
- Also, klemmer does have other non-pay issues with the club. Still haven't figured this one out.
With you all the way till you mentioned Fualolo
 

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I know what you're saying but I can't get behind it entirely. Field position is enormous. Klemmer is the best forward in the comp at bringing the ball up to the redzone. How good will Ponga look when he's in attacking position constantly?

Yes, we need other forwards to be offloading and doing there thing, but you cannot look at the forwards entirely and thrust our attack and all of our squads problems on their shoulders. Our 1/6/7/9 have been dogshit for years which was the real issue, our forwards have kept us in games. We have Lewis, hopefully Foran doesnt die after 30mins of football and Meanie could be something. Lichaa is a write off obviously.

You say getting someone like Tapau will fix things, no doubt, losing Klem and getting Tapau is absolutely best case. What are the odds of it happening though? How many Tapau's is there in the game? The most likely scenario is that we lose Klemmer and end up with another fringe forward. There isnt much available on the market. Souths are desperate and are linked to Merrin today. Thats realistically to me, our best case scenario. Someone like Merrin. Clubs are paying overs for average forwards. People here have written off Tolman for 500 years because "hes a plodder", imagine what's coming down our pipeline shortly.

It's pretty clear to me were going to get fucked if Klemmer goes, and I just cannot drink the koolaid that seems to be getting dispensed to calm people down. At present, Klem is literally the only player on our roster besides Lewis that you cannot let go under any circumstance. If Klemmer goes this will be another mistake we look at in 5 years and ask ourselves how the fuck we let it happen.
Klemmer handed Danny Fualalo his jersey for his 50th game in the later rounds of the season. I thought that was nice at the time...all along though the **** was handing him his jersey for good.
 

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https://www.theherald.com.au/story/...ldogs-for-a-player-trade-for-klemmer/?cs=7580

NRL | Knights shut down Bulldogs' requests for a player trade involving Test prop David Klemmer

Knights officials have flatly rejected calls from the Canterbury Bulldogs for a player trade for David Klemmer as the Kangaroos prop edges closer to a decision on his future.

While he is yet to be released by the Bulldogs, there is speculation Klemmer could sign a four year deal with the Knights within the next week but the club won’t be swapping any players.

Newcastle director of football Brian Canavan told the Newcastle Herald a player swap for Klemmer isn’t on the table.

“They presented the notion to us about a trade but I just responded to that by telling them we won’t be releasing any of our players,” Canavan said.

Asked about media reports that Canterbury had requested in-coming former Sharks centre Jesse Ramien in a trade scenario, Canavan scoffed at the suggestion.

“As I understand it, the Dogs were in the market for Jesse Ramien when he originally signed here at the start of last season,” he said.

“So that is where that would have come from because they are looking for an outside back.”

Canavan agreed the Bulldogs are in an awkward position with their fans, who will be expecting the club to sign some sort of replacement before allowing their Test and Origin prop to exit with two years still remaining on his contract.

“They may continue the hunt elsewhere and we fully appreciate what the Dogs are doing. They are in an awkward situation,” he said.

No trade: Outstanding newly-signed centre Jesse Ramien was touted as a possible trade for David Klemmer but it won't be happening. Picture: AAP.

“We are just waiting. I couldn’t put a time-frame on when the whole thing will be resolved. But as far as us giving up a player, well they know our position on that.

“I’m sure they are looking at all their options as we speak.”


The bulk of the Knights squad will report for the start of pre-season training on Monday without the club’s senior players, who have more time off as per the RLPA collective bargaining agreement.

Given he played for the Kangaroos, Klemmer is not due to start training again until just before Christmas.

“As a Test player, he’s got to have eight weeks off so as far as training goes, he won’t be back on deck for a while yet,” Canavan said.

Per above, we aren't getting shit from Newcastle.
 

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Lynne isnt steering this ship Chris is.
This is going to take time.
We all should be prepared for at least two years of rebuilding. If you expect anything sooner you are going to be dissappointed.
They were on the right track, then BOOM! another land mind to navigate around. We’ll get over this, then Jackson will sign with Souths and Lewis will want to go back home to QLD.
 

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We all know how this will play out: Dogs will release Klemmer, and pay part of his salary, and get nothing in return. Then do the same with Foran. Just like they did with Woods and Mbye.

You know what Bulldogs.... go have a chat to this young man without a contract: Tevita Pangai Jnr.
SIGN HIM.

Then once that's done give Hayne a call and offer him some coin to play centre.
SIGN HIM

Then once that's sorted, speak to Manly... if they want Foran they give us Elgey... simple.
SIGN HIM

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Then when our side runs out in 2019 with Hayne, Pangai Jnr, and Elgey ... then the fans will applaud your actions.
 

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It’s not the end of the world and be confident in the fact that the club is playing hard ball with talking to other clubs about compensation. We can always turn it around on the Knights if they don’t want to come to the party and give him permission to talk to other clubs and force their hand. It’s obvious they want Klemmer bad with the money they are offering him!
What I understand Klemmer approached the Knights and wants to live there as his wife's family is there, don't think he's interested in going elsewhere
 

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What type of argument are you even presenting? You're literally saying it was okay for the club to force players out because it suited the club yet are flat out criticising a player for doing the same thing, how ridiculous.

