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the joker looks like not coming to theaus open. Doesnt want to get vaxxed
 

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Good on WTA pulling out of China.

Of course they're still taking Arab sportswashing $$$ but one step at a time.
 

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ATP Players Choose Who is Their GOAT of Tennis (Murray, Kyrgios, Wawrinka...)

 

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Djokovic has been more dominant than Federer was in a tougher era (2010's) than Federer's (2000's)
Novak is playing a past their peaks Federer and Nadal while he is still in his peak. Federer is 40 already. Peak Federer is better than peak Novak. Also it's not a tougher era now.
 

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This GOAT discussion is the same as the Messi/Ronaldo discussion. They've all achieved so much.
 

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This GOAT discussion is the same as the Messi/Ronaldo discussion. They've all achieved so much.

Messi easy out of them 2 and neither is the GOAT.
 

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Novak is playing a past their peaks Federer and Nadal while he is still in his peak. Federer is 40 already. Peak Federer is better than peak Novak. Also it's not a tougher era now.
100% agree, novisa is not in their class on and off the court
 

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Messi easy out of them 2 and neither is the GOAT.
I agree Feds and Messi.
Novak comes close there are "excuses" for the why and why nots, for example if Roger was mentally stronger? He would have won another 6+slams imo.
These things are subjective though.
Nadal should not be in the convo as goat(top 3 no doubt)is very great player but when 2/3 of your slams are on clay...enough said though I will add I never much liked him and his antics/ticks/stalling etc.
 

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Novak is playing a past their peaks Federer and Nadal while he is still in his peak. Federer is 40 already. Peak Federer is better than peak Novak. Also it's not a tougher era now.
Novak was the player of the decade for 2010 to 2019 and dominated the tour from 2011-2016 when Nadal was at his peak, Andy Murray was at his peak, Wawrinka was at his peak, Federer still playing at a top level having won Grand Slams in 2010, 2012 and three 3 Grand Slams in just over 12 months in 2017-2018 when Djokovic's form went AWOL, Čilić, Del Potro etc.

in comparison, in Federer's peak he won Grand Slams against the likes of Roddick, Baghdatis, Gonzalez, a 35 year old Agassi, Philippoussis and Hewitt

Djokovic's era was tougher
 

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Novak was the player of the decade for 2010 to 2019 and dominated the tour from 2011-2016 when Nadal was at his peak, Andy Murray was at his peak, Wawrinka was at his peak, Federer still playing at a top level having won Grand Slams in 2010, 2012 and three 3 Grand Slams in just over 12 months in 2017-2018 when Djokovic's form went AWOL, Čilić, Del Potro etc.

in comparison, in Federer's peak he won Grand Slams against the likes of Roddick, Baghdatis, Gonzalez, a 35 year old Agassi, Philippoussis and Hewitt

Djokovic's era was tougher
Tennis players dip big time in their 30's Federer was 30 in 2011. If they were the same age no way Novak has as many GS as Federer. Also Hewitt is way better than Stan.

It's not debateable that Federer is the Grass GOAT & Nadal the Clay GOAT. Novak's only claim is being the Hardcourt GOAT.
 

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Tennis players dip big time in their 30's Federer was 30 in 2011. If they were the same age no way Novak has as many GS as Federer. Also Hewitt is way better than Stan.

It's not debateable that Federer is the Grass GOAT & Nadal the Clay GOAT. Novak's only claim is being the Hardcourt GOAT.
Federer was 30 AFTER the 2011 Wimbledon

as for Federer being the grass court GOAT, he has played Djokovic in 3 Wimbledon finals and lost all three, including the unloseable being 8-7 and 40-15 up in the final set

and even if Djokovic's claim is limited to hard courts, hard courts make up the majority of the ATP Tour --> 2 Grand Slam tournaments, the ATP Tour Finals, and 6 of the 9 Masters tournaments
 

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Federer was 30 AFTER the 2011 Wimbledon

as for Federer being the grass court GOAT, he has played Djokovic in 3 Wimbledon finals and lost all three, including the unloseable being 8-7 and 40-15 up in the final set

and even if Djokovic's claim is limited to hard courts, hard courts make up the majority of the ATP Tour --> 2 Grand Slam tournaments, the ATP Tour Finals, and 6 of the 9 Masters tournaments
Anyone who says Federer isn't the grass GOAT is an idiot and loses all credibility. He didn't beat Federer in a Wimbeldon final until a month before Federer's 33rd birthday when he was already past it. I don't waste my time arguing with idiots so I'm out of this convo.
 
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