NRL may abandon Foxtel

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NRL club bosses meet tomorrow in Sydney, unanimous they must be rewarded at the next broadcasting contract for the high ratings and subscriptions their games generate, even if it means abandoning Foxtel.

While clubs are optimistic competition among the free-to-air networks will deliver the dollars consistent with the code's popularity in NSW and Queensland, there is a growing fear pay TV monopolist Foxtel will not offer the same for NRL rights as it recently did for AFL games.

It is possible clubs will support NRL chief executive David Gallop in a strategy of offering all eight games per week to the free-to-air networks on a short-term basis, shutting out Foxtel until the News Ltd-controlled service realises the disastrous loss of subscriptions such a move would cause.

Advertisement: Story continues below Foxtel paid AFL a record $650 million over five years for four exclusive live games a week, yet pays the NRL only $42 million a year for five live games a week. Foxtel boss Kim Williams has acknowledged the high price paid - which allows coverage of all AFL games - was designed to increase subscriptions in the AFL states (currently 24 per cent in Adelaide to 27 per cent in Melbourne), well below subscriptions in Sydney (38 per cent) and Brisbane (32 per cent).

While Williams sees less capacity for growth in NRL subscriptions, club bosses believe Fox Sports was built on the popularity of rugby league and they should be rewarded for what they have delivered.

If this involves selling Foxtel's Super Saturday three games and the high-rating Monday night game to the free-to-air networks, with the consequent cancellation of Foxtel subscriptions in NSW and Queensland, this may be the only course to bring Foxtel to the table with an offer that reflects just value. Asked to comment on a future broadcasting package, Gallop said: ''We envisage a mix of FTA and pay at this stage but one thing is clear - we drive subscriptions, we provide 73 of the top 100 shows [on pay-TV]. You can talk about length of games and number of ads being different with AFL but at the end of the day it's about what people sign up for and that's clearly our game. We must get value for that.

''And if we do not, then we need to consider alternatives. If this involves a short-term FTA deal without Foxtel, so be it.''

Gallop said there had been unprecedented lobbying by networks Seven, Nine and Ten: ''The FTAs are currently knocking our door down to show their interest.''

Tomorrow's rare dual meetings of club chairmen and chief executives in Coogee is the first since an independent commission was named.

The broadcasting contract and its flow on effects to club grants and the salary cap is high on the agenda.

Gallop and L.E.K. Consulting's Colin Smith have not been given permission to begin formal negotiations with networks until the commission is in place to ratify the broadcasting contract, but the first meeting of the eight directors of the new ruling body is imminent.

Complicated first-and-last rights provisions with each of the four entities that hold options over NRL rights - Channel Nine, Fox Sports, SKY New Zealand and News Ltd - mean it could take 15 months to negotiate the final broadcasting contract.

Informal discussions to date with network chiefs have delighted the NRL over the interest from free-to-air TV but executives are alarmed Williams prefers AFL because of its superior ''family image.'' Gallop countered with: ''The AFL have had their fair share of off-field image issues.''

Williams also points out AFL games last three hours, compared to the NRL's two, allowing greater opportunity for commercials.

However, Foxtel will not show advertisements after goals, in a deliberate strategy of wooing viewers from Channel Seven for the four AFL games they simulcast. Foxtel also believe AFL's pre- and post-game shows are superior to the NRL.

Smith said: ''The NRL media results for 2011 reinforce the game's leadership position with State of Origin, the three most watched game ever with 3.8 million viewers; critically, pay TV numbers are up 20 per cent; NRL dominates the top 100 shows on pay TV.''

Asked the effect of Foxtel losing rugby league, considering its existing packages force subscribers to buy programs they don't wish to see, Smith said: ''It would be very significant indeed and lead to a major loss in subscribers from pay TV.

''If FTA TV bought NRL for say three years, it could be catastrophic for Foxtel.''



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Story continues below Foxtel paid AFL a record $650 million over five years for four exclusive live games a week, yet pays the NRL only $42 million a year for five live games a week. Foxtel boss Kim Williams has acknowledged the high price paid - which allows coverage of all AFL games - was designed to increase subscriptions in the AFL states (currently 24 per cent in Adelaide to 27 per cent in Melbourne), well below subscriptions in Sydney (38 per cent) and Brisbane (32 per cent).
Wow. 32 Million. Well ****ing done David Gallop you TWAT!
 

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maybe we'll get some magic beans in the next deal
 

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Wow. 32 Million. Well ****ing done David Gallop you TWAT!
42 million a year, a third of the AFL deal but its not a fair comparison because the AFL negotiated their deal recently

so wait for the NRL to get their deal to be fair
 

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42 million a year, a third of the AFL deal but its not a fair comparison because the AFL negotiated their deal recently

so wait for the NRL to get their deal to be fair
There last one was 250 plus fro memory.

