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I was thinking the same thingLets just backend some more contracts, problem solved.
Just keep the back ended contracts rolling along for eternity
I was thinking the same thingLets just backend some more contracts, problem solved.
Dib thought he could do what Politis does - offload good players for better players which is what the roosters do when someone better comes along.At the time fat Ray thought he had the numbers and power to increase the cap
Hmm. Bareback Mountain takes on a whole new meaning.I was thinking the same thing
Just keep the back ended contracts rolling along for eternity
Yes. Its exactly this. I just didn't have the time to detail it! Your spot on. Its like they are shining the spotlight on the Bulldogs whilst in the cover of the night Roosters, Storm, south's and Brisbane are wreaking salary cap havock of greater proportion.On top of that $2400k you mentioned mate,there's Graham's money ($500k) + Salary cap increases of at least $200k minimum,probably more,the 11 other players which have to be on minimum wage of $100k at best,probably some are on bigger money.So even if we use the least possible money of:
$2400k + $500k + $200k + $1100k =4200k.
So they are trying to tell us,$4200k will not cover all backended contracts + 14 new players,some of which will bw on minimum wage.I don't believe these dudes will know if you're up them,fair dinkum.
There is no way they would have access to players contracts,third party agreements would probably prohibit that from happening.Just in case they are in agreement with other players from other clubs.It could put them in an embarrassing position and can cause conflict of interests especially if some consideration is required by the player.It could also cause problems if the money involved favor one player more then the other.
Do they know which contracts have third party agreements and which contract's back ended deals are impacted by third party agreements?
Do they know if any contracts have any bonus clauses?
Do they know who gets other Benefits like Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs that are not included in the cap but can be taken as salary sacrifice if approved by NRL?
Do they know who has vehicle allowances (five motor vehicles valued at $20,000 each,outside the salary cap) but can be taken as salary sacrifice.?
Which players are effected by Veteran and Developed Player Allowance which is $200k?
Details of the $300k paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards players' Retirement Account Contribution,which is on top of the $9.1m cap?
Details of $100k paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards their administration funding,which is on top of the $9.1m cap?
I doubt it brother.NRL contracts are not a few scribbles with 1 number,I know of a law firm that makes a living putting these contracts together.
Why would the not ratify it? Next year we have 800k to spend we just have to sign nobodies, if you think it’s bullshit go talk to some player managersIf this was all true the NRL wouldn’t have ratified Coggers signing. It’s bullshit based on the fact they think we will retain Eastwood and the Morris’s. I can easily see Mbye, Tolman and Klemmer being back ended but Woods and Foran wouldn’t have been signed off after the Manly saga. It’s bullshit. Let’s move on
All of which is true but don't forget Woods and Foran were signed during the transitionary period between caps and with Dib arguing that the cap would be $10m+ the NRL by not having a cap in place for 2018+ meant they couldn't argue at the margins. That's why Graham was pushed. That only happened after the cap was formally announced and we were shot. Same thing applies to next year as well. The early indicative cap of $11m gave the Board the capacity to sign off on escalating contracts for the top 7 or 8 players and now it is more than $1m less for next year we have no room to move. The finding of 14 players with only $800k to spend is a furphy but the fact remains we will have to offload players this year and will only recruit kids to replace them. The good news is that all of our existing good young kids coming through are secured for the next couple of years or so.My understanding is that it's more in depth than that, because the NRL got sick of clubs breaching the cap. That's why they will not approve a signature until a club proves they are complaint. That's why in the past clubs have had to move on players before they can sign a player who isn't even due at the club till the following season.
EXAMPLE:
NRL Salary Cap 2019: $10 million
NRL Salary Cap 2020: $10.1 million
NRL Salary Cap 2021: $10.2 million
NRL Salary Cap 2022: $10.5 million
Dogs: "Hey we'd like to sign Jim Smith on a $2 million contract over 4 years."
NRL: "Okay and how is that broken up"
Dogs: "Year 1 400, Year 2 400, Year 3 400, Year 4 800"
NRL: "No worries that's approved *punches into their system"
Dogs already have $9.5 million signed for all years.
2019: $9.9 million
2020: $9.9 million
2021: $9.9 million
2022: $10.3 million
Dogs: "Hey we'd like to sign John Doe on a $600,000 contract over 4 years."
NRL: "Okay and how is that broken up"
Dogs: "Year 1 100, Year 2 100, Year 3 100, Year 4 300"
NRL: "Sorry we can't register that, you are compliant in 2019, 2020, 2021, but not 2022"
So it's a glass half full scenario. Keep the current side but not recruit anyone, or release players to have room to recruit?All of which is true but don't forget Woods and Foran were signed during the transitionary period between caps and with Dib arguing that the cap would be $10m+ the NRL by not having a cap in place for 2018+ meant they couldn't argue at the margins. That's why Graham was pushed. That only happened after the cap was formally announced and we were shot. Same thing applies to next year as well. The early indicative cap of $11m gave the Board the capacity to sign off on escalating contracts for the top 7 or 8 players and now it is more than $1m less for next year we have no room to move. The finding of 14 players with only $800k to spend is a furphy but the fact remains we will have to offload players this year and will only recruit kids to replace them. The good news is that all of our existing good young kids coming through are secured for the next couple of years or so.
