News Bulldogs great Graeme Hughes says that 2019 will make or break Kieran Foran

[EB18]

Whats this bullshit everyone is writing bunch of losers. Anyone heard the saying " you win it or you dont". Its that fucking simple. If we dont win the comp next year then its a failed season.

 

[no1bulldog]

Someone explain how our squad is better than last year?

 

[Rodzilla]

2018 broke foran, 2019 is going to be the year that he fixes or stays broken

 

[bcmf]

Foran should have shut the fuck up, now he’s put even more pressure on himself. Self dignity and pride should have been enough, but no, he had to open his mouth and say what a great off season he’s having.

 

[gazza]

It’s good that Graham is back. Indicates to me that there has been some healing in the club which was sorely needed. Some supporters are never happy. It was blindingly obvious the team was going backwards in 2016 and 2017. Fresh eager faces with younger legs are coming through. Anything can happen, especially now that there is a genuine reserve grade competition back in the game that provides the experience stepping stone and tough testing ground between the juniors and NRL levels. The under whatever competition was a false indicator of NRL potential and did not provide the intensity and hardness that a genuine reserve grade competition provides. AND the dogs ended the season on top in reserve grade against some pretty fair competition. Graham’s observations on Kieran Foran reflect what most of us in the kennel have been thinking. The guy’s body is broken and we doubt he will make it to the end of this season. And that is just reality and no disrespect to his desire and effort. If a miracle happens and he performs then terrific. The club’s future does not hinge on Kieran Foran, but on younger players we need to identify and nurture. Whatever number on the ladder we end up on at the end of the season is not as important as seeing us go UP the ladder and that starts with being competitive in every game.

 

[bricktamland]

It’s good that Graham is back. Indicates to me that there has been some healing in the club which was sorely needed. Some supporters are never happy. It was blindingly obvious the team was going backwards in 2016 and 2017. Fresh eager faces with younger legs are coming through. Anything can happen, especially now that there is a genuine reserve grade competition back in the game that provides the experience stepping stone and tough testing ground between the juniors and NRL levels. The under whatever competition was a false indicator of NRL potential and did not provide the intensity and hardness that a genuine reserve grade competition provides. AND the dogs ended the season on top in reserve grade against some pretty fair competition. Graham’s observations on Kieran Foran reflect what most of us in the kennel have been thinking. The guy’s body is broken and we doubt he will make it to the end of this season. And that is just reality and no disrespect to his desire and effort. If a miracle happens and he performs then terrific. The club’s future does not hinge on Kieran Foran, but on younger players we need to identify and nurture. Whatever number on the ladder we end up on at the end of the season is not as important as seeing us go UP the ladder and that starts with being competitive in every game.

I’m totally optimistic , it’s all new and fresh and we might struggle but the re build is what we needed, young ones competing for spots , being chucked in the deep end early learning what it’s like to lose and most people hate losing which will build character together through the tough times

 

[Sleeky]

Foran needs to go back to skulling Calfs blood imo

 

[SweetFA]

It’s good that Graham is back. Indicates to me that there has been some healing in the club which was sorely needed. Some supporters are never happy. It was blindingly obvious the team was going backwards in 2016 and 2017. Fresh eager faces with younger legs are coming through. Anything can happen, especially now that there is a genuine reserve grade competition back in the game that provides the experience stepping stone and tough testing ground between the juniors and NRL levels. The under whatever competition was a false indicator of NRL potential and did not provide the intensity and hardness that a genuine reserve grade competition provides. AND the dogs ended the season on top in reserve grade against some pretty fair competition. Graham’s observations on Kieran Foran reflect what most of us in the kennel have been thinking. The guy’s body is broken and we doubt he will make it to the end of this season. And that is just reality and no disrespect to his desire and effort. If a miracle happens and he performs then terrific. The club’s future does not hinge on Kieran Foran, but on younger players we need to identify and nurture. Whatever number on the ladder we end up on at the end of the season is not as important as seeing us go UP the ladder and that starts with being competitive in every game.

Thanks to Messrs Dib/Hasler it does hinge on Foran @ approximately $1.2mil a season translates to a big investment financially & in football terms. Due to inflated contracts (backended) Eastwood,Morris,Hopoate,Tolman,Klemmer,Mbye & the over inflated Woods contract means that you don’t have the funds to bring quality players to the club nor take the gamble on promoting/developing promising youngsters.
We will be competitive IF our top 19 play as much as good conditioning, luck & attitude allow.
The Club will be a position to bring quality for season 2020 & be a genuine top 4 contender....
Right now, our backline from 1-7 is the most underwhelming in the NRL!
Reality people!

 

[Dawain87]

Men bullshit easier when they are playing golf..

 

[south of heaven]

Ive said it before you really dont have to be good to make the 8 but finishing 8th next year would be good for us .
There's no reason why we cant scrape the 8 and build of that in 2020 .
Id be slightly concerned if we didn't finish 8th

 

[Powerslide]

Do people understand what a 'Pass' is? If you go below that its a fail. If things go your way more then they don't then you will be higher. Will I be happy finishing 8-10? well no. But a Pass is not a reason to celebrate, its just not a reason to cut your wrists.

So are people saying that if we sneak into the 8, they'll still want Pay sacked and the majority of the team not re-signed?

 

[Heckler]

Would you guys be happy with a 8th-10th finish in 2019 and a 4th-8th finish in 2020?

6 to 8 2019 possibly then 4 to 6 2020.

In general, we are too focused on our club. There are certainly other clubs that will struggle based on rebuilds and the like as well.

At least the clean out with our club is in earnest.

It's only up from here as long as there's harmony and stability amongst the whole club.

