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Front page of today's Herald Sun:

RAPIST AND A LOSER
Love it. Rats have abandoned the ship.
My opinion right from the start was that this guy was most probably the douche bag out of the 2 and that BH should not have been treated so abysmally by the gutter press and others who made up their mind without knowing all the intricate circumstances.

(IMO) This goes some small way to righting a traumatic wrong in so many ways with far reaching impacts on most young women where they have been sexually assaulted and their reluctance to report it.

Moral victory if nothing else.
 
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Omnishambles.

Lerhmann Imbroglio.

Having escaped the lion's den Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of coming back for his hat.

LMFAO.
 

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The usual Karens on their high-horses shrieking.
No-one was found criminally responsible for anything. The burden of proof in a civil trial is significantly lower than a criminal trial. This ‘judgement’ was more an opinion than anything else. There’s no scientific or medical evidence to convict and if anyone thinks I’d ever condone sexual assault well that’s just nonsense - but the legal facts remain. Bruce clearly has significant credibility issues but so does Brittany and so does David Shiraz. Bruce seems like a grub frankly who has a loose association with the truth - but so does Brittany - remember she’s also still in litigation with Linda Reynolds - she’s far from a cleanskin and I’m still trying to understand how she got $2m+ of our (taxpayer) money just to nick off to France because the kitchen was warm. But SJW’s have their moment in the sun…
 

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Omnishambles.

Lerhmann Imbroglio.

Having escaped the lion's den Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of coming back for his hat.

LMFAO.
Justice Lee has a way with words hey :grinning:
 

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Lehrmann faces crippling legal costs after rape finding. AAP

A judge’s finding Bruce Lehrmann likely raped Brittany Higgins has been labelled an “unmitigated disaster” for the former Liberal staffer.

Network Ten’s lawyers called the result “vindication” for the company and its belief and support for Ms Higgins during Lehrmann’s long-running defamation case.

“It’s an unmitigated disaster for Bruce Lehrmann,” Ten’s lawyer Justin Quill said.

The parties have been instructed to apply for costs by Monday, with Mr Quill saying he is confident Ten will recoup at least some of its legal fees.

He said the result was a warning for other prospective plaintiffs looking to “make a quick buck”.

“You can come up with a con that might get you through a TV interview, or an interview with your bosses, or down at the pub with your mates,” he said.

“But when you come to the court, and you are cross-examined, and forensically examined, you can’t get away with it.”

Mr Quill was asked what Lehrmann should do next and he suggested “go get another degree”.

Federal Court Justice Michael Lee ruled against Lerhmann in his marathon defamation suit against the network and journalist Lisa Wilkinson for airing the allegations, finding on the balance of probabilities a sexual assault took place on a couch in Parliament House in 2019.

“It is more likely than not that Mr Lehrmann’s state of mind was such that he was so intent upon gratification to be indifferent to Ms Higgins’ consent,” Justice Lee said in delivering his judgment on Monday,

“And hence (he) went ahead with sexual intercourse without caring.

“Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins.”

Requiring a lower threshold for proof than a criminal trial, the civil ruling does not mean Lehrmann has been convicted of any offence.

According to Mr Quill, Lehrmann’s legal team did not expect Ms Higgins to appear as a witness in the defamation case and give evidence about the the alleged assault.

“Channel Ten couldn’t have defended this case without Brittany,” he said.

Before the alleged assault, the two staffers were seen kissing and touching during after-work drinks in Canberra.

They later returned to parliament, where Justice Lee said they ended up on the couch in the office of their then-boss, Senator Linda Reynolds.

Lehrmann’s account that he was returning to Parliament House to retrieve a set of keys, and never intended to have sex with Ms Higgins, were among numerous lies he told the court, Justice Lee determined.

“He was a 23-year-old male cheating on his girlfriend, having just ‘hooked up’ with a woman he found sexually attractive,” Justice Lee said.

“Human experience suggests what he then wanted to happen is not exactly shrouded in mystery.”

Ms Wilkinson said she hopes the judgment gives strength to women around the country.

“All the generous members of the public who have approached me almost every single day to express, often through tears, their unwavering support,” she said.

Lehrmann made no comment to media as he left the court.
 