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780 over 5 years bro.

Thats over 150 M a season compared to our 40 M.

Dont try me on this bro. Gallop undersold our rights.
 

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780 over 5 years bro.

Thats over 150 M a season compared to our 40 M.

Dont try me on this bro. Gallop undersold our rights.
650M over 5 years = 130M a year = AFL New Deal

42M a year = NRL old deal = a third of the AFL deal like i said originally

but the point is the AFL has a new deal done while the NRL deal is still based on numbers from quite a few years ago
 

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New AFL deal is worth 1.235 BILLION.

dont know where you got 650M.

I was talking in general not just foxtel
 

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New AFL deal is worth 1.235 BILLION.

dont know where you got 650M.

I was talking in general not just foxtel
well im going to call you Mr Unfair from now on

when you produce AFL tv numbers you count free to air as well as foxtel

but you only count foxtel when you talk about the NRL tv deal

The current NRL TV Deal should only be compared with the old AFL deal, which is 780M vs 500M

650M is how much foxtel will pay the AFL, so wait until the NRL signs the new deal before comparing (but dont expect the NRL to beat the AFL deal because the AFL is a better game to carry on TV)
 

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Not expecting to beat it - but MUCH closer to parity!

And yes - im lebaneese - OFC im unfair :P

We generate almost the same numbers in audience, always have about 7 NRL games ranked in the top 10 for the year, not to mention SOO.
 

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Not expecting to beat it - but MUCH closer to parity!

And yes - im lebaneese - OFC im unfair :P

We generate almost the same numbers in audience, always have about 7 NRL games ranked in the top 10 for the year, not to mention SOO.
yeah but from a tv point of view the NRL only generates that same audience for only about 2 hours while the AFL fan must watch for 3 hours because they have quarterly breaks as well as lengthy stoppages for goals

so if the AFL got 1.25B, the NRL should aim for at least 66.6% of that, and if we get a billion dollar deal then it would be a great deal
 

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yeah but from a tv point of view the NRL only generates that same audience for only about 2 hours while the AFL fan must watch for 3 hours because they have quarterly breaks as well as lengthy stoppages for goals

so if the AFL got 1.25B, the NRL should aim for at least 66.6% of that, and if we get a billion dollar deal then it would be a great deal
I wouldn't hold my breath, Rodzilla.
 

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77 of the top 100 shows shown on foxtel last year where NRL games. This includes all channels.
NRL should demand more money than the AFL got, we destroy their ratings.
If they dont achieve this, its because we have baboons in charge of the game
 

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This story is nonsense. Hasn't the journalist heard of "posturing" and "leverage"? It's an empty threat and Foxtel will know that.
 

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This story is nonsense. Hasn't the journalist heard of "posturing" and "leverage"? It's an empty threat and Foxtel will know that.
Considering how much TV dollars contribute to the NRL's operating income, i'll have to call this article a joke aswell. Pay TV NRL is so popular on Fox Sports and Fox obviously know that so they will be taking the Pay TV role for NRL games once again for another 5 season or however long the next deal is. I'm just hoping it won't as paltry as the current deal and considering that as member on this thread have stated that NRL Games are almost always occupying the Top 100 rated programs on Fox Sports every season, there should be a more suitable asking price this time around and with a high rate of subscibers in NSW and QLD to Fox, there should be more incentive to get a much, much, much better deal.
 

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At least Gallop is finally saying the right things, Fox would lose alot of subscriptions if they had no league on it and they know this. This is just a negotiating tactic.

We will be getting a significant upgrade in our deal but it is unrealistic to expect us to get what the AFL got, if we can get anything over $900m over 5 years we are in a much better position and the with new teams coming in before 2015, the tv deal after this will be the MAJOR pay day.
 

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At least Gallop is finally saying the right things, Fox would lose alot of subscriptions if they had no league on it and they know this. This is just a negotiating tactic.

We will be getting a significant upgrade in our deal but it is unrealistic to expect us to get what the AFL got, if we can get anything over $900m over 5 years we are in a much better position and the with new teams coming in before 2015, the tv deal after this will be the MAJOR pay day.
Definetly...:peace:

Plus, with the "steady" nationalisation of the competition as the seasons progress under the NRL banner, a Perth club for example would entice a further incentive to increase the deal after the one coming up as well but analysing that now would be stretching it at the moment...
 
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i wish they would broadcast more nrl on free to air tv, only 3 games aweek,
 
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