Things are becoming clearer

xanderalexander · Apr 4, 2022

A few musings…

1. Josh Jackson said in the post-match presser yesterday that their attack is suffering in the attacking zone because they’re ‘trying to score off every play instead of building the sets’. I’m sorry, but this is my biggest criticism and Jackson is the worst offender. The Storm, Eels, Panthers, Roosters etc will put play after play on. They will only use a forward hit up ‘settler’ if that forward has the capacity to attract 3-4 defenders and get a quick play the ball. Jackson and others completely fizzle the momentum with Tolmanesque hit ups that are slow, attract only 2 defenders and then allow the defensive line to reset.

2. Looking at the best halves combinations in the comp, there is an organising 7 and a running 6. DCE organises and does most of the kicking. Foran runs and engages the line. Cleary and Luai, same. Hughes and Munster, same. Moses and Brown, same. Reynolds and Walker (2021), same. Burton is a running 6 and should be left to play his natural game, only being relied to put in attacking kicks, not clearing kicks. Halfway onwards and that’s it. Wakeham, Averillo, BBO - they’re all running 6’s with little to no ability to organise. With this in mind, and with the knowledge that Flanagan is average at best, his game is best suited to supporting Burton. Hell at this stage I would even take Brooks over those above.

James zac · Apr 4, 2022

Time for Flanagan to play the role he played at the rorters but can he?

liljohny · Apr 4, 2022

What's clear is Barrett can't coach. He's a smooth talking hoax

Philmus · Apr 4, 2022

xanderalexander said:
With this in mind, and with the knowledge that Flanagan is average at best, his game is best suited to supporting Burton.

He wasn't even given 20 minutes at 7 in the 2 trials to see how he would go. He's the only geniune 7 at the club (doesnt necessarily mean he's a gun player, but still) and he's been completely shut out for a bloke whos a centre and another bloke whos an average 6. makes no sense to me at all. and if we chop and change yet again, how are we supposed to build any sort of continuity? 2022 is a write off already

dhoo8450 · Apr 4, 2022

Only thing I disagree with is that Burton absolutely should be in charge of clearing kicks. He has the biggest boot in the game. Would be a wasted asset to leave that out.

doggieaaron · Apr 4, 2022

Philmus said:
He wasn't even given 20 minutes at 7 in the 2 trials to see how he would go. He's the only geniune 7 at the club (doesnt necessarily mean he's a gun player, but still) and he's been completely shut out for a bloke whos a centre and another bloke whos an average 6. makes no sense to me at all. and if we chop and change yet again, how are we supposed to build any sort of continuity? 2022 is a write off already

He has been ordinary whenever he’s played however time in reggies is good for him maybe help he gain form/confidence

CrittaMagic69 · Apr 4, 2022

Get your head out of the running/organising half bs. Cleary runs more Luai, Moses runs almost as much as Brown, DCE runs heaps, etc. Roles and combinations is all that matters, saying Burton shouldn't be kicking because he's a running 6 is massive LOL vibes.

Scoooby · Apr 4, 2022

liljohny said:
What's clear is Barrett can't coach. He's a smooth talking hoax

Can’t coach. Players aren’t very smart, it’s a shambles. Coach and players BOTH equally held accountable for this terrible fucking pigsty!!!

DaBulldog · Apr 4, 2022

liljohny said:
What's clear is Barrett can't coach. He's a smooth talking hoax

He seems to look like he has a plan. Clearly he doesn’t otherwise the game plan would vary when it doesn’t work.

bradtalo · Apr 4, 2022

xanderalexander said:
A few musings…

1. Josh Jackson said in the post-match presser yesterday that their attack is suffering in the attacking zone because they’re ‘trying to score off every play instead of building the sets’. I’m sorry, but this is my biggest criticism and Jackson is the worst offender. The Storm, Eels, Panthers, Roosters etc will put play after play on. They will only use a forward hit up ‘settler’ if that forward has the capacity to attract 3-4 defenders and get a quick play the ball. Jackson and others completely fizzle the momentum with Tolmanesque hit ups that are slow, attract only 2 defenders and then allow the defensive line to reset.

2. Looking at the best halves combinations in the comp, there is an organising 7 and a running 6. DCE organises and does most of the kicking. Foran runs and engages the line. Cleary and Luai, same. Hughes and Munster, same. Moses and Brown, same. Reynolds and Walker (2021), same. Burton is a running 6 and should be left to play his natural game, only being relied to put in attacking kicks, not clearing kicks. Halfway onwards and that’s it. Wakeham, Averillo, BBO - they’re all running 6’s with little to no ability to organise. With this in mind, and with the knowledge that Flanagan is average at best, his game is best suited to supporting Burton. Hell at this stage I would even take Brooks over those above.

Under Barrett's coaching I'm sure even a player like Papenhuyzen would become a plodder in our team

From the area · Apr 4, 2022

I hope Barrett reads all these comments, packs his bags with Furner and heads back down the Illawarra where he belongs. He has no fight or dogs of war mentality. He’s a soft cock. The only player he wants to be a hard **** too is Flanagan. Everyone else he lets get away with murder

Philmus · Apr 4, 2022

doggieaaron said:
He has been ordinary whenever he’s played however time in reggies is good for him maybe help he gain form/confidence

he's in form.
- Round 1 against Souths he had a try assist, a line break assist,177 kicking meters and kicked 4/4 in a 24-16 win
- Round 2 against Canberra he had 2 try assists. 2 line break assists, 118 kicking meters and kicked 6/9 in a 48-12 win
- Round 3 against Blacktown he had 2 try assists, 1 line break assist, 311 kicking meters and kicked 5/5 in a 30-0 win
- Round 4 against Mounties he had 1 try, 1 try assist, 2 line breaks, 1 line break assist, 105 kicking meters and kicked 4/5 in a 28-18 win.

