Very well said.I wanted to reserve my judgement on Pay until at least 10 rounds in. But after the first two rounds he’s quickly losing my support.
I wouldn’t be blaming him for player recruitment fully as the club has a recruitment and retention committee. Pay doesn’t have the power Des had in retention and recruitment. But he does have a 100% say in team selection, which has been poor in my opinion. I’m 50/50 on Pay! No doubt losing both Morris boys and Klemmer has had a big impact in our performances. To me the team lacks on field leadership. The team needs to learn how to get into the grind and play set for set footy for 80 mins. For 30 mins yesterday they played like a well drilled side, so it’s not like they haven’t been coached properly, they just need to know how to do it for 80 mins. This is mental toughness and proper leadership on the field. We shit ourselves when parra took the lead at 12-10 and started to play catch up footy, hence the two intercepts. In this situation we needed some cool heads on the field to regroup the players and play through the setbacks and fatigue.
Is it Pay? Well yes, he’s the coach, but it’s partly the players as well. There are no excuses for missing one on one tackles and throwing intercept passes. These are what you call coach killers. I really feel for Pay, he just hasn’t had the opportunity to walk into a club with a settled squad with at least some talent like when Moore took over from Folkes.
IMO it’s a bit of both, it’s the coach and the players fault.
Kevin Moore looks like Bellamy next to this guy!I always thought he would be too old school for the modern game.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because of what he inherited last year but sadly I think it's Kevin Moore v2.0.
Spot on.I wanted to reserve my judgement on Pay until at least 10 rounds in. But after the first two rounds he’s quickly losing my support.
I wouldn’t be blaming him for player recruitment fully as the club has a recruitment and retention committee. Pay doesn’t have the power Des had in retention and recruitment. But he does have a 100% say in team selection, which has been poor in my opinion. I’m 50/50 on Pay! No doubt losing both Morris boys and Klemmer has had a big impact in our performances. To me the team lacks on field leadership. The team needs to learn how to get into the grind and play set for set footy for 80 mins. For 30 mins yesterday they played like a well drilled side, so it’s not like they haven’t been coached properly, they just need to know how to do it for 80 mins. This is mental toughness and proper leadership on the field. We shit ourselves when parra took the lead at 12-10 and started to play catch up footy, hence the two intercepts. In this situation we needed some cool heads on the field to regroup the players and play through the setbacks and fatigue.
Is it Pay? Well yes, he’s the coach, but it’s partly the players as well. There are no excuses for missing one on one tackles and throwing intercept passes. These are what you call coach killers. I really feel for Pay, he just hasn’t had the opportunity to walk into a club with a settled squad with at least some talent like when Moore took over from Folkes.
IMO it’s a bit of both, it’s the coach and the players fault.
I know you have respect my bro, but Des is gone, the questions I asked are still valid for Parra team of the century player.With the greatest respect
We were all bagging out Des and his safety first game plan
Pay has come in and encourage the boys to play what they see.
Getting the right balance is difficult.
I was more angry with Pay use of the bench.
He changed 3 players when not needed
When we had momentum
That was a bad call
I have avoided being critical of pay knowing the shit storm that des left behind and the lack of real talent in our side,but what I have seen in the last two games runs deeper than lack of talent,our attack is a fucking shambles and the majority of our players are unable or unwilling to make basic reads in defence.we have no shape in our attack and no communication in defence.Yesterdays game was the last straw for mine,Pay has got to go.
you are right our issues are bigger than just the coach but I guarantee a Bellamy coached side would not have put in back to back performances like that.You know what all these issues you mentioned are not going to get fixed over night this is why this year is fucken cactus . You need an entire off season to over come these problems. No one , even Bellamy can not fix the problems you mentioned mid season.
This is where I believe pay is a dud cos he completely failed to recognise the problems with our roster let alone fix it when he had the entire off season to work with.
That's a great example of when Pay's not to blame.There was a moment in the game where lichaa and Lewis got mixed up and Foran had to kick on he last which resulted in 7 tackles for the Eels. It’s scenarios like this which have plagued us last year and again this year which you think Pay has to be responsible for.
Sack Garbo Pay
Thats three players, we retained the bulk of the side that whipped the Dragons arse at Kogarah last year and need the same attitude and preparation this year, Martin has to be there and Napa has to bring his SOO boots.Klemmer + Morris + Morris come to mind. That's talent and experience right there. We need had problems scoring on the Morris bros flank, we do not.
And Klemmer was an enforcer who other players feared running at them. Love him or hate him, he is a loss for us.
Good luck with that. If Pay goes down, Georgallis goes down with him.I don't know much about Georgallis as a coach but am willing to learn from those who favour him as a replacement.
Interim coach after week 8 maybe.Good luck with that. If Pay goes down, Georgallis goes down with him.
Assistants should be loyal and seek their opportunities elsewhere.Interim coach after week 8 maybe.
Bull shit... Pay is 100% responsible.
Last year we finished on some really strong form. A platform to build on for the future. All that was needed in the off season was to focus on the style that was played late last year, along with players improving combinations and making sure the guys were 100% fit.. Put this in theory and at worst we avoid coming last this season.
What happens in the off season was completely the opposite.
FOCUS on 2018 STYLE. Pay brings in a niff nuff (Steve James) from school boy rugby to break down the style and focus on passing skills. Stupidity right there. Even Junky Johns can't see a game plan.
IMPROVE COMBINATIONS. Pay splits up the right side of Holland Jackson and smith that was dominating. Essentially weakening one side to weaken another...more stupidity. On top of that drops Martin who is pretty much the only bloke that runs into space offering something to the playmakers.
FITNESS. This is laid bare for everyone to see. We are not even close to fit. Hence 76 points scored against us in 2 games. Blokes can't keep up. Falling off tackles left right and centre. Why would pay treat the fitness component with such contempt. Does he not realise that this is an elite competition? We can use 1 40min trial as an argument but it's more than that. These guys look like they have had only 4 weeks of aerobic training.
Let's not get onto recruitment...sue is shocking. Offers nothing on what we already have in Ogden or Toomaga.
Notably we don't have klemmer or Morris boys but Klemmer was not on hand last year when we thumped Broncos and Morris boys albeit may have stopped 1 try yesterday but they would not void 76 points scored against us.
Sick of the excuses. Pay fucked up things in the off season and must accept responsibility.
As I said mate, I don't know much about him. But the assistant would usually step up if the head was sacked, at least for the rest of the year.Assistants should be loyal and seek their opportunities elsewhere.
It really bemuses me that people think Georgallis doesn't already have his fingerprints on this side.