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The NRL will keep its trade window open for an extra month this season in a shock move that will spark a late-season multimillion-dollar transfer frenzy on the eve of the finals.
Clubs now have until August 1 — or round 20 — to finalise their 30-man rosters instead of the traditional June 30 registration cut-off, which would allow Cameron Smith a late opportunity to join a team for a finals campaign.
It means desperate coaches will be able to sign an $800,000 player, like Smith, for as little as $200,000 for the remainder of the season because he will only be on their 2021 books for the last five rounds and the finals.
It would also leave the lowly placed clubs in a vulnerable position to retain their stars who would be keen to play finals football at a stronger outfit.
Some clubs have held back as much as $600,000 in their salary caps and several positions on their rosters to be in a position to strike in what is certain to be a frantic player-signing rush.
The August 1 shut-off deadline will be particularly beneficial for clubs on the edge of the top eight at a time when they are getting desperate for wins in the run home to the finals.
The later deadline could also open short-term contract opportunities.
There would be nothing to stop the player signing for the final five rounds but returning to his original club the following season to complete his contract.
As one player agent said: “It’s a win for the clubs and players. They could lose a key player in July for the rest of the season with an injury but still find a replacement.
“This will cause a huge amount of player movement late in the season.
“The longer the clubs wait the cheaper the players become because you’re only paying them for a couple of months.
“Patience will be the key. There is no point rushing out to fill your 30-man rosters and spending all your money.”
Only four clubs — Canberra, New Zealand, North Queensland and South Sydney — have
Teams like the Titans and Broncos are well placed to sign players later in the season.
“We’re in no rush,” said Test coach Mal Meninga when asked about plans to use the $600,000 that remains in the Titans’ salary cap.
The new cut-off date was a request from the Rugby League Players Association to give the players more options in their latest collective bargaining agreement with the NRL.
“We listened to the players, coaches and footy managers,” RLPA CEO Clint Newton said.
“It means there is more flexibility to manage rosters and opens up opportunities for players at the back end of the season.
“Looking through the lenses of a player, if he can’t get a run at a club that’s in a good spot injury-wise, the whole competition benefits from the player by mutual agreement going to another club.”
Also good players on the edge of first-grade selection at the stronger clubs will become targets. Rather than sitting on the bench, the opportunity to start at a rival club will be tempting.
“Under the new system it makes sense to keep space until much later in the year as a safeguard for injuries,” said Manly Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler.
How fans cope with the new deadline remains to be seen.
Previous fan surveys have shown their dislike for mid-season player movements and poaching raids from rival teams where the loyalty of players is often questioned.


 

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The NRL will keep its trade window open for an extra month this season in a shock move that will spark a late-season multimillion-dollar transfer frenzy on the eve of the finals.
Clubs now have until August 1 — or round 20 — to finalise their 30-man rosters instead of the traditional June 30 registration cut-off, which would allow Cameron Smith a late opportunity to join a team for a finals campaign.
It means desperate coaches will be able to sign an $800,000 player, like Smith, for as little as $200,000 for the remainder of the season because he will only be on their 2021 books for the last five rounds and the finals.
It would also leave the lowly placed clubs in a vulnerable position to retain their stars who would be keen to play finals football at a stronger outfit.
Some clubs have held back as much as $600,000 in their salary caps and several positions on their rosters to be in a position to strike in what is certain to be a frantic player-signing rush.
The August 1 shut-off deadline will be particularly beneficial for clubs on the edge of the top eight at a time when they are getting desperate for wins in the run home to the finals.
The later deadline could also open short-term contract opportunities.
There would be nothing to stop the player signing for the final five rounds but returning to his original club the following season to complete his contract.
As one player agent said: “It’s a win for the clubs and players. They could lose a key player in July for the rest of the season with an injury but still find a replacement.
“This will cause a huge amount of player movement late in the season.
“The longer the clubs wait the cheaper the players become because you’re only paying them for a couple of months.
“Patience will be the key. There is no point rushing out to fill your 30-man rosters and spending all your money.”
Only four clubs — Canberra, New Zealand, North Queensland and South Sydney — have
Teams like the Titans and Broncos are well placed to sign players later in the season.
“We’re in no rush,” said Test coach Mal Meninga when asked about plans to use the $600,000 that remains in the Titans’ salary cap.
The new cut-off date was a request from the Rugby League Players Association to give the players more options in their latest collective bargaining agreement with the NRL.
“We listened to the players, coaches and footy managers,” RLPA CEO Clint Newton said.
“It means there is more flexibility to manage rosters and opens up opportunities for players at the back end of the season.
“Looking through the lenses of a player, if he can’t get a run at a club that’s in a good spot injury-wise, the whole competition benefits from the player by mutual agreement going to another club.”
Also good players on the edge of first-grade selection at the stronger clubs will become targets. Rather than sitting on the bench, the opportunity to start at a rival club will be tempting.
“Under the new system it makes sense to keep space until much later in the year as a safeguard for injuries,” said Manly Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler.
How fans cope with the new deadline remains to be seen.
Previous fan surveys have shown their dislike for mid-season player movements and poaching raids from rival teams where the loyalty of players is often questioned.