Compare that to yesterday, wakeham 0 line breaks, 0 line break assists, 0 try assists, 81 kick meters. Burton 0 line breaks, 1 line break assist, 0 try assists, 348 kicking meters.

Blue&whiteAxe · Apr 4, 2022

DaBulldog said:
He seems to look like he has a plan. Clearly he doesn’t otherwise the game plan would vary when it doesn’t work.

same old shit each week. Bloke lives in hope that other teams don't have a TV for video sessions.

Trafford10 · Apr 4, 2022

Wakeham is a reserve grade player who is on a pittance for a halfback. It's not his fault he is getting picked in 1st grade.
It's the fault of the coach & football department that we don't have a 1st grade quality halfback at the club.
Yes halfback is a massive problem, but the teams skill level is terrible, the back line passing is pathetic. That is a basic skill in rugby league, also why do our edge forward in particular Waddell constantly run the ball without passing when they have time and space to pass the ball to the centres and/or winger when have a chance to run the ball but NOOOO the edge forwards run the ball into the defence??? Seriously it's like they are padding their running meter stats.

Papa Joe · Apr 4, 2022

OFFLOADS -
It's good to see that we have finally got some offloading forwards which we haven't had for for a while as it adds another dimension to our attack...

BUT FFS - A pop it out the back offload whilst held on to by defenders is most effective when we are at very least 30m away from the try line to create second phase play to gain yardage but it doesn't have to happen on every F'n run!!!

BUT WTF happened to a Big Bastard running between 2 defenders 10 to 20 metres away from the try line with the ball out in two hands to draw the defenders in & to then PASS BEFORE THE F'n LINE to another Big Bastard who is running at 100 miles an hour like he's life depends on it to receive the ball and hit the gap next to his team mate.

At best, he goes through the gap & scores.

At worst, he gets a quick play the ball to set up the next play for a try scoring sweeping move out to the backs.

FFS, this is junior F'n football tactics that still work in the NRL - But our $700k + players have failed to do this once all season.

I wanna see these MF's hit the line like their F'n Life depends on it.

(sorry for the expletives all, can you tell I'm a little upset?)

GrogDog · Apr 4, 2022

The only thing that is clearer to me is that Tbaz appears to be about 8 months behind the obvious.

D- voice · Apr 4, 2022

Philmus said:
he's in form.
- Round 1 against Souths he had a try assist, a line break assist,177 kicking meters and kicked 4/4 in a 24-16 win
- Round 2 against Canberra he had 2 try assists. 2 line break assists, 118 kicking meters and kicked 6/9 in a 48-12 win
- Round 3 against Blacktown he had 2 try assists, 1 line break assist, 311 kicking meters and kicked 5/5 in a 30-0 win
- Round 4 against Mounties he had 1 try, 1 try assist, 2 line breaks, 1 line break assist, 105 kicking meters and kicked 4/5 in a 28-18 win.

Compare that to yesterday, wakeham 0 line breaks, 0 line break assists, 0 try assists, 81 kick meters. Burton 0 line breaks, 1 line break assist, 0 try assists, 348 kicking meters.

I hear you...
But you are comparing his efforts in reserve grade to the other's effort against who Melbourne ?
You can't Compare the pair

xanderalexander · Apr 4, 2022

Mutt Dafty said:
Get your head out of the running/organising half bs. Cleary runs more Luai, Moses runs almost as much as Brown, DCE runs heaps, etc. Roles and combinations is all that matters, saying Burton shouldn't be kicking because he's a running 6 is massive LOL vibes.

Cleary average kick metres - 506.7
Cleary average run metres - 66
Luai average kick metres - 95
Luai average run metres - 56

DCE average kick metres - 293
DCE average run metres - 66
Foran average kick metres - 44
Foran average run metres - 90

M Moses average run metres - 67
M Moses average kick metres - 408.4
D Brown average run metres - 138
D Brown average kick metres - 42

Of the three examples you got 'LOL vibes' from, there is a clear organiser/kicker and a fairly clear 2IC organiser/runner.

CrittaMagic69 · Apr 4, 2022

xanderalexander said:
Cleary average kick metres - 506.7
Cleary average run metres - 66
Luai average kick metres - 95
Luai average run metres - 56

DCE average kick metres - 293
DCE average run metres - 66
Foran average kick metres - 44
Foran average run metres - 90

M Moses average run metres - 67
M Moses average kick metres - 408.4
D Brown average run metres - 138
D Brown average kick metres - 42

Of the three examples you got 'LOL vibes' from, there is a clear organiser/kicker and a fairly clear 2IC organiser/runner.

Lol no, not even close. Actually watch and not just what is registered as a run for a half.

Dog74 · Apr 4, 2022

Unfortunately nothing will change to our attack, with any halves combination until we put cook in at hooker. JMK is the common denominator for our attach suffering. He works hard but service and options he offers is not helping.

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