Moved : The Keating/Romelo retention argument.

[pillow]

people hate sandow because he always goes for the shoulder charges and misses half the time, not to mention he misses most tackles anyway. Also our defense has been great yes, but who says thats what the shoulder charges he pulls off are for? His hits fire up the team, you can see it and it intimidates the attackers, do you think thurston wouldn't have that in the back of his mind the next time he's attacking romelo's side? please tell me what keating does for the team that any one of him, hodkinson and romelo couldn't do and then compare that to what hodkinson and romelo can do that keating can't. I see keating as more of a NSW cup player than romelo, the only reason he hasn't been dropped is because of the way our forwards are playing and he hasn't been playing ****, he's playing to standard but that's it, he's not who we need in our halves.

It was clear on saturday night that romelo wasn't used to the first grade tactics. When Keating gets the ball on the left, it's a smooth transition with Barba sweeping around the back. When Romelo got it, the pay pretty much stopped.

 

[Book]

Also, Keating is a better kicker than Romelo, I think he is also a better distributor (not that his distribution is great, but it has really improved this season) and support player at FG level.

Romelo plays on aggression and whilst I admire that to a certain degree, it doesn't put him above any players in our team and it certainly doesn't compensate for his lack of ability as a halves player.

You say Keating is not what we need in the halves, so are you suggesting Romelo is?

 

[Tegga]

Not saying he should be there, i 100% think it should be hodkinson when fit, but i rate romelo over keating for what we have available, also i think if given another shot this week we will see improvements from him, i think he has a lot more to offer than keating. He also has better support play from what i have seen and he's been playing halves in nsw cup so i would think he has got a good kicking game evident in that fact that joey johns and fitler both pointed it out and made mention of it when interviewing graham. And i actually think some of his passes in those set plays that keating usually plays a part in where better, and with the breakdown of play that happens every now and then, are you going to replace ennis even though there are several occasions in each game where he kills all our attacking momentum with one of his useless runs where he is swallowed up by marker, this week when we were on their line. Also take into acount the amount of game time keating has had and the coaching of des and yeah sure he has improved, but don't you think the same would occur had romelo had that coaching.
and yes i expect you to read this

 

[Captain Kickass]

We're being incredibly harsh on Romelo considering he's played a whole 18 first grade games.

It'll take 50 games before we realise what he is capable of.

 

[pillow]

We're being incredibly harsh on Romelo considering he's played a whole 18 first grade games.

It'll take 50 games before we realise what he is capable of.

We will take no notice of your posts re: Romelo due them being posted with a raging hard on lol

 

[BankstownBulldog]

We're being incredibly harsh on Romelo considering he's played a whole 18 first grade games.

It'll take 50 games before we realise what he is capable of.

/Discussion postponed until Romelo hits 50 games in firsts.

One way or another I think it would be silly not to keep him around cause C.K will open up one hell of a can of kickass if he was let go.

 

[Paint.]

Keating has it all over Romelo. Better passing game, kicking game, running game, support play, speed off the mark, long distance speed, defence and communication.

/argument

 

[Mr Invisible]

People need to go back and watch Keating's first NRL game for us this year.
Then watch the next 3.

WIN
LOSS
LOSS
LOSS

Keating started off quite rusty this year, and with some work from Hasler and coaching staff, is at the point he is at now. That said if our forwards don't perform (as we've seen already a few times this year), then Keating is completely negated because he isn't inventive enough to "take a chance".

Romelo has played one game in the halves this year, all the rest was off the bench for Ennis. He IS inventive and thinks outside the box (chip kicks, etc). Even if our forwards don't perform he has the ability to life the side with a hit that loosens up a ball or fires up our defence.

Romelo = less games and 2 more tries than Keating.
Keating = yet to score this year.

They are completely different players, but you need to take into account the players that are assisting them. Keating looks good because pressure is taken off him by our forwards. If they play crap then Keating will have a shocker.

On the flipside Romelo doesn't need or forwards to fire to look reasonable.

Anyway bottom line I'm happy to give Romelo a few more games with some guidance from Hasler.

 

[Tegga]

where is any evidence at all that supports this? romelo is a first grader and keating is a fringe first grader at best

 

[Doggiezbrah]

People need to go back and watch Keating's first NRL game for us this year.
Then watch the next 3.

WIN
LOSS
LOSS
LOSS

Keating started off quite rusty this year, and with some work from Hasler and coaching staff, is at the point he is at now. That said if our forwards don't perform (as we've seen already a few times this year), then Keating is completely negated because he isn't inventive enough to "take a chance".

Romelo has played one game in the halves this year, all the rest was off the bench for Ennis. He IS inventive and thinks outside the box (chip kicks, etc). Even if our forwards don't perform he has the ability to life the side with a hit that loosens up a ball or fires up our defence.

Romelo = less games and 2 more tries than Keating.
Keating = yet to score this year.

They are completely different players, but you need to take into account the players that are assisting them. Keating looks good because pressure is taken off him by our forwards. If they play crap then Keating will have a shocker.

On the flipside Romelo doesn't need or forwards to fire to look reasonable.

Anyway bottom line I'm happy to give Romelo a few more games with some guidance from Hasler.

