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[Dawgfather]

America Celebrates A Return To Pillaging The Middle East And Bailing Out Wall Street Bankers — The Betoota Advocate

CLANCY OVERELL | Editor | CONTACT Joe Biden has been sworn in as the 46th President of the United States today, after four years of chaos that came with the unexpected Republican outsider that was Donald Trump. Biden has since addressed America for the first time as President, vowing to end the...

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[Dawgfather]

I didn’t mention that, but in my view it’ll be no different to here. Most will comply. Some won’t.

You clearly don’t know America well.

Although the order is a bit different over there because it only applies to federal buildings and land. Wouldn’t include shopping malls, small businesses etc

 

[DinkumDog]

Yeah I see. But to me it’s the state’s fault more than the presidents. Yes he could have done things, so could they.

I’ve never exclusively blamed him but the buck stops at the top. What’s really wrong is that he downplayed it prior to the election, obviously worried it would harm his chances (clearly it did) but worse he ignored it post election while he focussed on the ‘fraud’ nonsense. People expect leadership and it has to come from the top. These are the reasons I’m so critical of him and not because I’m some leftie - I’m not.

 

[Dawgfather]

You have no idea what I know. Back onboard the righteous express to Nowhereville Dawg.

It's well known amongst most people that Americans don't take kindly to being told what they can and can't do.

No doubt some lemmings in DC, LA and NY will mask up, but most of America will avoid them in large numbers wherever possible.

 

[Flanagun]

I’ve never exclusively blamed him but the buck stops at the top. What’s really wrong is that he downplayed it prior to the election, obviously worried it would harm his chances (clearly it did) but worse he ignored it post election while he focussed on the ‘fraud’ nonsense. People expect leadership and it has to come from the top. These are the reasons I’m so critical of him and not because I’m some leftie - I’m not.

Exactly....I've said it before and I'll say it again - a lot of leaders made big mistakes. Trump's legacy is that he insisted on making the same ones over and over again. His carefree public rhetoric and continued insistence on hosting super spreader events has resulted in way more deaths than any single public health bungle.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Also, none of this is a surprise.

Every state who issued health orders similar to Pennsylvania and New York, literally massacred their senior citizens in the thousands.

While states like Florida who didn't issue the orders had very different outcomes:

States that issued orders similar to Cuomo’s recorded comparably grim outcomes. Michigan lost 5% of roughly 38,000 nursing home residents to COVID-19 since the outbreak began. New Jersey lost 12% of its more than 43,000 residents.

In Florida, where such transfers were barred, just 1.6% of 73,000 nursing home residents died of the virus. California, after initially moving toward a policy like New York’s, quickly revised it. So far, it has lost 2% of its 103,000 nursing home residents.

“Fire Through Dry Grass”: Andrew Cuomo Saw COVID-19’s Threat to Nursing Homes. Then He Risked Adding to It.

A nursing home in Troy, New York, followed the governor’s order to accept patients being treated for COVID-19. Six weeks later, 18 residents were dead of the disease.

www.propublica.org

Yep. No debate about it. NY f'd hard with this one. They advised nursing home residents to return to nursing homes after they had been treated but before they had clearence, they forced nursing homes to take them, and worst of all, they banned testing so they couldn't even clear then.

It was a complete screw up. Sure it only accounted for a relatively small percentage of the overall NY deaths (around 15%), but it was still a massive amount of deaths that were avoidable.

The cause of this was bad policy. But the saddest thing is that the policy was driven by the US health care system. If they had Medicare for All, then this never would have happened. It had nothing to do with hospitals being overloaded, as they weren't at the time. It had to do with elderly people not being able to afford hospital beds. So their options were to live on the street, or return to their nursing homes. That's why the policy was pushed through, but it wasn't a smart policy as it's a simple quarantine breach for the most at risk.

Honestly the US health care system needs a complete overhall but they'll never get it 'cause everytime someone tries, it's called "Socialism"

 

[Hacky McAxe]

You're still here?
Not that I really care, but what happened to:
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I miss the goat. It made me see him as a happy Satanist

 

[Psycho Doggie]

Seriously though. All this proves is that, it took a whitw man to beat trump. A female couldn’t do it. So is this really a win for the left? And let’s say Biden surprisingly “retires” and Indian black Jamaican Jewish kamala Harris becomes president, it will still be that a white man needed to retire in order for a female to become president. It’s sort of like a participation trophy

Why are you fixated on these identities? Ultimately Biden won for pretty much one reason, he presented as a reasonably decent human being compared with his opponent. Far from perfect, but better.

 

[Dawgfather]

Yep. No debate about it. NY f'd hard with this one. They advised nursing home residents to return to nursing homes after they had been treated but before they had clearence, they forced nursing homes to take them, and worst of all, they banned testing so they couldn't even clear then.

It was a complete screw up. Sure it only accounted for a relatively small percentage of the overall NY deaths (around 15%), but it was still a massive amount of deaths that were avoidable.

The cause of this was bad policy. But the saddest thing is that the policy was driven by the US health care system. If they had Medicare for All, then this never would have happened. It had nothing to do with hospitals being overloaded, as they weren't at the time. It had to do with elderly people not being able to afford hospital beds. So their options were to live on the street, or return to their nursing homes. That's why the policy was pushed through, but it wasn't a smart policy as it's a simple quarantine breach for the most at risk.

