Coronavirus.

[Hacky McAxe]

Also there's a YouTubed named Anomaly that spells it all out for you how it's not that real.

Why am I not surprised that you get your scientific data from YouTube?

 

[Nasheed]

A couple of problems there:

1) You said it has a 0.4% kill rate (99.6% survival rate) then said "it's just the flu +25%". A bad flu is a 0.1% kill rate which means it would be just the flu + 300%

2) 0.4% of the earth's population is over 29 million people. 0.4% of Australia's population is nearly 100,000 people

1.The flu + 25% intensity would probably have a multiplier effect of 300% of what you say. So both right I guess.

2. that is extreme. There is no scenario where 100% of the population will get the virus. In a worst case scenario the herd immunity will kick in when 40% of the population get it. Even Sweden where they don't care, only 15% of the population have caught it.

The trick is to quarantine the old and open up.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

1.The flu + 25% intensity would probably have a multiplier effect of 300% of what you say. So both right I guess.

2. that is extreme. There is no scenario where 100% of the population will get the virus. In a worst case scenario the herd immunity will kick in when 40% of the population get it. Even Sweden where they don't care, only 15% of the population have caught it.

The trick is to quarantine the old and open up.

Possibly. But herd immunity is based on an equation (taking infection rate and some other factors) that generally results in around 75 - 85% of the population needing to be infected for herd immunity. So it wouldn't be 100,000 Aussies. More like 75,000 - 85,000

 

[Nasheed]

Possibly. But herd immunity is based on an equation (taking infection rate and some other factors) that generally results in around 75 - 85% of the population needing to be infected for herd immunity. So it wouldn't be 100,000 Aussies. More like 75,000 - 85,000

We will never have more than half the population infected, so to continue your train of thought we are talking 50k.
BUT! How many of those 50k would have died anyway? Remember they are old and have pre. existing conditions. Will be a huge chunk.

also take into account people who die as a result of the lockdown. there would be a few.

this thirty year old bitch I know who survived is a real eye opener.
if corona really did kill a youngster, then she should be dead. She literally stop breathes during the day and gets hospitalised with chronic asthma. When she got it I thought she would be dead in two weeks and even sent a RIP message and suggested she gets her orders in affair.

she didn't breeze through it. She got oxygen for a day and recovered and it pissed me off because I realise this virus isn't the killer they say it is. Yes it kills but you're already on your way out or are very sick.

 

[Lov_Dog]

@Hacky McAxe ... in your broad exposure to corona-related content, any research involving recovered case harvesting of antibodies for immunization purposes?
Rather than an attenuated vaccine approach, is there possibility of an antibody transplant?

Here's hoping!!

FDA Issues Emergency Use Authorization for Convalescent Plasma as Potential Promising COVID–19 Treatment, Another Achievement in Administration’s Fight Against Pandemic

Today, FDA issued an EUA for convalescent plasma as part of ongoing efforts to fight COVID-19.

www.fda.gov

Kicker for stats folks: "Statistically significant 37% reduction in mortality in those treated with high titer convalescent plasma (p=0.03)"
Plus
Limited (to no) detail related to number of patients at each different titer level
37% reduction is from 10% to 6.3% error bars from each titer level overlap

 

[Mr 95%]

Here's hoping!!

FDA Issues Emergency Use Authorization for Convalescent Plasma as Potential Promising COVID–19 Treatment, Another Achievement in Administration’s Fight Against Pandemic

Today, FDA issued an EUA for convalescent plasma as part of ongoing efforts to fight COVID-19.

www.fda.gov

View attachment 16531
Kicker for stats folks: "Statistically significant 37% reduction in mortality in those treated with high titer convalescent plasma (p=0.03)"
Plus
Limited (to no) detail related to number of patients at each different titer level
37% reduction is from 10% to 6.3% error bars from each titer level overlap

Posts like this is why we need a best post icon!!!!

 

[Lov_Dog]

Posts like this is why we need a best post icon!!!!

Thanks my buddy @Mr 95% <3 !

 

[Dawgfather]

I can't believe what I'm seeing in Australia.

Arresting a pregnant woman (and putting her in handcuffs in her own home) for a facebook post about a potential protest this Saturday.

