Margaret Court.. were the project hosts disgraceful?

[Hacky McAxe]

(A) You said "IF" they attend
(B) No church that I know condones this type of behavior that I know of, and if they do, they are in a minority.

There's a few. When the debate over gay marriage reached a peak many years back there were many churches that came out saying that they would marry gay couples if it becomes legal. Some said they would do it even if it wasn't legal (which is a nice gesture but it means nothing if it's not legal)

There were even some Catholic Churches that came out in support of gay marriage buy the Pope said that anyone who carries out a gay marriage ceremony, even if it's legalised, will he excommunicated.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

That was for Australia, but here's an interesting stance for the US

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/21/where-christian-churches-stand-on-gay-marriage/

One very important thing to note is that when gay marriage was legalised in America the stipulation was that the churches could still refuse to marry homosexual couples. This is the same stance that many supporters of gay marriage take. Allowing the freedom of the church to carry out SSM ceremonies but also allowing the church to refuse to carry out those ceremonies.

 

[Utility]

Of course tennis would create lesbians if i were a chic and had this grunting and groaning at me for an hour id be jumping the net and sticking my tounge up her butt while rubbing the fuck out of my bean View attachment 2949

Are they that desperate for ratings at Wimbledon? Who am I kidding? I'd watch!

 

[Realist90]

That was for Australia, but here's an interesting stance for the US

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/21/where-christian-churches-stand-on-gay-marriage/

One very important thing to note is that when gay marriage was legalised in America the stipulation was that the churches could still refuse to marry homosexual couples. This is the same stance that many supporters of gay marriage take. Allowing the freedom of the church to carry out SSM ceremonies but also allowing the church to refuse to carry out those ceremonies.

I want those Christian churches that are for gay marriage to unchristianise their churches lol. Fucken pc Christians these days are the worst type of pc *****

 

[Utility]

I want those Christian churches that are for gay marriage to unchristianise their churches lol. Fucken pc Christians these days are the worst type of pc *****

Haha how are they going you unchristianise?

Ok folks, Jesus is out...flying spaghetti monster is in! I know it's a big change and everything.... for more than 2000 years Christianity has been pretty heavily pro Jesus...but we're committed to this same sex marriage cause...so, we had to make a tough decision and Jesus is out. Please hand in your Jesus fishes and return all bibles for revision and editing.

 

[Realist90]

Haha how are they going you unchristianise?

Ok folks, Jesus is out...flying spaghetti monster is in! I know it's a big change and everything.... for more than 2000 years Christianity has been pretty heavily pro Jesus...but we're committed to this same sex marriage cause...so, we had to make a tough decision and Jesus is out. Please hand in your Jesus fishes and return all bibles for revision and editing.

Hahahaha they can call Jesus another name and create a new bible haha

 

[Wolfmother]

Why do gays want to marry anyway?
What life changing event are they gearing up for that they need to commit to each other?

As a female / male the chances are high that their life will undergo a major upheaval by the actions that they will be performing which will require a commitment by both sides to ideally raise children.

I just don't see the practical side of 2 same sex couples getting married , what's the investment , it just seems over the top and unnecessary.

Are they just doing it to look for respect ?

 

[Alan79]

As an adult I dont oppose gay marriage but from the perspective of a parent I do, its debatable whether being gay is a lifestyle choice or not but by showcasing it and blending SSM into everyday life it has the power of 'normality' which will influence children.
If children are a product of their environment then what makes being gay exempt from being emulated ? Kids are sponges and are highly influenced by their surroundings , whatever their surroundings are ... by the time they're 7 they have pretty much formed life long values that define their choices. So , knowing this , is it irresponsible to include SSM as the norm?

Aristotle said 'give me a child until he's seven and I will show you the man'

In the small country town where I lived through my last few years of high school one of my mates from then and through university was bought up by a strictly catholic household. There were no same sex couples I recall in the area but regardless of the lack of influences that would normalise the idea as you put it, my mate was a deeply in the closet homosexual. For the five years I knew him through school and university he spent much of that time trying to convince himself that he could live a lie and enjoy a life where he denied his sexual urges. During this time he had many unhappy flings with women. Some of whom I'd have given a nut to do the horizontal ballroom dance with, others who I'd class as hideous swamp monsters if I'm being honest.

This all culminated with him attempting suicide. Our social group at the time eventually got him to confide about why he'd tried to off himself. With his families religious background he had been indoctrinated into the idea that his true desires were pure evil. He hated what he knew he was and thought that morally and socially what he wanted could never and should never be accepted.

You may think that it's a choice to be gay straight or bisexual but my friends struggle convinced me otherwise. Society shouldn't put people in situations where they feel that their being what they are is wrong. Normalizing acceptance to children might or might not lead to more if them growing up and experimenting with their sexuality, but shaming people who have no real choice in the matter is an evil thing in my opinion.

