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Oh ok, so he was neither guilty or not guilty. That was the purpose of the trial.

The purpose of this trial was to determine if he was defamed or not? Not if he raped Higgins or not....correct?
He instituted defamation action against Ch10 and LW seeking damages. They used the "Truth" argument to defend the case as is their right, so therefore all the evidence and witnesses from that legal case could be questioned and cross examined. BL did not have to front up to his court case in the witness box, as was his right, but in this defo case he did have to give evidence and Ch10 could put him to the sword as far as answering questions about the night in question.

The judge has found that he was a serial liar (more than her) and presented unbelievable reasons/lies about what happened throughtout the whole night. He did not accept all of BH's evidence either. Tho on the balance of probabilities the Federal Court Judge found BL did in fact rape BH and therefore lost his defo case and so no amount of money awarded to him.

Costs will be decided later on and its most likely he will be liable to be responsible for ALL court costs of all parties, but that has not been fully explained as yet.

As Justice Lee said he was a person who got out of the lions den but went back to get his hat. In other words he escaped the legal trial against him due to a dodgy jurist which caused that court case to be aborted but he thought he'd push his luck with a defo case....but lost out.
 
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Can someone help me out here? I am utterly confused. Please feel free to correct me where i am wrong.
This Bruce guy initially went to trial for rape, was found not guilty.
Based on that he thought that he was defamed and went to sue various people as he was found not guilty.
The judge then today says you are guilty and raped Higgins.
Hang on, the court was there to rule if he was defamed or not, it was not to determine if he was guilty or not. He was not on trial for rape.
Can someone here please help me?
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1) He wasn't found "not guilty". The trial was abandoned due to jury tampering (Lisa Wilkinson being an idiot). The prosecution could have started a new trial but they didn't think there was a strong case and Higgins said that she was suffering from emotional stress and couldn't go through another trial

2) This trial was a civil case but due to there being no result in the criminal case, Lehrmann's lawyers had to convince the judge that Lehrmann didn't commit rape. The judge ruled that he could be innocent, but there was enough evidence to determine that he most likely did rape her and therefore, the defamation case was scrapped
 

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Basically put:

1) He wasn't found "not guilty". The trial was abandoned due to jury tampering (Lisa Wilkinson being an idiot). The prosecution could have started a new trial but they didn't think there was a strong case and Higgins said that she was suffering from emotional stress and couldn't go through another trial

2) This trial was a civil case but due to there being no result in the criminal case, Lehrmann's lawyers had to convince the judge that Lehrmann didn't commit rape. The judge ruled that he could be innocent, but there was enough evidence to determine that he most likely did rape her and therefore, the defamation case was scrapped
1. How does LW being an idiot affect the jury tampering?
2. Shane Drumgold decided not to go ahead due to the emotional toll already experienced by BH. Police in the end and DPP still thought there was a good chance of conviction. Even Walter Sofronoth found there were grounds to proceed and good chance of conviction.
3. Defo case was not scrapped. BL just lost it.
 

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He instituted defamation action against Ch10 and LW seeking damages. They used the "Truth" argument to defend the case as is their right, so therefore all the evidence and witnesses from that case could be questioned and cross examined. BL did not have to front up to his court case in the witness box, as was his right, but in this defo case he did have to give evidence and Ch10 could put him to the sword as far as answering questions about the night in question.

The judge has found that he was a serial liar (more than her) and presented unbelievable reasons/lies about what happened throughtout the whole night. He did not accept all of BH's evidence either. Tho on the balance of probabilities the Federal Court Judge found BL did in fact rape BH and therefore lost his defo case and so no amount of money awarded to him.

Costs will be decided later on and its most likely he will be liable to be responsible for ALL court costs of all parties, but that has not been fully explained as yet.

As Justice Lee said he was a person who got out of the lions den but went back to get his hat. In other words he escaped the legal trial against him due to a dodgy jurist which caused that court case to be aborted but he thought he'd push his luck with a defo case....but lost out.
Ok, so the question is why does he not get charged and get sent to jail because he was found by the law to rape someone
 

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It all just sounds weird the judge comes to this conclusion without hearing any statements from Higgins herself.
 

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Ok, so the question is why does he not get charged and get sent to jail because he was found by the law to rape someone
Well this is only a defo court case. There is no legal basis to convict.

There are now a lot of questions being asked about where this all goes.
 

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I’ve followed zero of this case, so she’s lied at several points but judge says that’s fine because she was emotional? Am I reading that right? Wtf
Not really.

The judge found that Higgins lied and was unreliable, Lehreman lied and was a sleeze with a rep for this kind of thing, Channel 10 should have done more to get a statement from him, Lisa Wilkinson should have known better and that Channel 7 should have known better.

