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wendog33

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Australian politics is such a disaster. Every election we are just voting for the least shit candidate.

Tony Abbott is the only PM I have genuinely voted for in my lifetime. The others it has always been a case of who is a lesser grub/crook/snake etc.
Sadly....so true.

I guess any decent calibre nominees wouldn't want the hassles and harassment from the media so on the whole we get poor quality, easily corrupted "gang" members who stick together without any principles. Probably why independents rising in popularity (for the time being probably untill they compromise themselves).

I though Bridget Archer was brave tho yesterday to stand on her principles....whether people agree or not based on your politics, she did her own thing under what will be enormous pressure and have consequences for her in the party room. Might be a start in seeing some integrity in both majors.
 

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link: Grace Tame’s abuser Nicolaas Bester faces court over alleged Twitter harassment

Bester was in 2011 sentenced to two years and 10 months in jail for abusing Tame, who was 15 at time, and for possessing child exploitation material.

Bester, who was a teacher at the high school Tame attended, was aged 58 at the time.

Nicolaas Ockert Bester, 70, was in October charged with three counts of using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence.

His bail was continued and he will next appear on 31 January. Bester didn’t speak in court or to media outside the building.
 

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link: Grace Tame’s abuser Nicolaas Bester faces court over alleged Twitter harassment

Bester was in 2011 sentenced to two years and 10 months in jail for abusing Tame, who was 15 at time, and for possessing child exploitation material.

Bester, who was a teacher at the high school Tame attended, was aged 58 at the time.

Nicolaas Ockert Bester, 70, was in October charged with three counts of using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence.

His bail was continued and he will next appear on 31 January. Bester didn’t speak in court or to media outside the building.
Firstly, how does a guy who is convicted of sexually abusing a 15yo girl ONLY get 2yrs & 10 months???????

Secondly, on what F@#King planet is it ok for him to publicly threaten his victim after release AND get F@#KING bail???

Tasmanian Judicial system is F@#KED.
 

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The politics of these nutters involved in the Wieambilla shootings.



As Australians discovered after a shooting in Queensland this week, as Germany found in its network of princely houses last week, and as New Zealand found in the Christchurch shooting of 2019, it looks like a major American export now is conspiracy theories.

They are delivered through a sophisticated process of amplification and distribution. They are politically mainstreamed through the US Republican Party, laundered through right-wing media voices such as Fox, and powered by social media.

Since Donald Trump announced his candidacy in 2015 and quickly became the standard-bearer of his party’s conspiracist faction, it’s been hiding in plain sight. It peaked last week when the world’s erstwhile richest man Elon Musk used his own platform to tweet “My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci” to the virtual applause of 1.2 million likes.

Conspiracies once evolved into cults — now they power the political right.

It’s just another episode in the “those crazy Americans” drama so popular around the world. Except now viral speed rushes these made-in-the-USA conspiracies across oceans to be translated out of context into local circumstances, before bouncing to-and-fro around the world, turning the conspiracy global.

Police are investigating the online activity of Gareth and Nathaniel Train, the two gunmen who killed three people, including two police officers, on a remote property in Queensland on Monday. An account with the name “Gareth Train” posted about the Port Arthur massacre conspiracy — that the 1996 mass killings in Tasmania were a false flag to provide political cover for gun control.

It’s a theory previously dabbled in by “just asking questions” Pauline Hanson. Now it’s woven into the US right’s conspiracy that children caught in mass-school shootings are “crisis actors” in the “government wants our guns” movement. (It was conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ over-eager embrace of the “crisis actors” meme that bankrupted him in multimillion-dollar defamation payouts to parents of the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting.)

The “sovereign citizen” theory originated with an over-interpretation of the US constitution. It’s been adapted in Australia (again, apparently, by one of the Train brothers), stripped of its very American constitutional mooring. The German version of the theory — the “Reichsbürger” movement — inspired the coup-curious group arrested last week.

The 2019 manifesto of the Australian-born Christchurch killer drew on past manifestos in the US and Norway and inspired others in return. (Six months later, a killer in El Paso started his own manifesto with: “In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto.”)