 

[Wahesh]

There's a few. When the debate over gay marriage reached a peak many years back there were many churches that came out saying that they would marry gay couples if it becomes legal. Some said they would do it even if it wasn't legal (which is a nice gesture but it means nothing if it's not legal)

There were even some Catholic Churches that came out in support of gay marriage buy the Pope said that anyone who carries out a gay marriage ceremony, even if it's legalised, will he excommunicated.

This is correct.

 

[Wolfmother]

In the small country town where I lived through my last few years of high school one of my mates from then and through university was bought up by a strictly catholic household. There were no same sex couples I recall in the area but regardless of the lack of influences that would normalise the idea as you put it, my mate was a deeply in the closet homosexual. For the five years I knew him through school and university he spent much of that time trying to convince himself that he could live a lie and enjoy a life where he denied his sexual urges. During this time he had many unhappy flings with women. Some of whom I'd have given a nut to do the horizontal ballroom dance with, others who I'd class as hideous swamp monsters if I'm being honest.

This all culminated with him attempting suicide. Our social group at the time eventually got him to confide about why he'd tried to off himself. With his families religious background he had been indoctrinated into the idea that his true desires were pure evil. He hated what he knew he was and thought that morally and socially what he wanted could never and should never be accepted.

You may think that it's a choice to be gay straight or bisexual but my friends struggle convinced me otherwise. Society shouldn't put people in situations where they feel that their being what they are is wrong. Normalizing acceptance to children might or might not lead to more if them growing up and experimenting with their sexuality, but shaming people who have no real choice in the matter is an evil thing in my opinion.

thanks for sharing that, I too , had the same type of experience but with a work mate except he wasn't from a catholic family but from an aethiest but strict Chinese family who were a family of doctors , 5 siblings all studying medicine except my mate, mum was a professor and dad was some medical specialist . He was around 20 at the time and was working with me at qantas.
We were tight and hung out all the time with my other girlfriends.. Didn't have an inkling that he was gay though . Then one day I turn up to work and I was told he was in hospital tried to overdose on some drugs he'd found at home!!
Wtf I was in complete shock , I raced over to see him and he told me he was gay and wanted to end his life because is parents would never accept him and he didn't accept himself .
He got counselling and eventually came good , but what stuck in my mind was that as a child his chauffeur had sexually abused him .
A couple of years down the track his 2 younger brothers (twins) 'came out' too and they'd suffered the same sexual abuse from the chauffeur as well.
His father died not long after that and I suspect it was from suicide from the enormity of the situation but has never been confirmed.

I'm not saying that there's been any interference with your friend but just wanted to put it out there that children are suspetible to outside influences and that's why I'm dubious in accepting SSM because it has the potential of changing a child's inherent perspective.

 

[DoggiesBoy]

This is correct.

Funny how Catholics can be against homosexuals(even though their supposed 'god' created them) yet have so many sick fucking pedophile priests and countless other followers of their church that covered up what these servants of gods word did. All good, they can go into a little confession box and all is forgiven right.

 

[Wahesh]

Funny how Catholics can be against homosexuals(even though their supposed 'god' created them) yet have so many sick fucking pedophile priests and countless other followers of their church that covered up what these servants of gods word did. All good, they can go into a little confession box and all is forgiven right.

I will tell you, as well as anyone else who is a true Catholic, that those sick fucks can go to the deepest, darkest, fiery pits of hell. They are an absolute disgrace to the religion, and can go suck on a monkeys anus.

 

[CroydonDog]

I will tell you, as well as anyone else who is a true Catholic, that those sick fucks can go to the deepest, darkest, fiery pits of hell. They are an absolute disgrace to the religion, and can go suck on a monkeys anus.

I don't doubt what you are saying (any decent person would be disgusted) - but why then does the church as an entity continue to engage in such cover ups, especially in the developing world, where the church wield so much power? Look at that priest in Mexico last year. He raped at least 30 kids from a poor and vulnerable background, knowing he had HIV and was completely "forgiven"? It's this sort of shit that will continue to dog the Church (and its followers), and i do appreciate of course one individual cannot change the world, but what has to happen for this shit to stop? Maybe its not the church so much, as it is third world corruption?

I'm not asking you to solve the problem personally more just thinking out loud....

Sorry, straying off topic and into the religious realm a bit.

 

[CroydonDog]

thanks for sharing that, I too , had the same type of experience but with a work mate except he wasn't from a catholic family but from an aethiest but strict Chinese family who were a family of doctors , 5 siblings all studying medicine except my mate, mum was a professor and dad was some medical specialist . He was around 20 at the time and was working with me at qantas.
We were tight and hung out all the time with my other girlfriends.. Didn't have an inkling that he was gay though . Then one day I turn up to work and I was told he was in hospital tried to overdose on some drugs he'd found at home!!
Wtf I was in complete shock , I raced over to see him and he told me he was gay and wanted to end his life because is parents would never accept him and he didn't accept himself .
He got counselling and eventually came good , but what stuck in my mind was that as a child his chauffeur had sexually abused him .
A couple of years down the track his 2 younger brothers (twins) 'came out' too and they'd suffered the same sexual abuse from the chauffeur as well.
His father died not long after that and I suspect it was from suicide from the enormity of the situation but has never been confirmed.