I'm not sure how her husband (I'm assuming the guy in the video is her husband) kept his cool. If that was me I would have been struggling to contain my rage.

Cops ‘satisfied’ with anti-masker arrest

A pregnant anti-lockdown protester, who live-streamed her arrest on social media, has broken her silence about the clip that seems to have divided the internet.

www.news.com.au

This used to be a (largely) free country where we enjoyed far more rights than most of the world. We've now gone the opposite way and appear to have less rights than some 3rd world countries (for example we are not allowed to even leave the country without a govt exemption).

 

[south of heaven]

I can't believe what I'm seeing in Australia.

Arresting a pregnant woman (and putting her in handcuffs in her own home) for a facebook post about a potential protest this Saturday.

I'm not sure how her husband (I'm assuming the guy in the video is her husband) kept his cool. If that was me I would have been struggling to contain my rage.

Cops ‘satisfied’ with anti-masker arrest

A pregnant anti-lockdown protester, who live-streamed her arrest on social media, has broken her silence about the clip that seems to have divided the internet.

www.news.com.au

This used to be a (largely) free country where we enjoyed far more rights than most of the world. We've now gone the opposite way and appear to have less rights than some 3rd world countries (for example we are not allowed to even leave the country without a govt exemption).

The dumb **** wanted a reaction she got one ,***** give their lives for this country all we got to do is alter our lifestyle a bit for a virus we don't know the full effects of

 

[south of heaven]

Thanks my buddy @Mr 95% <3 !

Love dog how you doing champion?

 

[The DoggFather]

I can't believe what I'm seeing in Australia.

Arresting a pregnant woman (and putting her in handcuffs in her own home) for a facebook post about a potential protest this Saturday.

I'm not sure how her husband (I'm assuming the guy in the video is her husband) kept his cool. If that was me I would have been struggling to contain my rage.

Cops ‘satisfied’ with anti-masker arrest

A pregnant anti-lockdown protester, who live-streamed her arrest on social media, has broken her silence about the clip that seems to have divided the internet.

www.news.com.au

This used to be a (largely) free country where we enjoyed far more rights than most of the world. We've now gone the opposite way and appear to have less rights than some 3rd world countries (for example we are not allowed to even leave the country without a govt exemption).

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Fuck all protesters, achieves nothing and pissed off normal people.

 

[Dawgfather]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Fuck all protesters, achieves nothing and pissed off normal people.

I was hoping for a bit more of a debate around the idea that government can take away many of your rights whenever they want, such as:

Freedom of movement
Freedom of protest

Also, previous laws designed to ensure that government didn't over extend their power (e.g. 6 month time limit on state of emergency powers), have simply been changed to suit the Vic govt (they've changed it so they can essentially extend these powers as long as they'd like (assuming crossbench continues voting with them).

A few inconsistencies:

Why are we arresting people who put a protest post on facebook, but failed to investigate and arrest the organisers and people who attended the Black Lives Matter protests just a few short months ago? Is is because the BLM march did not threaten Daniel Andrews grip on power, whereas a protest with thousands of people may send a clear signal that people are sick of government over reach?

Why is there a curfew in Melbourne but no where else in the western world despite melbourne's case numbers and deaths not even coming close to the damage the virus did in most other major western cities?

And the obvious question - why have they sent their entire population (including those who are young fit and healthy, into house arrest, when the virus clearly is a serious risk only to those above the age of 60 or 70 and those who have pre existing illnesses (94% of all american deaths from Covid are those with pre existing illnesses) - https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions

 

[Hacky McAxe]

I strongly stand against her getting arrested for something she posted on social media, but I also side with stopping stupidity and conspiracy theory. It has spread like a plague online and has started causing deaths and hindering aid efforts.

 

[Lov_Dog]

Love dog how you doing champion?

Dude, the concept of not being able to safely travel home is playing on my mind at the moment. Alas, I consider those genuinely stuck overseas and consider myself blessed to be an essential here! Singapore is very lucky - we've survived the second wave and have minimal community transmission - thankfully there is a staggered, pragmatic approach to reopening - and it's working for us!

AUS gov is now helping out those stuck https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/COVID-19/covid-19-overseas-financial-assistance - hope it reaches those in need!

