Gus believe all Melbourne Storm premierships count.

[TABOO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1321983804710383617

Can you believe this shit?
Both Gus for saying something so stupid but Melbourne for having the arrogance to print a shirt with 6 rings on it?
They are seriously deluded and the NRL needs to step in and advise that they are not 6 time premiers.
They need to stop pretending they are, remove the dumb ass trophies from their HQ and move on
No wonder everyone hates the c*nts.

 

[berries1935]

Does the Bulldogs 17 in a row count?

 

[CrittaMagic69]

Does the Bulldogs 17 in a row count?

Yes

 

[Caveman]

Well let's start paying overs for the next 10 to keep our developed talent to stop other teams buying them, and then not count it towards our cap.

 

[Typical dog]

So he says money doesn't make them better players, yet forgets to mention that those players wouldn't be playing together if they didn't cheat

 

[TABOO]

So he says money doesn't make them better players, yet forgets to mention that those players wouldn't be playing together if they didn't cheat

exactly.

 

[Psycho Doggie]

So he says money doesn't make them better players, yet forgets to mention that those players wouldn't be playing together if they didn't cheat

Totally, whether we like the salary cap or not, its purpose is to ensure a spread of talent. Therefore so long as the cap is in place, paying over the cap is cheating.

 

[bradyk]

The competition can't be fair with a salary cap (short term) but the Storm wouldn't of had the roster they had which won GF's if they didn't cheat the salary cap. They can't be included as legitimate wins.

 

[TABOO]

The competition can't be fair with a salary cap (short term)

Genuinely curious to understand your thoughts on this (Not agreeing or diagreeing, just interested).

 

[Alan79]

Phil Gould is a fuckwit quite frequently. I don't think the storms premierships while cheating should count. But I do think that the salary cap isn't working. I've got a severe case of kennel fatigue today. So I couldn't be bothered going over my ideas on how to make it fair. But from the perspective of someone who was forced to watch our team torn apart after being caught cheating, the Storm clearly didn't see any serious consequences of cheating.

I think in future if a team is caught cheating ultimately their top 17 paid players should go on the market under a silent bidding system. Let teams struggling for talent bid on them. Leave the details of who bids out of the managers and players sight. Give every other club the chance to bid on the players, put those bids in front of the players and managers without letting them know where they're going, just what their pay packet will be. Penalise the cheating club by removing 200% of the amount breached from their cap for three years. Let their top 17 players make the choice of whether to accept an offer until the cheating club is back below their adjusted salary cap.

This would instantly mean they lose at least one brilliant player or a number of very good ones. This might actually make clubs a bit fearful of cheating.

I actually like the idea of silent bidding overall.

 

[blueyedsamurai]

Phil's doing this because he got shit on for his bias commentary.

 

[bradyk]

Genuinely curious to understand your thoughts on this (Not agreeing or diagreeing, just interested).

Clubs/teams at the top get players for their value/unders whereas teams at the bottom get players for overs (almost only way to attract good, established players). The more successful a team is the bigger player pool (and first dibs) they have at their exposal in recruitment where this applies (value/unders). Once every now and then a less successful team can do a good deal but the player or their manager will want an upgrade even if under contract and as we've seen a player will squirm until they're released. Less successful teams also have to take more risks, e.g. JAC at fullback, Thompson from England or signing rejects and hoping they come good, e.g. Napa and DWZ. These players are also on decent/good money.

TLDR less successful teams have more dead cap space (takes years of correct decisions to get out of) where more successful teams have the opposite, how do you compete, how is this fair (8m vs 11m in value, it isn't)? We have to develop good juniors (counter/balance having to pay overs) and also keep them when more successful teams come in for them, the Panthers were able to do it, so that's the blueprint I guess.

 

[gbrussell]

There has to be a better way of evening up the talent than a salary cap. While I am aware that a draft is a restraint of trade it works in the afl because their cba doesn't allow the players association to challenge it in court. The cap and the draft are inexorably linked in most sports that use a cap. Teams who develop their own players should have the best chance of keeping them.

There hasn't been a Salary Cap scandal in afl since the early 2000's. Carlton were well over the cap and were banned from the 1st two rounds of the draft for 2 years. Best players were gone by the time it came around to their first pick in the early 30's. Clubs have to draft at least 3 new players every year so not being able to replace them with the best young talent in the draft pool does hurt. Carlton have made the top 8 just once since then when they came 9th after they were put into the 8 when Essendon were disqualified for the supplements scandal.

When that broke out at Essendon they were then banned from the 1st two rounds of the next draft.

Ask yourself what has happened by comparison to nrl teams who have broken the cap? Not much really that stops them from being competitive short term.

The two are linked for good reason. Both are restraint of trade but we only use 1 because the NRL admin since 1998 have not exactly been full of people with the initiative to formulate a system that will work and even out the talent. It also puts an end to players signing for a new club before they have finished playing with their current club which is madness.

 

[MatstaDogg]

Fuck Phil Gould and Fuck Melbourne. They can both eat a bag of dicks!!

 

[TwinTurbo]

The RLPA will never allow players to be forced to move thousands of kilometres away from their families and friends. It would also expose the NRL to legal action when players suffer from mental issues due to the loss of their support network. The big issue is it makes clubs developing players through the grades completely worthless. For me, the killer is it destroys the possibility of anyone being a one club player.

The window for a player draft closed 30 years ago.

Go Dogs

 

[Como Dog]

Don't have an issuewith them counting 6. In reality how many other premierships are tainted. Still don't consider the roosters 2002 premiers.

 

[B-Train]

Of course their premierships count. Stripping teams of titles never works. They won the comp those years. The losing team doesn't get crowned champion so you can't change history and pretend like it never happened. All they can do is fine them heavily the year after.

The NRL magically allowed Cronulla's premiership to stand even though they cheated every year before and after and every Roosters premiership shouldn't count either but they do. Almost every team that wins the comp cheats the cap.

 

[obe]

If the Storm didn't win those two premierships then who did?.
It was 13 against 13 on the day.
Whether they would have had the same players to win to win if they didn't cheat is another thing.
But having super stars whether you cheated or not is no quarantee that you will win.
The Dogs cheated and their 17 wins in the row still stands.
It could be argued that if Dogs didn't cheat the cap, they properbly wouldn't have the same players to win the 17 in the row.

 

[Moedogg]

They illegally assembled a squad. Had we been able to hold onto our stars that we let go due to cap pressure, it would've changed the outcome of matches.

 

[GA45]

If that’s the case why rob us of all our points in 2002 and just let us play....