I'm not saying that there's been any interference with your friend but just wanted to put it out there that children are suspetible to outside influences and that's why I'm dubious in accepting SSM because it has the potential of changing a child's inherent perspective.

That's a cultural thing - my Chinese mother in law still lives in denial about her daughter (my sister in law) being a lesbian. She knows she is one, but I think still secretly hopes she will somehow "go straight" and get married (ain't gunna happen - if you met me SIL you would see that... i'm actually thinking she might even be a bit transgender. She is very tomboyish, and refused to wear a dress to our wedding... but that would be a bridge to far for my inlaws).

In China itself, there are apparently millions of sham marriages occurring where gay blokes are arranging to marry lesbians, simply to keep face for everyone involved, whilst they continue to live their lives in secret ans shame. A lot of them will actually be forced to have to kids together to continue the charade. It's all very sad. In no universe it that a preferable option.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

thanks for sharing that, I too , had the same type of experience but with a work mate except he wasn't from a catholic family but from an aethiest but strict Chinese family who were a family of doctors , 5 siblings all studying medicine except my mate, mum was a professor and dad was some medical specialist . He was around 20 at the time and was working with me at qantas.
We were tight and hung out all the time with my other girlfriends.. Didn't have an inkling that he was gay though . Then one day I turn up to work and I was told he was in hospital tried to overdose on some drugs he'd found at home!!
Wtf I was in complete shock , I raced over to see him and he told me he was gay and wanted to end his life because is parents would never accept him and he didn't accept himself .
He got counselling and eventually came good , but what stuck in my mind was that as a child his chauffeur had sexually abused him .
A couple of years down the track his 2 younger brothers (twins) 'came out' too and they'd suffered the same sexual abuse from the chauffeur as well.
His father died not long after that and I suspect it was from suicide from the enormity of the situation but has never been confirmed.

I'm not saying that there's been any interference with your friend but just wanted to put it out there that children are suspetible to outside influences and that's why I'm dubious in accepting SSM because it has the potential of changing a child's inherent perspective.

In science they call that an insignificant sample size. Another way to put it is correlation does not equal causation.

It's the concept that if something happens with 1 or 3 people, it doesn't mean it happens with everyone.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Why do gays want to marry anyway?
What life changing event are they gearing up for that they need to commit to each other?

As a female / male the chances are high that their life will undergo a major upheaval by the actions that they will be performing which will require a commitment by both sides to ideally raise children.

I just don't see the practical side of 2 same sex couples getting married , what's the investment , it just seems over the top and unnecessary.

Are they just doing it to look for respect ?

Partially because of respect, mainly because they want to start a family with the same rights any other couple gets.

 

[Wolfmother]

In science they call that an insignificant sample size. Another way to put it is correlation does not equal causation.

It's the concept that if something happens with 1 or 3 people, it doesn't mean it happens with everyone.

I am aware of that lol , my point is you cannot exclude environmental factors when it comes to forming sexuality.
In light of this there should be some social responsibility in advocating same sex marriage.

 

[Wolfmother]

Partially because of respect, mainly because they want to start a family with the same rights any other couple gets.

Starting a family ? Ok lets just ignore the child's right to be raised by its biological parents because apparently thats unimportant and outdated and gets in the way of same sex marriage fmd

 

[Alan79]

I am aware of that lol , my point is you cannot exclude environmental factors when it comes to forming sexuality.
In light of this there should be some social responsibility in advocating same sex marriage.

I think social responsibility should also be applied to people having children. That's happened in countries like China with the recent 1 child policy (now it's been abolished though). I know some kids with shitty parents that have been screwed over emotionally through their parents selfishness. If a gay couple have unprotected sex it won't result in an unwanted child, so from that perspective social responsibly is more likely to take place than in the case of somebody making poor sexual choices and winding up with a child they never planned or wanted to someone they used to fulfil an urge irresponsibly.

I do get your point regarding environmental factors maybe contributing to peoples sexual behaviour. My example actually illustrated that in regards to my friend being fairly indiscriminate of how he chose to try and cure himself of what he saw as something wrong due to his upbringing. My mother had also fostered kids who suffered molestation. I think that in many cases it will remove or increase peoples inhibitions and in some cases teach them that they apply value to themselves by playing others sexually. But through my mate our social group at the time saw a few gay couples from nice families (as far as my information can tell) as opposed to people who raised their kids poorly. Like Hacky said, you'd need to do some extensive studies to show conclusively that molested children are more likely to suffer from confused sexual orientation.

 

[Wolfmother]

Just want to add that this topic really brings me down , I hate being so anti SSM , in all my relationships with gays and lesbians theyre seriously the nicest and most fun people i know but I'm just talking from the perspective of a protective mum..
Let me state that if my kids turn out to be gay on their own accord then so be it, its their life and wouldn't make a micro millimetre of difference to how blessed I'd feel be their parent ..I just want to lay an uncomplicated platform for then to develop into their own person .