Covid-19 related debates (argue in this thread only)

[Rodzilla]

if you have $50,000 and everybody else has $100,000 then you are below average, if you have $50,000 and everybody else has $2,000 then you have the same amount of money but in a much stronger position

 

[Rodzilla]

all the experts and scientists in north korea agree that kim jong un is the supreme life form, are they correct or are they just playing along?

 

[Dawgfather]

But what was the point of releasing a virus that crippled world economies? Usually the simple explanation is the correct one. Some lab worker exposed them self to the virus didn’t tell anyone (would you I don’t reckon I would) shit them self that they might have really really done the wrong thing probably felt fine so went about their life with this little secret under lock and key between them and their self and then shit people started getting sick at places they visited.

I tend to agree that the way Covid 'got out' was via some poor procedures / infrastructure at the Wuhan lab.

Imagine telling the CCP that you were the lab worker response for letting Covid get out.

Yeah nah, I'm pretty sure you would be dead within hours and so would your family.

Look at what the CCP did to Chinese doctors who tried to speak out about the virus in early 2020.

 

[N4TE]

what is the point of releasing a virus?, to make an extremely large amount of money, in case you didn't know this is the goal of pretty much everybody in the world, if you can crush the world economy at the same time then its even better, its like double effect, you and the rest of the big guns remain in tact and grow stronger while the small competition goes under, win win

i think you mean why would governments comply with it?, for various different reasons, reason number 1 the politicians are politicians first and foremost to swap government policy in return for money, this has always been the case, why would the american government create a fictional reason to go to war in iraq in 2003? they had offers of money by military contractors and oil companies and they took it

reason number 2, they understand what would happen if you don't comply, see brazilian president for more information, he is threatened with jail time for his handling of the pandemic

reason number 3, they get to act like they are saving the world, they may even be oblivious to it being released intentionally

I acknowledge what you are saying but I just think people are not that smart. Usually the stupidest and easiest answer is the correct one. Maybe a penguin-alin ate a bat that ate a spider that scribbled and dibbled in side her but probably just a human error in a lab.

You give too much credit to how organised governments are..

 

[Rodzilla]

I acknowledge what you are saying but I just think people are not that smart. Usually the stupidest and easiest answer is the correct one. Maybe a penguin-alin ate a bat that ate a spider that scribbled and dibbled in side her but probably just a human error in a lab.

You give too much credit to how organised governments are..

people are not that smart? It took a team of students weeks to create covid from scratch

of course people are smart enough to do this

they created a nuclear bomb and transported it around the world in secret, the first time the outside world knew about it was when it was released, that was 80 years ago

 

[Rodzilla]

They tested over 80,000 animals and haven’t found covid yet

that’s 80,000 of the most likely animals to have covid, if covid was natural they would have found it by now

 

[N4TE]

people are not that smart? It took a team of students weeks to create covid from scratch

of course people are smart enough to do this

they created a nuclear bomb and transported it around the world in secret, the first time the outside world knew about it was when it was released, that was 80 years ago

Weeks to create? By students? How do you know I never saw that I must admit.

 

[DinkumDog]

they created a nuclear bomb and transported it around the world in secret, the first time the outside world knew about it was when it was released, that was 80 years ago

@Rodzilla is referring to the Manhattan Project.
Another conspirator favourite .

 

[Hacky McAxe]

If nothing else, this is damn interesting.

Scientists claim that a small part of Covid contains a small amount of DNA which matches a sequence patented by Moderna three years before covid even began.

Scientists find genetic match between Covid and Moderna 2016 patent

The international team of researchers identified a tiny snippet of code that is identical to part of a genetic sequence patented by the US vaccine maker three years before the pandemic.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It doesn't mean covid was intentionally let loose (necessarily), but it does mean that anyone who claimed there was no evidence that covid came from a lab was either negligent or intentionally trying to stop people looking for evidence. And by the way, the list of people who claimed it was impossible or refused to concede that it was unclear or that evidence existed pointing towards Covid having come from a Wuhan lab includes multiple senior members of the U.S Government including Anthony Fauci and multiple people from most of their intelligence agencies.