Thanks for checking in Southy - happy to hear report from you too
~c.

 

[The DoggFather]

Dude, the concept of not being able to safely travel home is playing on my mind at the moment. Alas, I consider those genuinely stuck overseas and consider myself blessed to be an essential here! Singapore is very lucky - we've survived the second wave and have minimal community transmission - thankfully there is a staggered, pragmatic approach to reopening - and it's working for us!

AUS gov is now helping out those stuck https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/COVID-19/covid-19-overseas-financial-assistance - hope it reaches those in need!

Thanks for checking in Southy - happy to hear report from you too
~c.

Well you have us, your online family.

Plus you have better food there

 

[The DoggFather]

I was hoping for a bit more of a debate around the idea that government can take away many of your rights whenever they want, such as:

Freedom of movement
Freedom of protest

Also, previous laws designed to ensure that government didn't over extend their power (e.g. 6 month time limit on state of emergency powers), have simply been changed to suit the Vic govt (they've changed it so they can essentially extend these powers as long as they'd like (assuming crossbench continues voting with them).

A few inconsistencies:

Why are we arresting people who put a protest post on facebook, but failed to investigate and arrest the organisers and people who attended the Black Lives Matter protests just a few short months ago? Is is because the BLM march did not threaten Daniel Andrews grip on power, whereas a protest with thousands of people may send a clear signal that people are sick of government over reach?

Why is there a curfew in Melbourne but no where else in the western world despite melbourne's case numbers and deaths not even coming close to the damage the virus did in most other major western cities?

And the obvious question - why have they sent their entire population (including those who are young fit and healthy, into house arrest, when the virus clearly is a serious risk only to those above the age of 60 or 70 and those who have pre existing illnesses (94% of all american deaths from Covid are those with pre existing illnesses) - https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions

Not much debate when clearly the government uses cause and effect. They wait for shit like this to increase "security and safety" while decreasing freedom and privacy.

I still think we haven't seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to new measures.

You even find staunch atheists calling any new measures and laws as the mark of the beast.

 

[Lov_Dog]

Well you have us, your online family.

Plus you have better food there

Chosen fam <3

 

[Dawgfather]

Not much debate when clearly the government uses cause and effect. They wait for shit like this to increase "security and safety" while decreasing freedom and privacy.

I still think we haven't seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to new measures.

You even find staunch atheists calling any new measures and laws as the mark of the beast.

Tbh I think that IF a few thousand people protested in the centre of Melbourne on Saturday, it would remove all the power for the govt and police to do what they're doing down there.

The only reason it hasn't happened is they've scared the bejesus out of everyone in terms of the virus (it is not that deadly and is only deadly to a tiny fraction of the community) as well as fines (enormous fines if you dare to oppose the Vic Govt).

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Tbh I think that IF a few thousand people protested in the centre of Melbourne on Saturday, it would remove all the power for the govt and police to do what they're doing down there.

The only reason it hasn't happened is they've scared the bejesus out of everyone in terms of the virus (it is not that deadly and is only deadly to a tiny fraction of the community) as well as fines (enormous fines if you dare to oppose the Vic Govt).

So their tactic worked pretty well then?

Scared people out of protesting and spreading a virus all because they believed someone online who said "it is not that deadly" when the evidence suggests otherwise.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

BTW, if anyone is curious about the latest data, it does mainly hit people over 55 with 55 year olds having a death rate of about 4 times a really bad flu season. 65 year olds the death rate is about 13 times a really bad flu season. 45 times as bad for 75 year olds, and 150 times as bad for 85 year olds. Much lower rates for those under 55 but those under 55 still make up about 10% of the deaths.

Assessing the Age Specificity of Infection Fatality Rates for COVID-19: Systematic Review, Meta-Analysis, and Public Policy Implications

This paper assesses the age specificity of the infection fatality rate (IFR) for COVID-19 using seroprevalence results from eight national studies and fifteen regional studies as well as five countries that have engaged in comprehensive tracing of COVID-19 infections. The estimated IFR is close...

www.medrxiv.org

Population wise, that's about 6.5 million people who will have at least a 4x higher chance of dying from Covid-19 than the flu. But 6.5 million is obviously only a "tiny fraction of the community"