Opinion Time to reflect on the eve of change

[Ripley]

Almost every club operates at a loss even with the NRL grants. I was speaking about their cap and on field performance though.

Clearly making the bottom teams spend 95% doesn't make them much more competitive and only inflates the salaries of mediocre players who get paid much more than they're worth. Meanwhile the best players all "sign for less" to play for the same successful clubs. How is any of this good for the competitiveness of the league when that's what the salary cap is meant to do?

Mate it’s players money, no matter how good or bad they are, provided by The NRL.

Unless you can come up with something else that guarantees the players get their cut per year, that’s the beginning and the end of it.

 

[TwinTurbo]

The fact that 1 team cities like Melbourne and Brisbane can have the ability to work way above the cap due to third party deals is just rediculous!! 3rd party deals either need to be capped and thoroughly clandestine, or scrapped all together.

Hence why the 2nd team in SE Qld (my tip Redcliffe Dolphins) is very important, it will take money and players away from the Donkeys who have had it far too good, for far too long.

Always a Bulldog

 

[Sword]

Hence why the 2nd team in SE Qld (my tip Redcliffe Dolphins) is very important, it will take money and players away from the Donkeys who have had it far too good, for far too long.

Always a Bulldog

If that's the case, let's lobby another Melbourne side too

 

[TwinTurbo]

If that's the case, let's lobby another Melbourne side too

No Melbourne side would be better.

Always a Bulldog

 

[Dogs Of War]

On a positive note, The Roosters under the coaching of Jack Gibson made the semi finals in 1967, finishing 4th, after going winless in 1966.

Bulldogs 2008 - Wooden Spoon
Bulldogs 2009 - 2nd.

And honestly I think in 2009 that game against Parra if we score before halftime when we were dominating we win it and I think we would have taken it to a young Melbourne team.

 

[KambahOne]

Yeah…. Get that up ya @KambahOne

lol, here's to looking on the bright side, you'll be back to where we are now in 58 years.

 

[Dogs Of War]

The fact that 1 team cities like Melbourne and Brisbane can have the ability to work way above the cap due to third party deals is just rediculous!! 3rd party deals either need to be capped and thoroughly clandestine, or scrapped all together.

That would be a restraint of trade. If players can organise endorsements outside of the club, then good on them. Just one club teams will always have an advantage in these instances. But at the same time, unless the team is performing well, you will still find those endorsements dry up. Just look at the Broncos. All those deals cause the team is performing poorly are going to ex-players. Storm will find the same problem if they have a few lean years.

 

[Bazildog]

lol, here's to looking on the bright side, you'll be back to where we are now in 58 years.

Nah, unless they find something else that actually extends life in those Wuhan labs, I will be pushing up daisy's..

 

[KambahOne]

Nah, unless they find something else that actually extends life in those Wuhan labs, I will be pushing up daisy's..

Ditto.

 

[TwinTurbo]

lol, here's to looking on the bright side, you'll be back to where we are now in 58 years.

You're only as good as your last game, we won 38 to nil, how do you go?

Always a Bulldog

 

[seven07]

Bulldogs 2008 - Wooden Spoon
Bulldogs 2009 - 2nd.

And honestly I think in 2009 that game against Parra if we score before halftime when we were dominating we win it and I think we would have taken it to a young Melbourne team.

Mate if it wasn’t for Luke pattern being kicked to the head we would of won.

 

[flamebouyant]

That would be a restraint of trade. If players can organise endorsements outside of the club, then good on them. Just one club teams will always have an advantage in these instances. But at the same time, unless the team is performing well, you will still find those endorsements dry up. Just look at the Broncos. All those deals cause the team is performing poorly are going to ex-players. Storm will find the same problem if they have a few lean years.

So your not concerned by the fact that Melbourne and Brisbane have access to an entire cities businesses, and 8 Sydney teams are fighting over crumbs? It creates an inequal cap.

 

[GrogDog]

In my wildest dreams i never thought we would EVER become this bad.

Yep, that's why I hate the whole "everyone is welcome" stance. People like Hasler, Dibb and Rae Rae should be banned for life.