I wonder why the U.S. Govt agencies didn't want people to know the virus potentially came out of a lab which they were funding?

On top of this, anyone who even suggested that the lab leak was a possibility was banned from social media back in 2020.

Conspiracy theories are a conspiracy until the government and some large corporates decide people are allowed to talk about them.

Facebook no longer treating 'man-made' Covid as a crackpot idea

Facebook’s policy tweak arrives as support surges in Washington for a fuller investigation into the origins of Covid-19.

www.politico.com

Have to give credit to the Daily Mail. They went above and beyond what they normally do. Rather than taking the research on face value, they approached experts to verify and each said, "Nah, it's not that rare"

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Posted above. A virologist from Warwick University pointed out how such a small sample is not a smoking gun and there are other possible explanations as to why there was a sequence match in the DNA. But of course the conspirators were immediately lathered up.

If Dawg was serious about the debate he would have noticed that some of those points were in the Daily Mail article, including the exact same virologist:

"
Professor Lawrence Young, a virologist at Warwick University, admitted the latest finding was interesting but claimed it was not significant enough to suggest lab manipulation.

He told MailOnline: 'We're talking about a very, very, very small piece made up of 19 nucleotides.

'So it doesn't mean very much to be frank, if you do these types of searches you can always find matches.

'Sometimes these things happen fortuitously, sometimes it's the result of convergent evolution (when organisms evolve independently to have similar traits to adapt to their environment).

'It's a quirky observation but I wouldn't call it a smoking gun because it's too small.

He added: 'It doesn't get us any further with the debate about whether Covid was engineered.'

Dr Simon Clarke, a microbiologist at Reading University, questioned whether the find was as rare as the study claims.

He told MailOnline: 'There can only be a certain number of [genetic combinations within] furin cleavage sites.

'They function like a lock and key in the cell, and the two only fit together in a limited number of combinations.

'So it's an interesting coincidence but this is surely entirely coincidental.'"

 

[Rodzilla]

We are talking about the exact same 12 nucleotide sequence that caused people to think it was engineered in the first place

it is literally the key to covid, without it the virus would not spread

its 100% disingenuous to make the claim that this is an insignificant part

this is like looking at a bomb placed on the side of a building and claiming it is a very small part of the building so don’t worry about it

 

[Rodzilla]

this is the same 12 nucleotide sequence that caused the emergency conference call

it is a highly contentious matter

 

[Rodzilla]

Btw it doesn’t even need the moderna link to make it suspicious

that thing is so out of place and is not foundin any other close relative coronavirus that it itself needs an explanation and all the top guys had to produce conjecture about how it could have happened naturally in their nature paper

 

[Doogie]

We are talking about the exact same 12 nucleotide sequence that caused people to think it was engineered in the first place

it is literally the key to covid, without it the virus would not spread

its 100% disingenuous to make the claim that this is an insignificant part

this is like looking at a bomb placed on the side of a building and claiming it is a very small part of the building so don’t worry about it

This is what 12 nucleotides look like.

This is what the average strand of RNA looks like (I assume you're talking RNA as I couldn't be fckd anymore having Russians own my pc coz I click on your links).

Yep smoking gun.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

This is what 12 nucleotides look like.
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This is what the average strand of RNA looks like (I assume you're talking RNA as I couldn't be fckd anymore having Russians own my pc coz I click on your links).
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Yep smoking gun.

Yep. It's the classic mathematical certainty principle when it comes to coincidence. Search for two identical pieces of hay in a country sized haystack and eventually you'll find two identical pieces of hay. That doesn't mean that it was planted by Big Farma.

 

[Doogie]

Search for two identical pieces of hay in a country sized haystack and eventually you'll find two identical pieces of hay. That doesn't mean that it was planted by Big Farma.

I disagree. Definitely a conspiracy and I know my little lizard Rodzy will prove it. Hey @Rodzilla get to it bro. Find a haystack and start looking.