We saw the cross-Pacific back-and-forth in the reporting of News Corps’ Walkley Award-winning reporter Sharri Markson on the “lab-leak conspiracy”. Her book What Really Happened in Wuhan constructed the narrative for the “lab-leak theory”, a theory that has culminated in turning US President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser Anthony Fauci into the scapegoat for the COVID-19 pandemic.

Now we understand better how conspiracies spread, it’s time to answer two harder questions. Where do they come from? And why do they find such an enthusiastic market?

Sometimes we can see back to a theory’s origin moment — like the 2017 posts of the anonymous “Q” on 4chan’s message boards that have inspired the twists and turns of the QAnon right. But even those had roots in the “deep state” conspiracy, and even further back in the notoriously anti-Semitic child blood libel.

We’ve known since the 1920s that the notorious Protocols of the Elders of Zion was forged by imperial Russia’s secret police (although that knowledge hasn’t stopped its spread). But again, the protocols only supplied documentation for an already widespread anti-Semitism.

This week, we saw the reemergence of the most popular take on why conspiracies are embraced: some people are just plain nuts. As an Occam’s razor response, it’s easy to understand its attraction.

A bit too easy. When conspiracists get dangerously out of hand, it’s a way of blaming the theorist while protecting the theory. It’s made “mental health” the go-to waive-off by the pro-gun crowd in response to the all-too-regular US shootings. Same in Australia this week when a News Corp tabloid manoeuvred to explain how Nathaniel Train’s “sudden spiral from respected primary school principal to cold-blooded killer started with a heart attack that struck as he battled an exams cheating scandal”.

Much safer than trying to look at how he was radicalised by right-wing conspiracy theories — and a lot safer than looking at how those theories come to be spread.

There’s no shortage of people looking. Some point to the surge in uncertainty driven by the big technological and economic shifts of the past two decades leaving people vulnerable to authoritarianism and extremist impulses. Psychologists look to the desire for significance or for the offerings of community that conspiracy groups offer. Cultural theorists point to “the paranoid style of late capitalism” (Fredric Jameson) or the attraction of pseudo-rationality for the “semi-erudite” (Theodor Adorno).

For journalism, it’s the hardest of calls: how to get the right mix of reporting, analysis and, yes, mockery of the conspiracy noise without lending the credibility of the craft to the amplification of the political signal that noise is trying to send.
 
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We killed them’: Queensland shooters posted video online after attack
A now-deleted YouTube account shows footage of the Wieambilla shooters foreshadowing violence against police in the lead-up to the attack.

A screenshot of a YouTube video posted by Wieambilla shooters Stacey and Gareth Train

The couple at the centre of the Wieambilla shooting posted chilling footage after the attack claiming that they had killed “devils” and “demons” on their property.

Videos and comments posted online appear to show the perpetrators anticipating and then admitting to carrying out the killings.

New footage, uploaded to a now-deleted YouTube account, shows in real time the state of mind and actions of Stacey Train and Gareth Train as they prepared for and carried out the killing of three people on their remote property in Queensland’s Western Downs.


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Police say that four police officers visited a property owned by the couple to do a welfare check on Gareth’s brother, Nathaniel Train, who had been reported missing. Two police officers and a neighbour were killed after an ambush. Police then fatally shot the trio after a six-hour stand-off.

The videos feature the likeness and voices of two people who refer to themselves as Daniel and Jane, the middle names of Gareth Daniel Train and Stacey Jane Train. Nathaniel Train does not appear in the videos.

A YouTube channel “Mrs Yugi Girawil” had only six subscribers, 10 videos and fewer than 100 views on the majority of their videos as of last night. The channel was created in May 2022 but all of the videos had been created since the beginning of November.

The videos show details about the Trains’ lives and the shooting, and were published prior to that information being reported in the media.

The most recent video shows Gareth and Stacey, huddled in darkness, telling the camera they had killed multiple people. The video was published at 7.39pm on Monday, several hours after four visiting police officers and a neighbour were reportedly fired on but prior to media reports with those details.

“They came to kill us and we killed them. If you don’t defend yourself against these devils and demons you’re a coward,” Gareth says.

“We’ll see you when we get home. We’ll see you at home, Don, love you,” Stacey says.

Videos and comments posted by the account earlier in the day foreshadow the attack. The account commented on its own video on Monday hinting at violence.