 

[BlackDawg]

Foran hasn't played well for the last 4 seasons....so has he suffered chronic injuries for 4 years? The fact of the matter is you are living on a prayer if you believe he is some how going to fire on a broken body and a mind that revolves around his fractured family relationships. He plays for the dogs because Des & Dib paid him massive overs and he has 2 years left on the massive overs. Will be a great day when he departs our club so we have money to spend on players who actually deliver on the paddock.

 

[Wahesh]

Looks like everyone is just getting excuses ready for Pay.

Well that's the price you pay for giving a coach more power than the CEO. Fuck me dead Dibshit stuffed up our club something good!

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Do people understand what a 'Pass' is? If you go below that its a fail. If things go your way more then they don't then you will be higher. Will I be happy finishing 8-10? well no. But a Pass is not a reason to celebrate, its just not a reason to cut your wrists.

So are people saying that if we sneak into the 8, they'll still want Pay sacked and the majority of the team not re-signed?

A pass is considered a success and a result towards the desired direction, obviously it isn't the ultimate success. Anything less than 8 isn't good enough and shows we aren't moving forward. The level of most teams in the NRL isn't exactly high so a minimum 8th place finish isn't unreasonable if we make improvements and sort out some of our issues.

If we finish at least 8th then I'm happy for the club to offer Pay an extension while also admitting I was wrong about him. If he can't get us there then we should definitely look at other options because the Bulldogs shouldn't be a club that is happy with being at this sort of level. Obviously there is room for movement with these expectations based on things like injury.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Thanks to Messrs Dib/Hasler it does hinge on Foran @ approximately $1.2mil a season translates to a big investment financially & in football terms. Due to inflated contracts (backended) Eastwood,Morris,Hopoate,Tolman,Klemmer,Mbye & the over inflated Woods contract means that you don’t have the funds to bring quality players to the club nor take the gamble on promoting/developing promising youngsters.
We will be competitive IF our top 19 play as much as good conditioning, luck & attitude allow.
The Club will be a position to bring quality for season 2020 & be a genuine top 4 contender....
Right now, our backline from 1-7 is the most underwhelming in the NRL!
Reality people!

Really!
So Hopoate is the worst fullback in the NRL? Personally I'd rate him above Dufty, Thompson, Wighton, Gordon, Edwards, Coote, Mbye and Gutherson. Which makes him around mid pack, far from underwhelming.
So Smith is the worst winger in the NRL? Seriously?
Lewis the worst 5/8?
Sure Foran has an injury question hanging over him, but are you seriously suggesting he is the worst half in he NRL?
Holland the worst centre? I'm pretty sure if looked I'd find at least 8 undeniably worse than him.

Not suggesting in any way that we are the best, but we are far from the most underwhelming.

Go Dogs

 

[Dawgfather]

Canterbury great Graeme Hughes warns 2019 is make or break for Kieran Foran as the Dogs playmaker attempts to emerge from a three-year injury-affected lull.
Hughes says Foran is in the last chance saloon after three seasons marked by off-field issues and being restricted to just 38 games in that time.

Carrying a reported $1.2 million price tag, Foran failed to make an impact in his first season at Belmore which was ended by a toe injury.

In his prime Foran was a fearless ball-runner who was adept at putting the defensive line in two minds.

But after being marred by back, shoulder and hamstring injuries in recent years, some have questioned his future in the game.

“Kieran Foran will be one of the most watched players in 2019,” Hughes said at the Jack Newton Celebrity Classic golf tournament.

“He’s drawn that attention to himself in many respects.

“I haven’t met him a lot. But I do expect that after having the year out, the expectation on him from the fans will be huge.

“His career is up for grabs in 2019. If there’s going to be contracts or a career anywhere for him in the game, he has to show people in 2019 that he’s got something a bit special to offer.”

Foran is contracted to the Bulldogs until the end of 2020 and coach Dean Pay will need him to fire if his rebuild is to be successful.

Josh and Brett Morris, Aaron Woods and Moses Mbye have all been moved on over the last 12 months as a result of the club’s salary cap squeeze.

Hughes said Pay and the Dogs board, which swept to power in February, deserve to be given another two to three years to get the “family club” back on track.

“If they make anywhere from eighth to 10th it will be more than a pass mark,” Hughes said.

“The previous administration has made a mess of the club and people have got to give the new administration time, you’ve got to be patient because of what happened last year.

“I think if you’re going to really rate the Bulldogs, you rate them on 2020 and 2021.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/81b4bb897b32ac63137966a5f328dbc0

lol "make or break".

Foran is already broken and has been broken for quite a number of years now. This year won't prove any different.

He's a drain on our salary cap and needs to be disposed of immediately.

 

[GDR]

lol "make or break".

Foran is already broken and has been broken for quite a number of years now. This year won't prove any different.

He's a drain on our salary cap and needs to be disposed of immediately.

exactly this ...

We are virtually starting a season with 1.2mil burnt in the wind.. plus the players we have on the books that are now playing for other clubs....

Then when you consider that teams like the broncos, Storm, sharks and Roosters have inflated salary caps by one means or another .. that means we start the season with a team about 2-3million dollars inferior to the elite teams.. I mean even Newcastle seem to be flexing their salary cap muscles these days..

So lets be realistic...

 

[Howard Moon]

Foran should have shut the fuck up, now he’s put even more pressure on himself. Self dignity and pride should have been enough, but no, he had to open his mouth and say what a great off season he’s having.

It was an interview ffs he was asked the questions and gave an honest response. If you listen to other Dogs players when asked about Foz, they are saying exactly what he is saying.. should they shut the fuck up also?

 

[TwinTurbo]

lol "make or break".
Foran is already broken and has been broken for quite a number of years now. This year won't prove any different.
He's a drain on our salary cap and needs to be disposed of immediately.

Exactly how do you suggest we do that?

Go Dogs