When you say we will have to offload players though is that not counting Eastwood and the morris bros though? I don’t think anyone really expected to res-sign those guys anyway. Will we still be in trouble even with those guys gone and just replaced with minimum wage guys?All of which is true but don't forget Woods and Foran were signed during the transitionary period between caps and with Dib arguing that the cap would be $10m+ the NRL by not having a cap in place for 2018+ meant they couldn't argue at the margins. That's why Graham was pushed. That only happened after the cap was formally announced and we were shot. Same thing applies to next year as well. The early indicative cap of $11m gave the Board the capacity to sign off on escalating contracts for the top 7 or 8 players and now it is more than $1m less for next year we have no room to move. The finding of 14 players with only $800k to spend is a furphy but the fact remains we will have to offload players this year and will only recruit kids to replace them. The good news is that all of our existing good young kids coming through are secured for the next couple of years or so.
Wouldn't put my house on it but I think the loss of Mozzes and Eastwood is what is being talked about. Replace them with Cogger and 2 other young blokes either from within or elsewhere. Bottom line is there is no recruitment action being undertaken to secure established players for this year or next. 2020 is the next window for an existing good player to come on board. So I would assume at the end of this season or early next will be the first time an announcement on a good player can be made.When you say we will have to offload players though is that not counting Eastwood and the morris bros though? I don’t think anyone really expected to res-sign those guys anyway. Will we still be in trouble even with those guys gone and just replaced with minimum wage guys?
It was one of them (Grant I think but not sure). In the modern world a blokes word is never really his word. It is only ever something indicative. There are all sorts of caveats applied to every statement a CEO or Chairperson makes so we just have to accept things the way they are and get on with it. There's no getting away from the fact that Dib gambled on the cap and lost though and that is really why we are in this predicament.So it's a glass half full scenario. Keep the current side but not recruit anyone, or release players to have room to recruit?
Was this a Dave Smith or a John Grant fuckup? I recall one shootintg their mouth off before the cap was decided and all the clubs in NRL based it on that.
If anything NOBODY should face cap scrutiny based on that fuckup. Clubs couldn't be expected to sit around on their hands whilst players came up for offer.
If anything it should be a "whoops we fucked up" soft cap is (as initially indicated), but will stay that way for 20xx period.
To punish a side based on the fuckups of previous administration, is a cop out.
Pfffft.... 14 players off contract. What a load of hogwash. As if the club is going to tell the stupid media what the real number of off contract players areYes. Its exactly this. I just didn't have the time to detail it! Your spot on. Its like they are shining the spotlight on the Bulldogs whilst in the cover of the night Roosters, Storm, south's and Brisbane are wreaking salary cap havock of greater proportion.
It’s common knowledge which players from all clubs are coming off contract...Pfffft.... 14 players off contract. What a load of hogwash. As if the club is going to tell the stupid media what the real number of off contract players are
Morris boys and Eastwood are gone. Offloading players means players that are contracted but we need to free up cap space to put together a full 30 man squad.When you say we will have to offload players though is that not counting Eastwood and the morris bros though? I don’t think anyone really expected to res-sign those guys anyway. Will we still be in trouble even with those guys gone and just replaced with minimum wage guys?
Yes we will maybe 1 or 2 good contracted players. It’s a must, but it’s not that bad in the grand scheme of things. I’d be happy to release Foran, I like him, I think he needs a good halfback next to him for him to excel but he is no where near good enough to be on the money he’s reportedly on. His body is shot. Don’t know how he’s going to last 3 years. The old administration paid way over for some players.It’s common knowledge which players from all clubs are coming off contract...
Morris boys and Eastwood are gone. Offloading players means players that are contracted but we need to free up cap space to put together a full 30 man squad.
We will lose a few good contracted players mark my word.
Yes we will maybe 1 or 2 good contracted players. It’s a must, but it’s not that bad in the grand scheme of things. I’d be happy to release Foran, I like him, I think he needs a good halfback next to him for him to excel but he is no where near good enough to be on the money he’s reportedly on. His body is shot. Don’t know how he’s going to last 3 years. The old administration paid way over for some players.
By the way, does anybody have a list of those 14 supposedly off contract at the end of the year?
So let’s start:
1.Bmoz
2.Jmoz
3.Eastwood
Who are the rest?
I know some of the legal firms that are involved in the formation of a lot of NRL's contracts (Agreements) personally.Currently I'm using one of these firm's services to assist with commercial contracts made under common law.That are subject to my client's defense,listed in front of the Supreme Court against the Crime Commission.There is no way a journalist can know or a player's managers can disclose any of the Agreement's details without being in violation under common law.This is the reason why.Why would the not ratify it? Next year we have 800k to spend we just have to sign nobodies, if you think it’s bullshit go talk to some player managers
For starters Lachlan Burr and Tom Carr are second tier players and thus are excluded from the 30 man squad in relation to the salary cap for the first grade squad. So that’s 12 to feed off $800k not 14. Now if the club can offload 2 decent contracted players and potentially save $1m, we will have $1.8m to share amongst 12. Most of these players will be fringe first graders, give them $150k each. I don’t think it’s as bad as what the media makes it out to be.