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With all of this Idris speculation for a crazy 400k a year (which we all know he hasn't earnt yet and isn't worth yet but the BS market and competing offers will drive that price up) as well as concerns about just re-signing and upgrading Morris, Ennis and having signed many players to big contracts, you would think we will be in huge cap trouble moving forward.
That's what I thought. I was worried that we wouldn't then have money to re-sign young guys coming through, upgrade them or sign depth from other clubs even after losing "depth" this year. Well, when going on the reported figures for everyone, and guessing a little, the picture is still great moving forward.
The cap is 4.3 million I believe. Say we DO re-sign Idris for a crazy 400k a year, this is a rough guide, obviously that could be off by a few hundred thousand here or there, to show what shape we are in moving forward.
25 Man NRL Squad:
1: Barba: 200k (will deserve more soon if he flourishes, a lot more, but right now would be lucky to be getting that much)
2: Turner: 200k (might seem like a lot but is a rep winger and would command that much)
3: Morris: 350k
4: Idris: 400k
5: Goodwin: 180k (Don't think he is worth it, maybe on less but after having a breakout first year and playing for NZ would be something like this. Personally think we should replace him with Lett now and not re-sign him but Moore loves him)
6: Keating: 175k (People scoffed at his signing and I thought he was a bargain, just that we created more of a logjam. He's only played one game but he's proven me right and is a steal either way. Low risk at that price high reward.)
7: Hodkinson: 275k (Alot after 7 games but is great defender, very solid. Hopefully improves attacking kicking game and passing but still very young and I thank god every day, who I don't believe in, that we didn't sign Mortimer for 400k who is the most useless player I've ever seen)
8: Tolman: 325k (Great signing then and even better now. But we would have paid a nice price. He is worth it though)
9: Ennis: 325k (Have my problems with him but still top 5 hooker and still a good one who could be great)
10: Eastwood: 275k (Think he is on a bit less but just to be safe.....)
11: Pritchard: 400k (Crazy money and to sign him for that long is a disaster. If he plays to his potential, 600k would be a bargain. But prepared to get frustrated just like Penny fans have been for 8 years. I hope he proves me wrong.)
12: Ryan: 100k (Contract has been so front loaded that he's almost on nothing this season.
13: Stagg: 260k (Lock of the year, well sought after and was amazing for us. Could be on less)
14: Roberts: 200k (Off contract and will not be re-signed it appears. Comes off the books and hopefully use that money for Sezer.)
15: Armit: 125k (Personally think he's way more use than Paea and should be playing and kept around. He's solid and doesn't make mistakes. He's our third best prop behind Tolman and Eastwood.)
16: Millington: 120k (Signed til end of 2012. Don't see him being used much or offering much. Can't really play prop and our second row is too good for him)
17: Halatau: 150k (Off contract. Talented and injured, versatile player but has done nothing and where does he fit in? Does not need to be re-signed)
18: Hodgson: 80k (Appears to be on last legs. Still think he has more to offer than someone like Tapau at this stage but can't see us re-signing him and nor should we)
19: Payne: 100k (Can see him being re-signed. Better than I thought he would be, Moore likes him, local junior and wouldn't command much. Probably re-sign for just a little more if that)
20: Lett: 120k (Signed til end of next year. Again, think he is an NRL player, can offer a lot and think he should play instead of Goodwin. Great backup and think he should get a chance. Would kill it somewhere like Nth Qld or Canberra etc)
21: Warburton: 120k: (Good backup, seems to be improving. Dunno when he is off contract and may or may not be kept)
22: Tia Kilifi: 80k (Useless. No point keeping. Not in any frame for any position even with injuries galore Off contract and won't be re-signed)
23: Paea: 150k (Solid backup. Can do lots of good things and even more bad. Can't see him commanding much more than what he would be on)
24: Wright: 140k: (Came over from Parra with a few clubs after him so would cost a little. Thought he was good backup but the fact that he was supposed to be direct backup for Idris and Morris and even supposed to be good enough to fornce Idris into the second row, well the fact that we're picking an unknown 20's kid, allegedly, to replace Morris can't be a good sign. Signed til end of 12)
25: Tandy: (His 200-250k comes right off the books)
So, with those 25 players, some like Idris and Morris and Ennis already on their 2012 figures, the amount totals roughly $5.1 million. But that is adding at least 400k for the upgraded salary of Ennis, Idris and Morris and other backloaded deals and not yet subtracting Tandy's 250k. Plus minus 300k for the cap concessions that we would have made to Pritchard, Eastwood etc and money for a ten year player like Ryan, and the amount is about $4.1 million.
