Are Chinese cars built better than 10-15 year old fords/holdens?

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I do not own a Chinese car but surely in 2024, they would know how to build a car?

the older ford falcon and holden commodore are not known for their tight tolerances or panel gaps but plenty cab drivers would get 500,000km out of them. Not sure the Chinese cars would ever see 500,000km? Maybe 50,000km and they fall to bits ?
 
I will never, ever, EVER own a Chinese-built crap box, and as long as feasibly possible, I will not own a battery-operated EV piece of eggplant shit.

Those cars are so unreliable, so unsafe, and will be lucky to hit 50,000km.

I would rather own a Mahindra or whatever the f**k it's called.

It takes much more than something that's aesthetically pleasing to make it a good car - not that many (if any) of those Chinese shit boxes are aesthetically pleasing!
 
Buzz boxes are full of glitzy electronics so they suck in everyone with LED bullshit.
FTW with the V6 without V8 fuel economy
 
These days cars are built by robots, not people, so it doesn't really matter where they are manufactured. If the same robots are used to manufacture the parts and assemble the cars in Germany, Sweden, China, Thailand etc and complying to the same CAM programs then it doesn't really matter where the factories are.

What is more relevant is where the cars were designed, which is not always where you would think. For example the Ionic 5 is based on a design by Goigetto Giugiaro in Italy. Plus where the robots' programs are written, for example Volvos made in Sweden, USA, and China have designs from Sweden and Southern California with robots supplied by ABB based in Switzerland and programs written in Michigan.

It is well accepted that Telsas made in China are better quality control wise than Teslas made in the USA. Not that either of them are particularly good.

Basing a buying decision on where a car is made is not supported by the realities of car manufacturing these days, it's far too international for that.


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Love to see the Chinese car run with a massive cam, how many minutes do you reckon it would last.
 
So an xpeng G9 is as good as a Range Rover?


I think the Chinese cars lack that testing and durability.. they just sort of make em “close enough” and they sell em cheap .. if they can sell plenty and have to replace many they might still be ahead..

Look at car makers like Mazda, same design for years and years and just continuallly graft and perfect their product … make it simple and well..

the Chinese seem to bang on a few gizmos, copy a design and don’t worry about any testing,, make it quick, cheap and “good enough”

don’t people want quality?
 
So an xpeng G9 is as good as a Range Rover?

I think the Chinese cars lack that testing and durability.. they just sort of make em “close enough” and they sell em cheap .. if they can sell plenty and have to replace many they might still be ahead..

Look at car makers like Mazda, same design for years and years and just continuallly graft and perfect their product … make it simple and well..

the Chinese seem to bang on a few gizmos, copy a design and don’t worry about any testing,, make it quick, cheap and “good enough”

don’t people want quality?
Most Mazda models bound for Australia are made in Thailand and, as far as I know, only the CX-5 is made in Japan. Most USA Mazdas are built in Mexico and they also have plants in Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam. Mazdas are designed in their R&D facilities in Japan and Germany.

In regards to Chinese car makers, GWM for example currently has 10 R&D centers around the world, including Japan, USA, Germany, India, Austria and South Korea.


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Most Mazda models bound for Australia are made in Thailand and, as far as I know, only the CX-5 is made in Japan. Most USA Mazdas are built in Mexico and they also have plants in Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam. Mazdas are designed in their R&D facilities in Japan and Germany.

In regards to Chinese car makers, GWM for example currently has 10 R&D centers around the world, including Japan, USA, Germany, India, Austria and South Korea.


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I have a new Mazda 3 at home.. made in Japan.

it’s a quality car, simple but quality
 
I have a new Mazda 3 at home.. made in Japan.

it’s a quality car, simple but quality
Mazda3 GT's aren't simple. Loaded AF. Puts most Euros on show.

Would love to import the turbo AWD version.
 
Mazda3 GT's aren't simple. Loaded AF. Puts most Euros on show.

Would love to import the turbo AWD version.

yes agree that Mazda has all the luxury essentials and best in class interiors, but they are more focused on a robust drivetrain and quality touch points.. where the cheaper Chinese cars try and wow buyers with bigger screens, gimmick features and fake noises but give you a made of cheese drivetrain.

