Pokies thread

[lovemachine]

im entitled to my opinion and I think they're a scam that should be banned

What’s the scam?

 

[Psycho Doggie]

The house ultimately wins. The machines are deliberately designed to suck people in. I've dealt with too many people who have ended up hook line and sinker, it ruins lives. There is no such thing as an addictive personality, you can not easily predict from a group of people who sit in front of a machine for the first time which of them will get addicted and which won't. Good luck to those who don't, but if you've not given pokies a go before, you just don't know.

How electronic gambling machines work

This paper has been blind reviewed by an independent and unaffiliated expert in the field

aifs.gov.au

 

[chemdog]

What’s the scam?

its addiction and they scam u by making u lose majority of time

 

[Hacky McAxe]

The house ultimately wins. The machines are deliberately designed to suck people in. I've dealt with too many people who have ended up hook line and sinker, it ruins lives. There is no such thing as an addictive personality, you can not easily predict from a group of people who sit in front of a machine for the first time which of them will get addicted and which won't. Good luck to those who don't, but if you've not given pokies a go before, you just don't know.

How electronic gambling machines work

This paper has been blind reviewed by an independent and unaffiliated expert in the field

aifs.gov.au

I remember seeing a talk a while back about skill tester machines. The presenter pointed out that skill tester machines are designed on a ratio factor. If you have an item in there worth $5, then you set the factor at about $20. This means that a person can only win a $5 prize if $20 has been put in the machine. The "skill" part doesn't exist. It just means when it reaches that $20 point then it starts a randomiser. If someone gets lucky and wins the randomiser, then the claw gets full strength and can hold a toy. The rest of the time it cant hold the toy so you can't win.

After the presenter pointed this out and people were shocked, he said, "BTW, gambling machines are much worse than this"

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Or as a Mathematician friend put it....

"no one who really understands mathematics, plays Pokies"

 

[judyisapunk]

Not I e how so many are Chinese themed.

They have so many themes to pick from, particularly relating to fortune, prosperity, etc.. G-d damn awful machines!!

 

[judyisapunk]

"no one who really understands mathematics dopamine, plays Pokies"

 

[TABOO]

Blow up the Pokies. Except for Where's the Gold.

Where's the Gold and MOOOOOOORRRREEEE CHILLIIIIII

 

[N4TE]

I have a mate (he doesn’t touch them these days) but one night his idea to go to the Star Casino. I’m not a huge gambler I’ll put a $50 in every couple of months or whatever usually take it out on my first win and end up with what I put in back anyway this night he puts in $100 and on max bets wins the big feature $12,000 or something like that we are stoked and say let’s hit the town your paying. He wouldn’t leave at first it was a bit of a novelty yeah alright play it to $11,500 and you might hit another decent win but no we all got into a bit of an argument as the dickhead was loosing it all and getting the shits. I ended up saying we are all going mate come with us. He wouldn’t and it kind of turned a bit ugly so we said fuck ya we are going.

it wasn’t until years later that he admitted that he went and got help because he ended up staying to 10:00am the next day and ended up loosing $4500 of his own money so blew $16,500

 

[Alan79]

My nephew seems to play them the right way. A single 10c line on a lightning link has exactly the same chance to net you a $100 or $500 coin on a feature as a $2.50 spin on 10c with maximum lines. By giving yourself 25 spins you are more likely to get a feature before running out of money.

Less exciting because you might get a feature that pays $3. Instead of $30, but you won't throw as much in for the chance to win a decent amount.

 

[N4TE]

At my local in the inner west there is a bloke that comes in with tats head to toe with the designer eshay gear and tattoos on his face that say 81 which stands for HA and the1% tattoo so I’m assuming he is a Hells Angel and he puts in I don’t know like $5000 hits it until he finishes his beer then collects. Lol a bit obvious

 

[judyisapunk]

My nephew seems to play them the right way. A single 10c line on a lightning link has exactly the same chance to net you a $100 or $500 coin on a feature as a $2.50 spin on 10c with maximum lines. By giving yourself 25 spins you are more likely to get a feature before running out of money.