But for 2012, saying we don't re-sign Halatau, Paea, Hodgson, Tia-Kilifi and Roberts while keeping Payne, Ryan and Armit on similar deals, while upgrading guys like Foster to 150k to be part of the squad, Sezer to 180k and Kasiano for 150k, that means our cap figure for 2012 with a squad of:
Barba, Turner, Morris, Idris, Goodwin, Keating, Hodkinson, Tolman, Ennis, Eastwood, Pritchard, Ryan, Stagg, Sezer, Kasiano, Foster, Armit, Millington, Warburton, Wright, Lett, Payne.....
That squad of 22, with 3 spots to be filled would amount to $4.6 million. Minus 300k for concessions with third party deals as Idris would take them up and that is $4.34 million.
Considering many of the deals like Ennis, Pritchardm Morris, Idris etc would be backloaded, and having upgraded guys like Sezer (150k) Kasiano (150k) and Foster (150k) there will be more money available for the last 3 players. Plus we still have a great suqad and kept youngsters.
So while long winded, we are in good shape to re-sign youngsters and sign more depth even if we give Idris a mammoth 400k when he isn't yet worth it. Great news and that sure put my mind at ease. Hopefully it helped some of you. And hopefully they increase the cap very soon with the new TV rights deals coming in. Which they will. So that helps too and could potentially raise the cap to 4.8 million in the next few years.
That's what I thought. I was worried that we wouldn't then have money to re-sign young guys coming through, upgrade them or sign depth from other clubs even after losing "depth" this year. Well, when going on the reported figures for everyone, and guessing a little, the picture is still great moving forward.
The cap is 4.3 million I believe. Say we DO re-sign Idris for a crazy 400k a year, this is a rough guide, obviously that could be off by a few hundred thousand here or there, to show what shape we are in moving forward.
25 Man NRL Squad:
1: Barba: 200k (will deserve more soon if he flourishes, a lot more, but right now would be lucky to be getting that much)
2: Turner: 200k (might seem like a lot but is a rep winger and would command that much)
3: Morris: 350k
4: Idris: 400k
5: Goodwin: 180k (Don't think he is worth it, maybe on less but after having a breakout first year and playing for NZ would be something like this. Personally think we should replace him with Lett now and not re-sign him but Moore loves him)
6: Keating: 175k (People scoffed at his signing and I thought he was a bargain, just that we created more of a logjam. He's only played one game but he's proven me right and is a steal either way. Low risk at that price high reward.)
7: Hodkinson: 275k (Alot after 7 games but is great defender, very solid. Hopefully improves attacking kicking game and passing but still very young and I thank god every day, who I don't believe in, that we didn't sign Mortimer for 400k who is the most useless player I've ever seen)
8: Tolman: 325k (Great signing then and even better now. But we would have paid a nice price. He is worth it though)
9: Ennis: 325k (Have my problems with him but still top 5 hooker and still a good one who could be great)
10: Eastwood: 275k (Think he is on a bit less but just to be safe.....)
11: Pritchard: 400k (Crazy money and to sign him for that long is a disaster. If he plays to his potential, 600k would be a bargain. But prepared to get frustrated just like Penny fans have been for 8 years. I hope he proves me wrong.)