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And who believes Donald J. Wilkinson that strangers offered support ‘through tears’? As if :tearsofjoy:.
 
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The only person that came out unscathed, was Senator Linda Reynolds.

People saying Lehrmann may have to pay the legals, as clowns. He will declare bankruptcy.
 

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The only person that came out unscathed, was Senator Linda Reynolds.

People saying Lehrmann may have to pay the legals, as clowns. He will declare bankruptcy.
Yeah nah he won't have that kind of money. The costs judgement isn't delivered by Justice Lee until next week I think it is but Ch10 have already mentioned going after a 3rd party to find out who his financial backer is bc they know he doesn't have that kind of money to have brought the defo action. Guess they suspect Stokes or some other multi millionaire stumped him up to take the defamation route?

Putting yourself under the restraints and stress of bankruptcy ain't fun I don't imagine \_(ツ)_/¯

Be a good idea if people like Lehrmann, and all others, who want to sue, are required to have some kind of surety arrangement deposited with the Court so that the Courts time and costs can be covered at least?

Senator Reynolds is suing BH so she will have her day in Court as well. Unless it is abandoned.
Fiona Brown got a pretty good assessment by J. Lee.
 

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Lehrmann thought if he won he would get thousands of dollars. Judge Lee said if he won, he would have only gotten $20,000

I can't see Senator Reynolds abandoning the defamation case.
 

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Be a good idea if people like Lehrmann, and all others, who want to sue, are required to have some kind of surety arrangement deposited with the Court so that the Courts time and costs can be covered at least?

Senator Reynolds is suing BH so she will have her day in Court as well. Unless it is abandoned.
Fiona Brown got a pretty good assessment by J. Lee.
Access to justice is already super difficult.

Defamation is a disaster. Look at BRS.
 

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Access to justice is already super difficult.

Defamation is a disaster. Look at BRS.
I agree its difficult to get access to justice but its very costly to run defamation cases costing millions and then have the situation where if they lose they don't even pay the Australian taxpayers costs in court time when they lose getting the big personal payout they seek.

This cost 10 millon or so it's claimed. At least the WHS Act claim by BH, initialised by her employer, and acknowledged by Morrison in Parliament, was only 2-3 million in the end.

It really makes you wonder if those BRS AND BL got sound legal advice. They had everything to lose, when it gave the defendants the opportunity to use the truth defence against them, except the money recompense they wanted.
 

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Lehrmann thought if he won he would get thousands of dollars. Judge Lee said if he won, he would have only gotten $20,000

I can't see Senator Reynolds abandoning the defamation case.
And that was only for the Logie speech silly LW gave. Judge said his character was so poor, the sppech did not add anything to further lessen his lying character so it would be $20k as a token.

I hope she doesn't either. I really don't know what her case is all about so be interesting to find out what she is aggreived about.

She called her employee a lying cow and had to pay her compenation so there's gonna be multiple lots of witnesses and evidence from both sides I guess.
 

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It has been left open for an appeal. Several mistakes in the judgement.
 

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The only person that came out unscathed, was Senator Linda Reynolds.

People saying Lehrmann may have to pay the legals, as clowns. He will declare bankruptcy.
And Fiona Brown, Reynolds Chief of Staff, who was specifically called out for her credibility.

Yeah, that’s why I said ‘good money after bad’ earlier - if I was Paramount Australia’s CEO (10 Parent) I’d be saying ‘enough’ - they’ll have to spend even more on a costs application and as you say - there’s next to no chance of seeing a dollar if they go after Lehrmann. And why would they go after anyone who bankrolled him? No judgement against them, no liability either.
 
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We've seen some stupid defamation claims in our time, but this will go down as the dumbest, surely? If only he quit whilst he was slightly ahead.

The Shovel has provided a summary:

 

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Yeah nah he won't have that kind of money. The costs judgement isn't delivered by Justice Lee until next week I think it is but Ch10 have already mentioned going after a 3rd party to find out who his financial backer is bc they know he doesn't have that kind of money to have brought the defo action. Guess they suspect Stokes or some other multi millionaire stumped him up to take the defamation route?
They can't go after a 3rd party backer. They will be laughed out of court.
 
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