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Say nothing and let them make their own case
You give them very little to go on if you keep your mouth closed.

If a cop sees me in public hanging around and asks what I'm doing?
My reply will always be "just waitin for a mate".

It's such a perfect alibi!
 

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Yeh better off just being compliant. You have your day in court. And even a corrupt cop is only likely to want to set you up if you piss them off. Years ago me and a friend were walking around drunk in the streets at 3am in the morning. cops come over. I just answered all their questions, admitted to being drunk and was on my way home, they let me continue on my way. My friend gave them lip. Got all self righteous and carried on, spent the night in a cell and had to go to court.
 

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One if my mates from uni was going on with the sov cit shit for a bit. How he managed to graduate I don't know. Basically had all his assignments in a media studies degree done by visiting smarter friends and picking their brains to get assignments done. But there's still have been assessments he'd have had to sit through which I think must have given a pass mark for spelling your name right.

But I've seen vids of him speaking at protests with others eating up what he says and it astounds me and saddens me that he's a Sheppard for these sheep.
 

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You give them very little to go on if you keep your mouth closed.

If a cop sees me in public hanging around and asks what I'm doing?
My reply will always be "just waitin for a mate".

It's such a perfect alibi!
Clinton James, is that you?
 

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I do find it a bit rich, that the instrument that is being questioned, rules upon its own validity!
Akin to we've conducted a review upon ourselves and found nothing wrong mentality.
Still does not mean the sov cits are right, though.
 

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I do find it a bit rich, that the instrument that is being questioned, rules upon its own validity!
Akin to we've conducted a review upon ourselves and found nothing wrong mentality.
Still does not mean the sov cits are right, though.
There was some valid ones originally. Like a person would record their exchange with the officer, and the officer would tell them to turn off the camera or be arrested, and they would say, "I'm legally allowed to record this". Then eventually a higher up officer would get involved and point out to the rookie that the guy is right and he's legally allowed to record it.

Problem now days is that it's not people who know the law. It's people who were told some messed up version of the law and they believed it. The one that was really popular with the sovereign citizens around Covid time was, "Australia operates under maritime law" and they attempt to use that to ignore the police. But Australia doesn't operate under maritime law.
 

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There's an interesting one now where the sovereign citizens have formed a group that they claim is above the law. They have their own "rangers" that wear uniforms and they pretend that their self-made law is the only one that matters. They have been doing some crazy stuff, like sending judges letters that say that the judge is under arrest and needs to present to their rangers for arrest. They're even using it to help parents kidnap children from their ex-partners.

Nutjobs are getting really crazy

 

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There's an interesting one now where the sovereign citizens have formed a group that they claim is above the law. They have their own "rangers" that wear uniforms and they pretend that their self-made law is the only one that matters. They have been doing some crazy stuff, like sending judges letters that say that the judge is under arrest and needs to present to their rangers for arrest. They're even using it to help parents kidnap children from their ex-partners.

Nutjobs are getting really crazy

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There was some valid ones originally. Like a person would record their exchange with the officer, and the officer would tell them to turn off the camera or be arrested, and they would say, "I'm legally allowed to record this". Then eventually a higher up officer would get involved and point out to the rookie that the guy is right and he's legally allowed to record it.

Problem now days is that it's not people who know the law. It's people who were told some messed up version of the law and they believed it. The one that was really popular with the sovereign citizens around Covid time was, "Australia operates under maritime law" and they attempt to use that to ignore the police. But Australia doesn't operate under maritime law.
Of course not, we're convicts, we don't give a damn about them and their laws! ;)
 

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This man is an idiot and an instant classic!
 

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Actus reus and mens rea come to mind for me, when it comes to cases like linked.
Hard to knowingly commit an act, when you genuinely believe there is no such thing!
Funny how the established rule of the land, fails to recognise any challenge to its rule!
But without rules, established or not, you only have chaos.
 

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Actus reus and mens rea come to mind for me, when it comes to cases like linked.
Hard to knowingly commit an act, when you genuinely believe there is no such thing!
Funny how the established rule of the land, fails to recognise any challenge to its rule!
There has always been some debate over the rule of law when it comes to ignorance, and many states and countries do take non-deliberate ignorance of the law into account. People have actually dodged charges due to this. But the Sovereign Citizens ignorance isn't non-deliberate. They are aware of the law but they believe (falsely) that the law doesn't apply to them. The do truly believe it, but they are aware that the law exists and they are effectively ignoring it without proper legal council.

That's why the "ignorance of the law" rule exists. For people that deliberately attempt to circumvent the law through wilful ignorance.
 
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