Our poor management and cap situation isn't an excuse to justify our clubs actions, the club simply did what they thought was best for them just like Klemmer doing
Lol that’s not what I said at all. And I’m tired of repeatedly re-explaining my points to you. This will be the last time.

Firstly, I’m arguing that they weren’t forced out and I’ve made that very clear.

I think when the club realised its salary cap predicament, it called the players together for a meeting, told them about the situation and gave a number of players permission to test their value on the open market.... the club also publicly stated no player would be forced out and Mbye and Woods have both been recorded on the record as saying they volunteered to go when they found suitable offers. If you have proof either player was forced out, please produce it. All reports at the time backed up my version of events. That doesn’t necessarily mean my version of events is correct, but you treating your own gut feelings of what happened as fact is really irritating, tbh.

I don’t think a club legally can force a player out. The player has to be able to find an offer and if there’s any shortfall between the new offer and their existing contract, the club has to make up the difference. A player can request a release and put the club in a position of either keeping a player that doesn’t want to be there on its books or letting them go... often without adequate compensation. There is certainly no onus on the player or their agent to source a replacement or make up the shortfall.

There are rules in place to protect players in these situations...there is also the option open to players of approaching the RLPA if they feel they are being treated unfairly. If a player doesn’t want to entertain other offers, they don’t have to and can stay for the remainder of their contract, if they choose.

It is also worth noting this board had no control over the salary cap mess they inherited. Klemmer had plenty of control over the deal he negotiated for himself.

The basic crux of my argument is that the club had to clear up breathing space, told a number of players they could negotiate if they wanted to and Mbye and Woods were the two who sourced good deals for themselves and left willingly. Why would they want to stay with a struggling club that had major rostering problems and no real scope to sign anyone new for years to come? That’s what the situation would have been if nobody left.

I don’t think you have any proof whatsoever they were forced out.... you’re just preaching your opinion as gospel as you so often do.

You can accept my argument or disagree with it, but I really can’t be bothered arguing with you about this all night. Either you accept my argument, or you don’t, but if you think you can tell people what to think or dictate what their opinion is, your head is up your reverse pie hole, dude..
 

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Get all that but you'd hardly describe Klemmer as a philosopher
That is very true...haha. Maybe as a big kid though. Philosophers and children, the two types of human who aren’t motivated by money!
 

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I have fully supported the Board and CEO for all they have done since being in charge. I also find it very disappointing that this massive issue has not been addressed in some way. Hopefully it is addressed tonight.

I have always been a big fan of Klemmer and would be upset to see him go, but if the rumours are true and he is getting big money for the next 2 seasons, well then this may be a blessing in disguise. Also his attitude to this has also left a bad taste in my mouth.

Easy for people to say "stuff him let him rot in reserve"... but I can promise you from experience, that biting off you nose to spite your face achieves NOTHING.....
Yet Greg Eastwood was in an identical position and he stood firm and said he was staying, that made a few around pretty unhappy.

Does that make Eastwood a bad person for not looking elsewhere to free up cap space for us when it appeared the club wanted to shop him around. . He was only getting his just desserts after having a 200k payment one year and back ended the rest so he could be kept by the club, thanks to the back ended deal. I don't like the idea of back ended deals at all and unfortunately it looks like we still have a few more to go, Klemmer's being one of them.

The Beast will always be one of my favourite players and Klemmer was too until this. His manager appears to have convinced him that we are underpaying him even though the shortfall in his contract in previous year is now being addressed with a commensurate increase in the last two. Either the club is telling porkies and they don't want to keep him on the back ended deal or Klemmer did not understand the deal that he signed. Complete mess and either way there will be unhappy people. The club has to stop playing ducks and drakes with the fans and come clean........Now I have heard from various places that he is on close to a million the next two years with us, only 200k less than the reported offer from Newcastle...who stands to benefit if he leaves and does that make Newcastle desperate to have him? Methinks his wife may have a part in this too...probably not happy with the recent goings on at the club perhaps????
 

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Nonsense....I'm a philosopher and believe in principles, not the pursuit of the almighty dollar. Think what you like, but don't even try to make assumptions about or tell me what I would do. I've walked away from financial security before in order to find happiness......and as someone who has less than Klem, that decision was even harder....it was absolutely the right decision, though.
Same here.. but there's a lot of people who worship money above everything else.
 

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I half agree....If he doesn't want to be here, he might not be much good to us, but we should definitely hold out on releasing him until we have all but secured some signings that would make his departure beneficial.
We should not release him, if he doesn't stack up then he can rot in reserve grade till his contract ends.
 

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Under contract you can't just walk away from the bulldog mafia like that, they are going ape shit.
 

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Passion or not if I was offered double my current pay at a club that has a spine and competent staff I would switch in an instant.

One player cant lead a revolution. He has been trying that for the past two years.

Dont hinge the clubs future on one player, that is unfair.

Ill cop a lot of hate for this but this Klemmer bashing is absurd.

Many players have left the club before him, for very good reasons. Its not just Hasler or the cap, there is more to this than you's think.

Let me ask you- when was the last time you saw the board or other relevant persons stand up for our players- Like the rabbits did for Burgess?

Right. Think on that.

My 2 cents.
 
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