Absolute **** of a decision that has been made possible by those shit **** Roosters and SBW... A rule like this just further fucks with the integrity of a poorly ran competition
 

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Why?

And

Whose idea was it?
 

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The single worst decision out of the NRL since V‘Landys took over. I find it totally illogical, what exactly is the objective? I can only see negatives, not one positive comes to mind. A $1m player breezes in on 1st August, plays a handful of games and wins a premiership. Is that really what we want? The BS about leaving Cap space is even more irritating, just pay some cash to a back up to the back up so he will agree to terminate his contract. Bingo one free spot and Cap space to match.

Of course no club would be so callous as to do that ......... Oh wait..... there is one.

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Absolute **** of a decision that has been made possible by those shit **** Roosters and SBW... A rule like this just further fucks with the integrity of a poorly ran competition
Couldn't have said it better.

The competion now simply comes down to 4 weeks of the finals. Why don't we just scrap the rounds.
 

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Did anyone read the article of were you too busy leaping to conclusions?

" The August 1 shut-off deadline will be particularly beneficial for clubs on the edge of the top eight at a time when they are getting desperate for wins in the run home to the finals."

If you guys are one of those teams who can take advantage of this new rule, are you saying you won't due to your integrity?
 

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Did anyone read the article of were you too busy leaping to conclusions?
" The August 1 shut-off deadline will be particularly beneficial for clubs on the edge of the top eight at a time when they are getting desperate for wins in the run home to the finals."
If you guys are one of those teams who can take advantage of this new rule, are you saying you won't due to your integrity?
It's a rule, you take advantage of it, which doesn't mean that we have to like the rule.


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I like that Vlandys is a leader & makes decisions, but some are crap like the 6 again, Suaali ruling & this one. So we are going to play most of the season with a team & then corrupt the competition in the last 4 weeks so someone can sign a Cameron Smith?
 

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Did anyone read the article of were you too busy leaping to conclusions?

" The August 1 shut-off deadline will be particularly beneficial for clubs on the edge of the top eight at a time when they are getting desperate for wins in the run home to the finals."

If you guys are one of those teams who can take advantage of this new rule, are you saying you won't due to your integrity?
Was hoping you'd enter the debate to give it some balance :grinning:
 

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You don't like taking advantages?
I don't like giving away advantages.

All jokes aside, I don't like it no matter how big an advantage it gave us. I still wouldn't like it because I think it's bad for the game, bad for the players, especially the ones that get cast aside, miss out on the finals that they work for the whole year, just because some $1m player waltzes in to get the glory.