Great post, you might offend the keating bandwagon fans.

 

[Captain Kickass]

Look ... I know I'm an idiot with Romelo-coloured glasses on ... my point is this : If we could keep Brad Morrin around for years and still love him despite his obvious lack of required talents, SURELY Joel fits THAT bill ?

Brad Morrin was fantastic because he was a busted arse who was never supposed to make it, but somehow he managed to NOT listen to the naysayers and grew to be a cult hero who you could depend on when the chips were down. You knew EXACTLY what you were gonna get by putting him in a side. Run hard, get smashed, tackle lots, get up and do it again and again until the coach says stop.

Joels' the same ... but with more skill, and better "D".

He was never supposed to make it. Mofo is not much bigger than an inflatable clown in the middle of a jumping castle. But he didn't listen. HE frustrates lazy (more talented) idiots because they think they should have it over him, AND THEN he smashes unsuspecting idiots dumb enough to run at him.

What's more ... he loves doing it !
It's his "thing".

You can't mould Joel into a position ... you simply let Joel loose !!!
He's the icing on your footy-squad cake !

 

[Mr Invisible]

Romelo has something that Reynolds has.... a competitive streak.

That's not to say all our other players don't have it, but Reynolds and Romelo it is noticable in. They hate losing, and they HATE stuffing up. Romelo was filthy with himself after kicking that ball out on the full, and when he fired that missile to Wright (who was to blame for missing it). Thing is, he'll learn from those mistakes.

Reynolds and Romelo played a lot of footy together, and did anyone notice after Romelo drilled Thurston, Reynolds evened the tally by dropping... Bowen I think it was. They are players that feed off each others energy, and that's worth something for lifting a side as well.

 

[K E]

If I live to be 500, I still won't understand the hype around Romelo. Whether you like it or not, Keating is part of the most lethal attack in the NRL. Morris, and to a lesser extent, Barba (1st and 2nd top try scorers) have been set up numerous times by our set plays which have always included Keating. It's debatable, at best, if Romelo could also have done it, too, but FACT is, Keating has done it and not Romelo.

There's a reason why the best coach in the NRL chooses, and will continue to choose, Keating over Romelo.

 

[rexest]

If I live to be 500, I still won't understand the hype around Romelo. Whether you like it or not, Keating is part of the most lethal attack in the NRL. Morris, and to a lesser extent, Barba (1st and 2nd top try scorers) have been set up numerous times by our set plays which have always included Keating. It's debatable, at best, if Romelo could also have done it, too, but FACT is, Keating has done it and not Romelo.

There's a reason why the best coach in the NRL chooses, and will continue to choose, Keating over Romelo.

I agree, there will always be niff nuffs like mr i hyping up players that are back ups at best

 

[Big Owl]

CK & Mr I are right on the money with this one.
I'm a big Romelo fan and he deserves his opportunity. He also deserves the time to settle into the role.
Even if KK comes back, we still need to be able to cover positions in the finals and Romelo will do the job if we need it.

 

[Karat]

Romelo has something that Reynolds has.... a competitive streak.

That's not to say all our other players don't have it, but Reynolds and Romelo it is noticable in. They hate losing, and they HATE stuffing up. Romelo was filthy with himself after kicking that ball out on the full, and when he fired that missile to Wright (who was to blame for missing it). Thing is, he'll learn from those mistakes.

Reynolds and Romelo played a lot of footy together, and did anyone notice after Romelo drilled Thurston, Reynolds evened the tally by dropping... Bowen I think it was. They are players that feed off each others energy, and that's worth something for lifting a side as well.

sorry,I still don't understand the hype over Romelo Mr I..

especially when you don't acknowledge how good Sezer is, yet you continue to talk up a fringe first grader like Romelo.....

fact is, whether you like it or not, once Keating is fit, he will be back in the squad, and Romelo will be playing NSW cup again.

 

[Gabs]

Keating may be a more complete footballer than Romelo, but Romelo has more heart than both Keating brothers combined. They guy is tiny and plays like his life depends on bashing attackers and running over defenders.

Yes, I am on the Romelo bandwagon!

 

[Mr Invisible]

Wouldn't you think if Keating was in our 2013 plans he'd be re-signed already?

sorry,I still don't understand the hype over Romelo Mr I..

especially when you don't acknowledge how good Sezer is, yet you continue to talk up a fringe first grader like Romelo.....

fact is, whether you like it or not, once Keating is fit, he will be back in the squad, and Romelo will be playing NSW cup again.

I've always acknowldeged Sezer's ability. It was his attitude that got him shown the door because he wouldn't listen and thought he was the greatest NRL player in history before he'd even played first grade.

 

[K E]

Wouldn't you think if Keating was in our 2013 plans he'd be re-signed already?

The duration of contract a negotiation doesn't mean anything. And he will be re-signed for two years. Assuming all goes to plan.

 

[MP4 - Eedz]

I think the day we signed Des Hasler we all should have taken a back seat to weekly team predictions, signing/re-signing, etc ... the guy knows what his doing. Not to say Kevin Moore and Steve Folkes didn't, well maybe I am saying that, but with Hasler it's undisputed

Leave it all in his capable hands