 

[Rodzilla]

I don’t give a fuck if it looks like Pamela Andersen’s tits, the fact is that these guys compared covid to the recently released virus sample from 2013 that was closely related to covid and could immediately see that these 12 nucleotides were out of place and they could only imagine it being inserted there

the 12 nucleotides that were so insignificant and small but big enough to cause a diplomatic incident, why didn’t anybody in the conference call say oh ffs it’s only 12 nucleotides anyway let’s just ignore it

 

[Doogie]

I don’t give a fuck if it looks like Pamela Andersen’s tits, the fact is that these guys compared covid to the recently released virus sample from 2013 that was closely related to covid and could immediately see that these 12 nucleotides were out of place and they could only imagine it being inserted there

the 12 nucleotides that were so insignificant and small but big enough to cause a diplomatic incident, why didn’t anybody in the conference call say oh ffs it’s only 12 nucleotides anyway let’s just ignore it

 

[steeliz]

I think you're missing the point of the study.

@Dawgfather never lets facts get in the way of a good argument.

 

[Rodzilla]

oh boy, lets just go back to the start because obviously im the only non retard who knows the most about this situation

rewind back to Jan-Feb 2020, the chinese released details of RaTG13 the close relative to covid, all the experts looked and compared it, they saw that there was a furin site of 12 nucleotides included in covid that wasn't there in the RaTG13 or any other close coronavirus, and since this specifically makes covid so transmissible to humans they should be wondering how covid acquired this

and yes so far so good, they emailed fauci about it and it got to the conference call, the notes of the conference call, (they redacted this part btw, repiublicans had to fight to get a look)


Mike Farzan = is bothered by the furin site and thinks its highly unlikely to happen naturally

Bob Garry = "I really can’t think of a plausible natural scenario where you get from the bat virus or one very similar to it to nCoV where you insert exactly 4 amino acids 12 nucleotide that all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function – that and you don’t change any other amino acid in S2? I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature. Do the alignment of the spikes at the amino acid level – its stunning. Of course, in the lab it would be easy to generate the perfect 12 base insert that you wanted

Eddie Holmes = 60/40 lab

so yes this specific piece of covid, the 12 nucleotides in question was already a very important part of the puzzle, this situation should be front page news and immediately reported to the pentagon and to the white house but they have other ideas

"However, further debate about such accusations would unnecessarily distract top researchers from their active duties and do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular"

:But I share your view that a swift convening of experts in a confidence inspiring framework (WHO seems really the only option) is needed, or the voices of conspiracy will quickly dominate, doing great potential harm to science and international harmony"

this is all going to be swept under the carpet, hacky mcaxe just mocked the classic mathematical certainty needle in the haystack method, but he prefers the scientific hurt feelings method, where if the science points to people getting hurt feelings then that means you can ignore it and act like its not true

instead of pursuing the questions about the 12 nucleotides, kristian andersen and bob garry now produce the biggest piece of shit paper within a month The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 | Nature Medicine, what was once highly unlikely they have to argue for in order to preserve international harmony ffs

" It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted7,11. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used"

anybody with a brain would be able to reject this, lets just say that this is all true and not using a particular well known method would eliminate suspicion of it being engineered, well hurr durr then the manipulators would then use another method for exactly that reason

"Polybasic cleavage sites have not been observed in related ‘lineage B’ betacoronaviruses, although other human betacoronaviruses, including HKU1 (lineage A), have those sites and predicted O-linked glycans13. Given the level of genetic variation in the spike, it is likely that SARS-CoV-2-like viruses with partial or full polybasic cleavage sites will be discovered in other species."

ok so they have nothing to show that this occurs in nature they are reduced to guessing that it will happen in the future, this is the guessing games scientific method and once again the hack fuck agrees with this

why should i continue to try to prove things when i can just say what i want and guess what will happen, like i can prove that unicorns are real, once horses have sex with a rhino there will be many unicorns born in the future