Reality is most buyers never lift the hood to see what engine is under.. but that in my
Opinion is what you are mainly paying for.. not the $20 gimmick features

I bought the Mazda 3 because its 2.5 engine has excellent torque, known to run forever and it uses a proper automatic gearbox not a cvt junk. Also best in class interior.. also have the red soul crystal

the Chinese cars think they fool people with a bigger screen, low price but they have a rubbish engine and loose suspension and a cvt gearbox..plus they put ling long tyres on them
 
yes agree that Mazda has all the luxury essentials and best in class interiors, but they are more focused on a robust drivetrain and quality touch points.. where the cheaper Chinese cars try and wow buyers with bigger screens, gimmick features and fake noises but give you a made of cheese drivetrain.

Reality is most buyers never lift the hood to see what engine is under.. but that in my
Opinion is what you are mainly paying for.. not the $20 gimmick features

I bought the Mazda 3 because its 2.5 engine has excellent torque, known to run forever and it uses a proper automatic gearbox not a cvt junk. Also best in class interior.. also have the red soul crystal

the Chinese cars think they fool people with a bigger screen, low price but they have a rubbish engine and loose suspension and a cvt gearbox..plus they put ling long tyres on them
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Need a car thread off season
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always loved the VL commodore / Nissan
Commodores will always outnumber Falcons, VL excecs pull 20G, XF Falcon pull 2500 but some falcons are good XE 351, EB 5.0 and the XB GT.
Never bought a buzz box except a Gemini for a work hack thirty years ago after my VL V8 got ripped off.
If I was gunna buy one would go nissan
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Commodores will always outnumber Falcons, VL excecs pull 20G, XF Falcon pull 2500 but some falcons are good XE 351, EB 5.0 and the XB GT.
Never bought a buzz box except a Gemini for a work hack thirty years ago after my VL V8 got ripped off.
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you gotta be a bit thick to pay $20k for a VL executive. Maybe if it’s turbo and mint condition
 
In 5 or so years time when the batteries have deprecated, the car will be worth pennies at best. They'll be just like the phone you chucked out 3 years after buying it because it's battery life couldn't make it past 2 hours.

I'll stick to my thirsty, but reliable as fuck - Aussie made Ford Barra engine.
 
So I'm in a friend's workshop one day in 1991 doing a wheel alignment on my first Twin Turbo car and a mate of mine brings one of these in that he bought brand new. It's about the same age, less than 12 months old, with about 5,000 k's on it.

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Seems it is pulling to the right, on the freeway, on suburban streets, at the drag strip, it always pulls to the right, from the day he bought it. Everyone has had a go at fixing it but it still pulls to the right, a couple of wheel alignment shops, the Holden Dealer he bought it from, tyre shop etc. We pop it on the wheel aligner, camber OK, Caster OK, toe OK, WTF is wrong with this thing?

So I pull out the trusty tape measure and measure from the centre of RHS rear wheel to the centre of RHS front wheel. Over to the LHS and measure it. FMD it is 18 mm shorter in the wheel base on the RHS than it is on the LHS. So I then measure the panel gaps with my trusty verniers (yes, I still have the dimensions);

LHS front guard to front of LHS door = 11mm.
RHS front guard to front of RHS door = 5mm.
LHS front door to front of LHS rear door = 10mm.
RHS front door to front of RHS door = 6mm.
LHS rear door to LHS rear gaurd = 9mm.
RHS rear door to RHS rear guard = 5mm.
Total 14mm shorter on the RHS compared to the LHS. The other 4mm, to make 18 mm, is in the location of the rear axle. The RHS wheel is more forward in the guard opening than the LHS.

Have you had an accident, no. No overspray, no signs of delivery accident damage repair. So we pop over to the Holden Dealer and have a chat to the service manager. After a couple of days he calls my mate and tells him that he has spoken to Holden and it is "Within Factory Tolerance". He calls Holden, rants and raves and eventually they tell him exactly the same thing, it is "Within Factory Tolerance".

Just for interest we measured up a few other VN's and they all had different panel gaps, all smaller on the LHS, none as bad as his, but none of them were "straight". Over the years I have done the same with panels gaps on lots of cars and Commodores from VB through to VS very often have noticeably disparate panel gaps.

Needless to say he traded it in a few months later.

On a modern 4 wheel laser based aligner that would show up as a Thrust Angle Alignment problem, as the rear axle line was not parallel to the front axle line. We didn't have that in 1991, all analogue back then.



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