 

[chisdog]

I've been saying for years that the main change they need to make is to change the minimum cap spend from 95% to like 75%.

That way the struggling clubs can save cap space for when decent players become available and not have to waste it on mediocre players with panic signings just to spend the 95%.

Also, report everyone's salaries for true transparency so every fan knows exactly what players are earning and how much cap space each club has..

I am not overly keen to have players' privacy breached so everybody knows how much they earn, however if each club is shown what is earned under the cap AND 3rd parties, I would be happy with that, with severe penalties for leaking information. We don't need to know everything, but I agree there has to be some level of transparency for accountability purposes.

 

[Diatribe 2000]

Mate if it wasn’t for Luke pattern being kicked to the head we would of won.

Would HAVE won

 

[chisdog]

Spot on. There HAS to be a better way of equalising teams than the ubiquitous salary cap. God knows I've racked my brain trying to come up with something that could work. However I don't encourage kennelers to submit anything to the NRL. You won't even get the courtesy of a reply thanking you for writing to them.

As you say there has to be people in the game whose self interest overrule what is in the best interests of the game.

An old American wrestling motto comes to mind.
"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."

Yeah, I sent a points cap system to David Gallop when we breached the cap & got no reply. I wasn't saying my system was the be all & end all, but a starting point that greater minds than mine could tweak it to suit the game.

 

[chisdog]

The fact that 1 team cities like Melbourne and Brisbane can have the ability to work way above the cap due to third party deals is just rediculous!! 3rd party deals either need to be capped and thoroughly clandestine, or scrapped all together.

Totally agree, but it's the Andrew Johns' of the World who say but but but we will lose all the good players. You know what? If they are money hungry bastards (prostitutes) that are just wanting money over everything else then leave. As we saw a few years ago, players left to rugby yawnion but eventually came back because they were bored sitting on the wings doing nothing most of the game. They have competitive instincts & it kills them not to be involved.

 

[chisdog]

like many have already said, the last five years have been atrocious but the worst thing for me is that we have gotten a lot worse as we have gone along... 34 victories in 5 seasons, 28 of those came in the first 3 of those years --> 2017 (10), 2018 (8), and 2019 (10)... no improvement in the recruiting thus far (we don't know what the 2022 recruits will achieve), the coaching, conditioning, discipline etc. all have gotten worse, why do we need Gus in 2021 to come in to fix our junior system when that should never have been abandoned but once abandoned should have been the focus once it became clear that we had ruined our cap in 2017-2018 etc.

how are we this bad? we have gone from acknowledged finals specialists to the whipping boys of the comp year after year

The abandonment of our juniors was the Des era & once Pay came he started to get it moving again. Taking away junior development must never be allowed to happen again & it should be written in contracts that it MUST be taken care of. Lest we forget.

 

[gbrussell]

Yeah, I sent a points cap system to David Gallop when we breached the cap & got no reply. I wasn't saying my system was the be all & end all, but a starting point that greater minds than mine could tweak it to suit the game.

Mate, I sent 2 different points cap systems to the NRL. The first one to Gallop after Melbourne got nailed on 2010. The 2nd one to Shane Richardson when he worked for the NRL in 2015.

There have to be powrful forces, known or unknown to is behind the scenes who want the current system to remain.

NRL don't seem to have the smarts to come up with something better, and don't take advice from fans with more intelligence. Hence our best efforts will end up in the trash bin.

As for greater minds on the NRL, they may be in clubs, but certainly not the head office of the game.

 

[Ripley]

Mate, I sent 2 different points cap systems to the NRL. The first one to Gallop after Melbourne got nailed on 2010. The 2nd one to Shane Richardson when he worked for the NRL in 2015.

There have to be powrful forces, known or unknown to is behind the scenes who want the current system to remain.

NRL don't seem to have the smarts to come up with something better, and don't take advice from fans with more intelligence. Hence our best efforts will end up in the trash bin.

As for greater minds on the NRL, they may be in clubs, but certainly not the head office of the game.

Both those points systems of yours, can I ask - how are the points decided?