Less exciting because you might get a feature that pays $3. Instead of $30, but you won't throw as much in for the chance to win a decent amount.

Just waiting for the day he gets a random link jackpot.. I've seen them go off on machines doing tiny bets!

 

[Natboy]

I love all the huge machines in Vegas that have decent music and fun features like Willy Wonka, GOT etc. No nanny state gambling cards and $1 max bets there lol

 

[The DoggFather]

I prefer tables IE poker and Blackjack, where at least a bit of skill is required and not just sitting there pressing a filthy button and weird ***** tell you stories how they always just missed out on a jackpot lol

 

[The DoggFather]

Being in the security industry for nearly 2 decades, you learn a thing or two about those fuckers. I don't go out of my way to have a slap but aren't one of those lecturing people on them, but just remember, pubs, clubs and casinos are not charities, they are a for-profit business.

Still remember some old bloke telling me if you really hate someone and want to destroy them, don't give them drugs, or alcohol, teach them how to gamble.

 

[Alan79]

Just waiting for the day he gets a random link jackpot.. I've seen them go off on machines doing tiny bets!

It makes sense that someone playing a sustainable amount is likely to get a big jackpot. I've thrown $50 in and it's gone in 5 minutes doing $2.50 spins. If I do 10c spins that same $50 gives me 500 chances at a hold and spin.

 

[judyisapunk]

It makes sense that someone playing a sustainable amount is likely to get a big jackpot. I've thrown $50 in and it's gone in 5 minutes doing $2.50 spins. If I do 10c spins that same $50 gives me 500 chances at a hold and spin.

It depends.. like link jackpots can go off on any machines, but some machines you either can't get majors/grands on low bets, or it's extremely low odds compared to anybody betting in the dollars. A lot of the lightning machines for example you won't even see major or grand in the reels.

 

[judyisapunk]

Still remember some old bloke telling me if you really hate someone and want to destroy them, don't give them drugs, or alcohol, teach them how to gamble.

My ex really did hate me

 

[Mackdoggies]

Pokies are really just basic algorithm machines. They are programmed to pay 90c on every dollar. So every $1 that goes into the machine they make 10c which never pays back out. Some poor person may pump $1000 in, walk away, and the little granny walks up next and chucks in $10 and wins $900.

You can get features on as little as 1c bets but as your bet increases so does the frequency of link features. Doesn’t necessarily mean those features are more likely to pay jackpots.

Because the house always makes their 10c on each $1 they are literally a licence to print money for clubs and the government. Every single drug dealer on the street plays pokies because if you get caught with drugs and cash you lose that cash, but if you pull a receipt out for a $5k win on the pokies then you have “clean” money. Lowest level of money laundering basically. Usually it’s the little grannies that get the payout after the crackhead blows all his cash but haha.

 

[Mackdoggies]

I remember seeing a talk a while back about skill tester machines. The presenter pointed out that skill tester machines are designed on a ratio factor. If you have an item in there worth $5, then you set the factor at about $20. This means that a person can only win a $5 prize if $20 has been put in the machine. The "skill" part doesn't exist. It just means when it reaches that $20 point then it starts a randomiser. If someone gets lucky and wins the randomiser, then the claw gets full strength and can hold a toy. The rest of the time it cant hold the toy so you can't win.

After the presenter pointed this out and people were shocked, he said, "BTW, gambling machines are much worse than this"

To an extent yea. You still need to get the basic skill part right but the final decision on whether you get the prize is done by algorithm. Stacker machines are always popular. All the first lines before top 3 are skill based. The top 3 levels are done by algorithm so even when you time your press perfect it will skip past it and knock you out. Claw machines you have to line it up perfectly yourself but the machine decides whether it will make the claw arms rigid or not. If it’s not time to pay out yet the claw will not lift the prize. They are fully adjustable for the value they pay out at.