“After dealing with covert agents and tactics for sometime now, Daniel believes that should they choose to cross the rubicon with public state actors our Father is giving us a clear sign. Monsters and their heads are soon parted,” the account commented on a video posted earlier in the week.

A video posted at 1.41pm on Monday titled “Prepare for battle and be strangers on earth” combined apocalyptic graphics with a female voice reading from “2 Esdras”, an obscure book included in some versions of the Bible. The passage speaks about impending war, sinners being punished and Judgment Day.

“For of a city there shall be 10 left, and two of the field, which shall hide themselves in the thick groves, and in the clefts of the rocks,” the voice says.

Police sources told Guardian Australia that Gareth and Nathaniel were dressed in camouflage gear and ambushed the police officers.

The videos show a specific fixation with police, which peaked when NSW Police put out a missing persons report for Nathaniel on Thursday.
video posted on Sunday uses a picture of Nathaniel accompanied by a male voice reading out the report. It then goes on to make a claim that Nathaniel was a whistleblower for “high-level corruption” in the NSW Department of Education and NSW Police. Two videos posted the week before also menacingly insult four named police officers and speak of previous welfare checks about the property.

“‘Welfare checks’ aka state sponsored murder has started up again. These fools are stepping into a world of hurt they know nothing of,” the account commented on its own video last Friday.

Many of the account’s other videos are about conspiracy topics including vaccines (like a video that combined a clip of anti-vaccine New Zealand parents trying to stop their child from receiving a life-saving blood transfusion with a threat to “defend children to their last breath or answer for your cowardice”), illegal human experimentation program MKUltra, and ASIO boss Mike Burgess’ warning about COVID-19-related radicalisation and extremism.

Gareth had an extensive online history of interactions with obscure Australian conspiracy websites. Stacey quit her job at a school the day before a COVID-19 vaccine mandate came into effect. It also appears Gareth published his videos to an account on Rumble, a YouTube alternative that’s populated with hate speech and conspiracy theories.

Another video from early on the day of the shooting features a handwritten letter from Stacey to an obscure international Christian YouTuber. The note lamented an estrangement from her two children.

“Recently my husband and I lost both our adult children when they chose the world, rejecting us and the narrow path to take their wide road,” it said.

Gareth and Stacey have reportedly raised two children together.

One of their final acts appears to have been sending a last message to another obscure Christian YouTuber who frequently commented on their videos.

“THEY’VE CROSSED THE RUBICON,” Mrs Yugi Girawil posted at 5.39pm on Monday.

A Queensland Police Service spokesperson declined to comment about whether they were aware of the account prior to the attack or whether they asked YouTube’s parent company Google to take down the account.

“While the matter is currently being investigated, and respecting the sensitivities of the families involved, it would be inappropriate for the QPS to provide further comment at this time,” the spokesperson said.

Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
 

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This latest political beat up involving Perrottet is just that but if there isn't a photo around of Dom atttending his own 21st Birthday Party, he would be the first person ever not to have been photographed at such an occasion...probably need to expect a photo soon in order to continue the media frenzy.
 

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Gus was pretty close to Ayres. He will be disappointed for him.

SMH

"Key seats: With almost half of the votes counted, Labor has so far gained a 7.1 per cent statewide swing. Minns’ own seat of Kogarah, which he had held on a 0.1 per cent margin, saw a 16 per cent swing to Labor. In the most high-profile upset, former trade minister Stuart Ayres lost his marginal seat of Penrith to Labor’s Karen McKeown, although he refused to concede last night. The Liberals also surrendered Parramatta, East Hills, Riverstone, Heathcote, Ryde, Wakehurst and Camden, while Labor snared Monaro, South Coast and Terrigal, bringing its total claimed seats to a higher than expected 10. There are nine seats still in play, but those outcomes won’t be known until after counting resumes tomorrow."
 

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Doesn't hold back!

Great example tweeting that on public forum.
I meant Latham WD and his putrid opinions..not surprising he’d Tweet this vile..
Should step down from public office after this..it’s reprehensible..

But yeah good on Rimington..
 

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I meant Latham WD and his putrid opinions..not surprising he’d Tweet this vile..
Should step down from public office after this..it’s reprehensible..

But yeah good on Rimington..
Good on Pauline too for letting the public know there are some boundaries, and standards, within her Party.
 

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Latham just spoke the truth didn’t he?
 
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