Honestly the US health care system needs a complete overhall but they'll never get it 'cause everytime someone tries, it's called "Socialism"

'health care for all' would be a true socialist disaster if it's mixed with immigration policies that mean 10-20 million illegal immigrants are suddenly turned into 'citizens' - which by the way is exactly what Biden is proposing to do.

No country can pay for free health care if they have open borders and/or partake in the instantaneous creation of millions of new citizens.

Outside of this I don't know enough about U.S Health care to know why or why not health care is always such a talking point.

I do know from friends and family in America that almost 100% of them found that Obama care increased health care costs to the point that they could no longer afford health insurance for their parents.

 

[dogwhisperer]

I was told Mods didn't delete that post so I assumed.

Your post was still inappropriate and off the chart horrible.

My calling out those words is not twisted, lefty argument....it's common decency on a thread about Coronavirus where it should not have been brought up in the first place but you couldn't help yourself to spew forth your feelings.

As I suggested, get your own thread then those who are affected, won't bother to read such horrible words.

You were told wrong, cause I didn’t delete it.

You argue that it shouldn’t be brought up on this thread and so it was deleted. You could of left it at that but you chose to take another jab and continue the discourse way after the original post was deleted.

Saving lives is horrible? What a twisted and evil way to think. Good for you then.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

'health care for all' would be a true socialist disaster if it's mixed with immigration policies that mean 10-20 million illegal immigrants are suddenly turned into 'citizens' - which by the way is exactly what Biden is proposing to do.

No country can pay for free health care if they have open borders and/or partake in the instantaneous creation of millions of new citizens.

Outside of this I don't know enough about U.S Health care to know why or why not health care is always such a talking point.

I do know from friends and family in America that almost 100% of them found that Obama care increased health care costs to the point that they could no longer afford health insurance for their parents.

It requires a change of so many different aspects in the system. In Australia medicine and health care prices are set by the Australian government. In the US the prices are set by private entities. So it leads to high prices in the US but better quality service for the Middle class and rich. So even with a better Medicare system, they're still stuck as slaves to big pharma.

Trump actually did some work toward fixing this with his drug price reforms. If he focused on that and didn't focus on rescinding the ACA, then the US would be well on its way to a proper affordable health care system for all.

But politics isn't about what's logical or what's good for the people. It's about power.

 

[Psycho Doggie]

 

[Dawgfather]

It's sad that a portion of Trump supporters believed 100% in the Q conspiracy theories about Trump etc.

But to me it says more about the void that has been created in their lives and the desperation they seem to have when looking for leadership.

Says a lot about U.S. politicians for the last 10 - 20 years and their level of negligence and corruption.

 

[CaptainJackson]

It's sad that a portion of Trump supporters believed 100% in the Q conspiracy theories about Trump etc.

But to me it says more about the void that has been created in their lives and the desperation they seem to have when looking for leadership.

Says a lot about U.S. politicians for the last 10 - 20 years and their level of negligence and corruption.

No it says a lot about your fucktard friends like Tucker Carlson, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Andrew Bolt, Rowan Dean, Rita Panahani, Miranda Devine, etc

because they've been propagating bullshit and conspiracy theories for decades and decades, long before QAnon

 

[steeliz]

@AlzzBulldog - can you tell us how much longer we need to wait for the chase??
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I’m out of popcorn. All I can tell right now is that your boy is gone, there’s a new President and no-one else has died.

Wait! Could it be that MSM didn’t lie and the lunatic conspiracy theories were wrong? Spoiler alert?? .

SHIT

Did I blink and miss it?

 

[steeliz]

I guess AlzzBulldog would be in a corner pulling his dick rocking back and forth screaming Hahah sheeple it's not over

CRANKING

 

[CaptainJackson]

I'm also hoping that with Trump out of the picture we finally get rid of these so called "intellectuals", who are in reality fucking dumb

Ben Shapiro
Jordan Peterson
Sam Harris

The above are fucking morons.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

It's sad that a portion of Trump supporters believed 100% in the Q conspiracy theories about Trump etc.

But to me it says more about the void that has been created in their lives and the desperation they seem to have when looking for leadership.

Says a lot about U.S. politicians for the last 10 - 20 years and their level of negligence and corruption.

No it says a lot about your fucktard friends like Tucker Carlson, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Andrew Bolt, Rowan Dean, Rita Panahani, Miranda Devine, etc

because they've been propagating bullshit and conspiracy theories for decades and decades, long before QAnon

I agree with both of you.

 

[Dawgfather]

No it says a lot about your fucktard friends like Tucker Carlson, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Andrew Bolt, Rowan Dean, Rita Panahani, Miranda Devine, etc

because they've been propagating bullshit and conspiracy theories for decades and decades, long before QAnon

Demonising people for having legitimate political beliefs that don't align with yours is the exact reason why America is so divided.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Demonising people for having legitimate political beliefs that don't align with yours is the exact reason why America is so divided.

I agree with that, but everyone he tagged have pushed fake information so your post is irrelevant.

Unless you change it to "Demonising people for spreading fake information that will encourage a further divide.."