The pros and cons of letting good over paid players go.

[gbrussell]

I agree that we could have had the best wing combination in the comp, but only if he recovered his 2020 Canbera form, because in 2021 for us he was only average and certainly not a SOO winger.
As for Elliot, I don't know what the other players thought of him, from afar he appeared to be a disrupting influence, it was a big mistake resigning him.

It's no good having 2 gun wingers if you don't have decent specialist centres who know how to create space for the man outside him.

I have never been a fan of playing wingers in the centre except when injuries strike mid-match and there is no other option.

The reason wingers want to play in the centres seems to be the extra salary the position gets. Most of them don't have the skillset to adjust.

A lot of wingers mis read in defence which causes chaos if they play further In. A lot of them wouldn't pass the ball. Eg Reimis Smith, although it looks like Bellamy has improved that part of his game.

If I think back over the years, there are 2 players who successfully transitioned from wing to centre, JMOZ and Timana Tahu.

 

[vegny]

With the result we had last season we should hang on to all the talents we could. Unless they have behavioural issues that is.
Until we find out the spare money we get from releasing players like cotric is being spent well and resulting in us having a stronger or a better balanced team or someone can step up and show their pathway shouldnt have been blocked much longer, the move makes no sense to me.

 

[D- voice]

With the result we had last season we should hang on to all the talents we could. Unless they have behavioural issues that is.
Until we find out the spare money we get from releasing players like cotric is being spent well and resulting in us having a stronger or a better balanced team or someone can step up and show their pathway shouldnt have been blocked much longer, the move makes no sense to me.

No doubt Cotric is a great talent, is he worth 650k as a winger...no.
Having a poor spine is the reason why the backline / team doesn't function.
Melbourne is a good example of how they priorities their signings !!!

 

[Benno Bulldog]

This thread is identifying the mindset behind how the club got into the shit. While identifying that the new mindset Gus is creating urgency in getting out of that mindset. It’s not surprising that some want the middle ground.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Kieran Foran ?
How the hell did Manly repair him back to workable state?
Him alongside Burton would have been excellent, except he kept breaking on us.

Manly didn't repair him we did, he came to us broken and it took us 2.5 years to fix him, he played 14 games out of 20 for us in 2020 and we sent him back to Manly in the best condition, physically and mentally, that he had been in for 6 years.

Always a Bulldog

 

[vegny]

No doubt Cotric is a great talent, is he worth 650k as a winger...no.
Having a poor spine is the reason why the backline / team doesn't function.
Melbourne is a good example of how they priorities their signings !!!

My point is if we can use the money from releasing cotric to improve our spine, then its a good move. If not, then makes no sense to release him. The 650k only becomes relevant if we can use it for something better.

 

[D- voice]

My point is if we can use the money from releasing cotric to improve our spine, then its a good move. If not, then makes no sense to release him. The 650k only becomes relevant if we can use it for something better.

The salary cap dictates the need to be prepared to accept Mahoney a year early if the opportunity arises.
We can't be unprepared...Build it and they will come !!!

 

[Bazildog]

Manly didn't repair him we did, he came to us broken and it took us 2.5 years to fix him, he played 14 games out of 20 for us in 2020 and we sent him back to Manly in the best condition, physically and mentally, that he had been in for 6 years.

Always a Bulldog

This, plus Manly have an actual halfback to take some of the load of Foran.

 

[D0GMATIC]

The obvious "con" is good quality players aren't always easy to sign.
Having overpaid players inhibits your financial ability to be able to retain quality players. Or pounce on players who might become available or required unexpectedly

 

[Phalangist]

Kieran Foran ?

How the hell did Manly repair him back to workable state?

Him alongside Burton would have been excellent, except he kept breaking on us.

no I don’t agree,none of those players are a genuine 7.

 

[LFC Bulldogs]

Gus is cleaning up the previous administrations recruitment fuck ups. He did the same at Penrith, offloaded all the players that were on overs .
Cotric was on more than he should have been getting.

 

[Dognacious]

Kieran Foran ?

How the hell did Manly repair him back to workable state?

Him alongside Burton would have been excellent, except he kept breaking on us.

They didn't. What happened is he moved to a side with one of the best spines in the comp, from a side with the weakest spine. At manly he isn't expected to do everything himself, and gets to inject himself as he pleases and can rest when puffed. Not a 1 man band now like he was with us.

 

[D- voice]

They didn't. What happened is he moved to a side with one of the best spines in the comp, from a side with the weakest spine. At manly he isn't expected to do everything himself, and gets to inject himself as he pleases and can rest when puffed. Not a 1 man band now like he was with us.

Has anyone noticed how little impact he had when Turbo wasn't playing, as a matter of fact that was the whole Manly team problem !

 

[David holland]

He got $650k because he convinced someone he could be a Joey Manu type centre. He was never taught how to play centre. Hoppa didn't teach him anything. Maybe JMoz could of. But $650k for a winger is outlandish. It works if the cap is $12+m but otherwise doesn't work. So he HAD to go.

Cotric had his future at his feet,
If he nailed down a centre position I'm sure he'd be still at the Dogs, if dolphins were in this year I'm sure Allen would be gone too, but next yr he will be,we have alot of depth for 22 , but remember we were 8 pts off second last ,so alot of work to do

 

[Howie B]

Has anyone noticed how little impact he had when Turbo wasn't playing, as a matter of fact that was the whole Manly team problem !

The Foran talk shits me. We paid him $1 million plus and got fuck all value.

Then when he had a chance to show loyalty and sign a 1 year deal on a reduced contract he held out for more. Yes we pulled the offer but he definitely rejected it before it was pulled.

To be fair to him he signed to play when Des was our coach. But the reports and supporters saying we should have kept him for 2021 have NFI. He was offered a decent deal and when he rejected it the club rightly pulled it.

If he played for us in 2021 we still run last. His body wouldn’t handle the load that was needed for us

 

[H-dog]

The Foran talk shits me. We paid him $1 million plus and got fuck all value.

Then when he had a chance to show loyalty and sign a 1 year deal on a reduced contract he held out for more. Yes we pulled the offer but he definitely rejected it before it was pulled.

To be fair to him he signed to play when Des was our coach. But the reports and supporters saying we should have kept him for 2021 have NFI. He was offered a decent deal and when he rejected it the club rightly pulled it.

If he played for us in 2021 we still run last. His body wouldn’t handle the load that was needed for us

But if he stayed I don’t think ww would have signed flanno so even if he missed half the season it would have been half a season more of a quality half on the field than what we had, still no kicking game but actually engaging defenders would have been nice to see

 

[Disposable Hero]

Kieran Foran ?

How the hell did Manly repair him back to workable state?

Him alongside Burton would have been excellent, except he kept breaking on us.

2 x 5/8's in the team. thats great idea.

 

[Ant2611]

The obvious "con" is good quality players aren't always easy to sign.
Having overpaid players inhibits your financial ability to be able to retain quality players. Or pounce on players who might become available or required unexpectedly

What you are saying os the system is f.cked....

 

[Ant2611]

But if he stayed I don’t think ww would have signed flanno so even if he missed half the season it would have been half a season more of a quality half on the field than what we had, still no kicking game but actually engaging defenders would have been nice to see

Nice to have hindsight....

 

[D0GMATIC]

What you are saying os the system is f.cked....

It is what it is I Guess. At least we're being proactive and using it to our advantage.