But it seems that Lehreman had a reputation of being a scum bag.

In the judgement, the judge also wrote that if he had found that he was defamed he would not have awarded more that $20 000 because the damage to his reputation would have been minor. He was known for this kind of sh!t.

What wasn't taken into account was that he now faces 2 more sexual assault cases.

The judge has criticized all parties involved and found that Lehreman was the worst of the lot.
 

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The whole case has been a circus with plenty of clowns participating front and centre, including the media.
Janet Albrechton of The Australian is a friend of Judge Walter Sofronoth who conducted the enquiry and he gave her copies of his findings before he even gave it to the ACT govt so she could publish it. He is now probably going to face corruption charges.

The whole thing has been a shocking indictment on pollies, media and now legal entities.
 

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1. How does LW being an idiot affect the jury tampering?
2. Shane Drumgold decided not to go ahead due to the emotional toll already experienced by BH. Police in the end and DPP still thought there was a good chance of conviction. Even Walter Sofronoth found there were grounds to proceed and good chance of conviction.
3. Defo case was not scrapped. BL just lost it.
1) Australian laws. You can't say certain things as it may influence the jury. Whether you or I believe it's right or wrong, that's the law and it's in place for a reason (to protect the innocent from propaganda)

2) Cheers, couldn't remember the exact details. I recalled it having something to do with evidence, but mainly emotional distress. But I also didn't pay too much attention to it

3) The criminal case I meant. That was definitely scrapped. If he lost he'd be in prison right now. But it may have been scrapped for emotional reasons. Never said the defo case was scrapped. He lost that fair and square
 

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It all just sounds weird the judge comes to this conclusion without hearing any statements from Higgins herself.
Both gave evidence. And there was additional evidence that was only found later and not in the criminal case. But some of that evidence can't be seen by the public as it's different rules for civil cases.
 

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1) Australian laws. You can't say certain things as it may influence the jury. Whether you or I believe it's right or wrong, that's the law and it's in place for a reason (to protect the innocent from propaganda)

2) Cheers, couldn't remember the exact details. I recalled it having something to do with evidence, but mainly emotional distress. But I also didn't pay too much attention to it

3) The criminal case I meant. That was definitely scrapped. If he lost he'd be in prison right now. But it may have been scrapped for emotional reasons. Never said the defo case was scrapped. He lost that fair and square
1. LW had nothing to do with scraping the court case tho? Her Logies speech delayed t start of the court case but that was all? The jurist brought extraneous info from their own research into court which a court official found when they knocked it onto the floor? In direct misobeyance of the Judge's several directions.

2. Go back to your post. You said defo case. Must have been a typo :grinning:
 

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1. LW had nothing to do with scraping the court case tho? Her Logies speech delayed t start of the court case but that was all? The jurist brought extraneous info from their own research into court which a court official found when they knocked it onto the floor? In direct misobeyance of the Judge's several directions.

2. Go back to your post. You said defo case. Must have been a typo :grinning:
1. Really? As I said, didn't pay much attention. Just got stuff I heard from everyone else

2. Sorry, not a typo, just a loose terminology. I didn't mean it was scrapped as in the case was cancelled. I mean it was scrapped as in, the justice determined that it was a rubbish case and threw it out
 

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Wonder if Bruce could take Justice Lee to court for defaming him now... wouldn't that be a welcome edition to this circus of a case.
 

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The lion’s den ( Rachel Withers and The Politics )

Why did so many in the media go in to bat for a figure as dubious as Bruce Lehrmann?

Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins. That was the finding handed down by Justice Michael Lee in the long-awaited outcome to the former Liberal staffer’s defamation case – a loss Justice Lee characterised as Lehrmann having “escaped the lion’s den” (referring to the aborted criminal trial) and making the mistake of “going back for his hat”. With 45,000 people watching the court’s live stream, Lee found that sexual intercourse did occur in Linda Reynolds’ office on March 23, 2019, that Higgins did not consent, and that Lehrmann was reckless as to whether she did, adding that Lehrmann was “not entitled to the vindication of his reputation”. (He also found that Lehrmann made false representations about supplying confidential material from his criminal trial to Channel Seven.) The judge had issues with both key witnesses. He found Higgins to be a “complex and in some respects an unsatisfactory witness”, though he repeatedly acknowledged the effects of trauma. But it was Lehrmann for whom he reserved special condemnation, suggesting Lehrmann was a “Walter Mitty” type with a “tenuous” attachment to the truth. Justice Lee referred at times to “human experience”, suggesting that it was obvious why Lehrmann had brought an intoxicated Higgins back to Parliament House. What compelled so many in the media to go in to bat for him, when it seemed perfectly clear what had occurred here?