12: Ryan: 100k (Contract has been so front loaded that he's almost on nothing this season.
13: Stagg: 260k (Lock of the year, well sought after and was amazing for us. Could be on less)
14: Roberts: 200k (Off contract and will not be re-signed it appears. Comes off the books and hopefully use that money for Sezer.)
15: Armit: 125k (Personally think he's way more use than Paea and should be playing and kept around. He's solid and doesn't make mistakes. He's our third best prop behind Tolman and Eastwood.)
16: Millington: 120k (Signed til end of 2012. Don't see him being used much or offering much. Can't really play prop and our second row is too good for him)
17: Halatau: 150k (Off contract. Talented and injured, versatile player but has done nothing and where does he fit in? Does not need to be re-signed)
18: Hodgson: 80k (Appears to be on last legs. Still think he has more to offer than someone like Tapau at this stage but can't see us re-signing him and nor should we)
19: Payne: 100k (Can see him being re-signed. Better than I thought he would be, Moore likes him, local junior and wouldn't command much. Probably re-sign for just a little more if that)
20: Lett: 120k (Signed til end of next year. Again, think he is an NRL player, can offer a lot and think he should play instead of Goodwin. Great backup and think he should get a chance. Would kill it somewhere like Nth Qld or Canberra etc)
21: Warburton: 120k: (Good backup, seems to be improving. Dunno when he is off contract and may or may not be kept)
22: Tia Kilifi: 80k (Useless. No point keeping. Not in any frame for any position even with injuries galore Off contract and won't be re-signed)
23: Paea: 150k (Solid backup. Can do lots of good things and even more bad. Can't see him commanding much more than what he would be on)
24: Wright: 140k: (Came over from Parra with a few clubs after him so would cost a little. Thought he was good backup but the fact that he was supposed to be direct backup for Idris and Morris and even supposed to be good enough to fornce Idris into the second row, well the fact that we're picking an unknown 20's kid, allegedly, to replace Morris can't be a good sign. Signed til end of 12)
25: Tandy: (His 200-250k comes right off the books)
So, with those 25 players, some like Idris and Morris and Ennis already on their 2012 figures, the amount totals roughly $5.1 million. But that is adding at least 400k for the upgraded salary of Ennis, Idris and Morris and other backloaded deals and not yet subtracting Tandy's 250k. Plus minus 300k for the cap concessions that we would have made to Pritchard, Eastwood etc and money for a ten year player like Ryan, and the amount is about $4.1 million.
But for 2012, saying we don't re-sign Halatau, Paea, Hodgson, Tia-Kilifi and Roberts while keeping Payne, Ryan and Armit on similar deals, while upgrading guys like Foster to 150k to be part of the squad, Sezer to 180k and Kasiano for 150k, that means our cap figure for 2012 with a squad of:
Barba, Turner, Morris, Idris, Goodwin, Keating, Hodkinson, Tolman, Ennis, Eastwood, Pritchard, Ryan, Stagg, Sezer, Kasiano, Foster, Armit, Millington, Warburton, Wright, Lett, Payne.....
That squad of 22, with 3 spots to be filled would amount to $4.6 million. Minus 300k for concessions with third party deals as Idris would take them up and that is $4.34 million.
Considering many of the deals like Ennis, Pritchardm Morris, Idris etc would be backloaded, and having upgraded guys like Sezer (150k) Kasiano (150k) and Foster (150k) there will be more money available for the last 3 players. Plus we still have a great suqad and kept youngsters.
So while long winded, we are in good shape to re-sign youngsters and sign more depth even if we give Idris a mammoth 400k when he isn't yet worth it. Great news and that sure put my mind at ease. Hopefully it helped some of you. And hopefully they increase the cap very soon with the new TV rights deals coming in. Which they will. So that helps too and could potentially raise the cap to 4.8 million in the next few years.
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