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The NRL will keep its trade window open for an extra month this season in a shock move that will spark a late-season multimillion-dollar transfer frenzy on the eve of the finals.
Clubs now have until August 1 — or round 20 — to finalise their 30-man rosters instead of the traditional June 30 registration cut-off, which would allow Cameron Smith a late opportunity to join a team for a finals campaign.
It means desperate coaches will be able to sign an $800,000 player, like Smith, for as little as $200,000 for the remainder of the season because he will only be on their 2021 books for the last five rounds and the finals.
It would also leave the lowly placed clubs in a vulnerable position to retain their stars who would be keen to play finals football at a stronger outfit.
Some clubs have held back as much as $600,000 in their salary caps and several positions on their rosters to be in a position to strike in what is certain to be a frantic player-signing rush.
The August 1 shut-off deadline will be particularly beneficial for clubs on the edge of the top eight at a time when they are getting desperate for wins in the run home to the finals.
The later deadline could also open short-term contract opportunities.
There would be nothing to stop the player signing for the final five rounds but returning to his original club the following season to complete his contract.
As one player agent said: “It’s a win for the clubs and players. They could lose a key player in July for the rest of the season with an injury but still find a replacement.
“This will cause a huge amount of player movement late in the season.
“The longer the clubs wait the cheaper the players become because you’re only paying them for a couple of months.
“Patience will be the key. There is no point rushing out to fill your 30-man rosters and spending all your money.”
Only four clubs — Canberra, New Zealand, North Queensland and South Sydney — have
Teams like the Titans and Broncos are well placed to sign players later in the season.
“We’re in no rush,” said Test coach Mal Meninga when asked about plans to use the $600,000 that remains in the Titans’ salary cap.
The new cut-off date was a request from the Rugby League Players Association to give the players more options in their latest collective bargaining agreement with the NRL.
“We listened to the players, coaches and footy managers,” RLPA CEO Clint Newton said.
“It means there is more flexibility to manage rosters and opens up opportunities for players at the back end of the season.
“Looking through the lenses of a player, if he can’t get a run at a club that’s in a good spot injury-wise, the whole competition benefits from the player by mutual agreement going to another club.”
Also good players on the edge of first-grade selection at the stronger clubs will become targets. Rather than sitting on the bench, the opportunity to start at a rival club will be tempting.
“Under the new system it makes sense to keep space until much later in the year as a safeguard for injuries,” said Manly Sea Eagles coach Des Hasler.
How fans cope with the new deadline remains to be seen.
Previous fan surveys have shown their dislike for mid-season player movements and poaching raids from rival teams where the loyalty of players is often questioned.


A precedent already set with the Roosters last season..
 

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I don't like giving away advantages.

All jokes aside, I don't like it no matter how big an advantage it gave us. I still wouldn't like it because I think it's bad for the game, bad for the players, especially the ones that get cast aside, miss out on the finals that they work for the whole year, just because some $1m player waltzes in to get the glory.

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Fair enough, but what you described would be a huge disruption to a team leading into the finals. Bringing in a ringer for a tried and tested teammate would cause huge disharmony and realistically, how many bottom 6 sides would have a million dollar player that warranted a gig in a side gunning for the 8? If he was playing to his value the team shouldn't be in the bottom 6.

I'm looking at this from a players perspective as well, but I get a different scenario. Team X are sitting 9th, four games from the season end when their halfback goes down. Team Y sitting 12th are willing to contract out their halfback. It's win win for club and player, the club gets that player off their books for a few weeks or longer, the player maybe gets finals experience which he then takes back to his club the following year.
 

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Fair enough, but what you described would be a huge disruption to a team leading into the finals. Bringing in a ringer for a tried and tested teammate would cause huge disharmony and realistically, how many bottom 6 sides would have a million dollar player that warranted a gig in a side gunning for the 8? If he was playing to his value the team shouldn't be in the bottom 6.

I'm looking at this from a players perspective as well, but I get a different scenario. Team X are sitting 9th, four games from the season end when their halfback goes down. Team Y sitting 12th are willing to contract out their halfback. It's win win for club and player, the club gets that player off their books for a few weeks or longer, the player maybe gets finals experience which he then takes back to his club the following year.
A valid example, that advantages the team that is finals bound, but what exactly does the team giving up the player get in return? For most teams saving a little cash spared is irrelevant. What they need is Cap space and releasing a player on August 1 is of no use unless they have another player that they want for the rest of the season. One that they can contract for the same (or lessor) value, unless they have spare Cap space. That would be a miracle set of circumstances if it ever happens.

Another "favourable" example would be if a team releases a player already contracted to another team for the next season, say, Penrith release Burton on July 31 because they don't need him. Pretty unlikely as they wouldn't want to risk not having him available for the finals if someone goes down. So it would only be those teams outside of finals contention that would release a player.

The more likely scenario is teams leaving a spot open with the deliberate intention of bringing in a player from, say, ESL who has already signed with them a contract that doesn't start until August 1 (ala SBW). It's also possible that if a team has a player with a long term injury that keeps them from playing until around August 1 that they drop him from their roster (Cap) until then, but keep paying them as an assistant which they can do as they don't have an NRL contract . That gives them Cap space to replace the injured player until they come back on August 1 (say, TTrbojevic).