Higgins was not the “perfect victim” – and the very idea points to the unreasonable standard to which survivors are held as they attempt to prove their victimhood. As Lee argued, there were inconsistencies in her account. But they did not diminish her account of having suddenly become aware of her surroundings that night with Lehrmann on top of her, the judge found, evidence that struck him “as being credible and as having the ring of truth”. Lee offered up well-informed (and widely appreciated) comments about the nature of consent and trauma, and the ways in which the common definition of rape has changed, and he dismissed the myth that victims are supposed to engage in “fight or flight”. His ruling should be a lesson to those in the media who have spent years bullying Higgins, while going out of their way to promote and defend Lehrmann. Unfortunately it's unlikely it will.

For many of Lehrmann’s defenders, in particular the anti-feminists Janet Albrechtsen and Bettina Arndt, the phrase “believe women” is a dangerous command to be resisted at all costs. (It remains to be seen what is going to happen to Lehrmann’s prime speaking spot at Arndt’s “Restoring the Presumption of Innocence” conference in June.) Justice Lee himself referenced this phrase, which came out of the #MeToo movement, in his opening remarks, suggesting that the case had become a “Rorschach test” for people clinging to their version of events. Today’s outcome, however, is evidence of why it is important to believe women when it comes to sexual assault, and of why so many reflexively believed Higgins’ account of what had happened to her in the early hours of March 23, 2019, knowing that women do not generally lie about sexual assault. Over the past few years, Higgins has been held to an unreasonable standard – her clothes, diary entries, relationships, text messages and her every word picked apart. Today, it has been proven that, on the balance of probabilities, she was telling the truth.

Perhaps the most alarming part of all this is that so many high-profile media commentators opted to “believe Bruce”, reflexively believing a man who told obvious, contradictory, “risible” lies, and was unable to keep his story straight. Lehrmann’s explanation when confronted with one such inconsistency was, to quote Justice Lee, as “disconcerting as it was unconvincing”. And there was never anything convincing about his claim that he went back to the office to work on Question Time briefs, for example. There remains much to be learned from this case, especially about the way our legal system treats victims of sexual assault. But for now it is safe to say that Bruce Lehrmann has been found – on the balance of probabilities – to be a rapist. Those journalists who went out of their way to deny even the possibility of this finding have serious questions to answer about their own credibility.
 

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Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins.
Brittany Higgins is an amazing, strong and courageous woman.
Who publicly stood up to her rapist despite the trauma of being raped and knowing how hard it would be for her.
I wish her all the best in the future.

Bruce Lehrmann has another rape case coming up soon.
Whatever happens there he can rot in hell.

He is a rapist.
 

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Today's SMH update. Bruce certainly has friends in high places.

What happens now: The trial is estimated to have cost at least $10 million. While Lehrmann is expected to face an order to pay the media parties’ legal costs, he will not be able to meet that order personally. Sources with knowledge of the case say Ten is considering asking the court to order an unknown third party to stump up the legal bill, which could help reveal Lehrmann’s financial backers. The parties have until April 22 to file submissions on costs. Photo: Dominic Lorrimer
In a quote: “Having escaped the lions’ den, Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of going back for his hat” – read more of the judge’s wry observations.
Jacqueline Maley: This judgment will bring some comfort to sexual assault victims everywhere.
Deborah Snow: None of the main characters in this saga were able to walk away unscathed.
Harriet Alexander: Lehrmann went from cause célèbre to disgrace and damaged many lives and reputations.
CBD: After being evicted last week, Lehrmann was spotted at the Point Piper mansion of a former chief justice.
 

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Today's SMH update. Bruce certainly has friends in high places.

What happens now: The trial is estimated to have cost at least $10 million. While Lehrmann is expected to face an order to pay the media parties’ legal costs, he will not be able to meet that order personally. Sources with knowledge of the case say Ten is considering asking the court to order an unknown third party to stump up the legal bill, which could help reveal Lehrmann’s financial backers. The parties have until April 22 to file submissions on costs. Photo: Dominic Lorrimer
In a quote: “Having escaped the lions’ den, Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of going back for his hat” – read more of the judge’s wry observations.
Jacqueline Maley: This judgment will bring some comfort to sexual assault victims everywhere.
Deborah Snow: None of the main characters in this saga were able to walk away unscathed.
Harriet Alexander: Lehrmann went from cause célèbre to disgrace and damaged many lives and reputations.
CBD: After being evicted last week, Lehrmann was spotted at the Point Piper mansion of a former chief justice.
Front page of today's Herald Sun:

RAPIST AND A LOSER
 
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