There are so many ways teams can utilise August 1 to add to their salary Cap, but it really only favours the teams in finals contention. The other teams will be the ones disadvantaged, who's going to want to go to a team that has no chance of making the finals. Further distancing the haves from the have nots.

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Fair enough, but what you described would be a huge disruption to a team leading into the finals. Bringing in a ringer for a tried and tested teammate would cause huge disharmony and realistically, how many bottom 6 sides would have a million dollar player that warranted a gig in a side gunning for the 8? If he was playing to his value the team shouldn't be in the bottom 6.

I'm looking at this from a players perspective as well, but I get a different scenario. Team X are sitting 9th, four games from the season end when their halfback goes down. Team Y sitting 12th are willing to contract out their halfback. It's win win for club and player, the club gets that player off their books for a few weeks or longer, the player maybe gets finals experience which he then takes back to his club the following year.
Fair example but what of the huge gambling aspect of the NRL now.

Punters bet where their team will finish. They're coming 12th with 4 rounds to play but give away their halfback.

That could greatly impact their position on the ladder and make a lot of bets all but null and void.

How could Sports Bet and all the rest of the gambling companies, not to mention the other Fantasy Leagues etc operate effectively.

Top Point Scorer bets. Top Try scorer changes teams.

So open to manipulation, especially where money is involved.

Can't see it ending well.
 

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A valid example, that advantages the team that is finals bound, but what exactly does the team giving up the player get in return? For most teams saving a little cash spared is irrelevant. What they need is Cap space and releasing a player on August 1 is of no use unless they have another player that they want for the rest of the season. One that they can contract for the same (or lessor) value, unless they have spare Cap space. That would be a miracle set of circumstances if it ever happens.

Another "favourable" example would be if a team releases a player already contracted to another team for the next season, say, Penrith release Burton on July 31 because they don't need him. Pretty unlikely as they wouldn't want to risk not having him available for the finals if someone goes down. So it would only be those teams outside of finals contention that would release a player.

The more likely scenario is teams leaving a spot open with the deliberate intention of bringing in a player from, say, ESL who has already signed with them a contract that doesn't start until August 1 (ala SBW). It's also possible that if a team has a player with a long term injury that keeps them from playing until around August 1 that they drop him from their roster (Cap) until then, but keep paying them as an assistant which they can do as they don't have an NRL contract . That gives them Cap space to replace the injured player until they come back on August 1 (say, TTrbojevic).

There are so many ways teams can utilise August 1 to add to their salary Cap, but it really only favours the teams in finals contention. The other teams will be the ones disadvantaged, who's going to want to go to a team that has no chance of making the finals. Further distancing the haves from the have nots.

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They get back a player with finals experience. Granted the salary cap relief would be minimal and there is a risk for the club loaning the player with regards to injury and suspensions, but those would be mitigated within the rules surrounding the new trade window.

Good point re - loaning a player you no longer have on the books for the next year = zero risk, but again that player will arrive at their new club with who knows how much finals experience. And the fans of the loaning club have a reason to watch the finals.

I suppose I have my rose coloured glasses on expecting everyone will abide by the rules, but if it makes the finals more exciting I say go for it.
 

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Fair example but what of the huge gambling aspect of the NRL now.

Punters bet where their team will finish. They're coming 12th with 4 rounds to play but give away their halfback.

That could greatly impact their position on the ladder and make a lot of bets all but null and void.

How could Sports Bet and all the rest of the gambling companies, not to mention the other Fantasy Leagues etc operate effectively.

Top Point Scorer bets. Top Try scorer changes teams.

So open to manipulation, especially where money is involved.

Can't see it ending well.
You put the P in pessimist sometimes. :laughing:

You have a point because I'm the first to say all gambling is corrupt...to a point. So yeah I agree the gambling companies will take any and every advantage of the new trade window rules to milk their clientele, but that's gambling.
 

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You put the P in pessimist sometimes. :laughing:

You have a point because I'm the first to say all gambling is corrupt...to a point. So yeah I agree the gambling companies will take any and every advantage of the new trade window rules to milk their clientele, but that's gambling.
Take advantage and possible corruption. ..Chicago White Sox anyone (or similar).

Here's another P......P off lol
 
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