Mortimers attack Bulldogs' 'bully-boy'

Status
Not open for further replies.

pittbull

Kennel Participant
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
376
Reaction score
0
comment By Nick Walshaw
Telegraph

September 17, 2007 12:00am

FORMER Canterbury champion Peter Mortimer last night said the Bulldogs must abandon their bully-boy style for attacking football or continue to fall short at the business end of the season.

Mortimer's comments came as Bulldogs players conceded their reputation as "finals specialists" was dead and buried in the wake of their 25-6 sudden-death loss to rivals Parramatta on Saturday night.

"I'm sick of it," Bulldogs star Willie Mason said post-match. "I just can't cope with losing the way we are any more. This is becoming a big problem for us."

The Bulldogs attempted, yet failed, to out-muscle Parramatta through the forwards - a one-dimensional tactic which has concerned Mortimer.

"The Dogs have to change their style," Mortimer told The Daily Telegraph.

"For years they have tried to muscle opposition sides through the forwards but it's not working these days.

"Sides that are winning these days are showing flair and are prepared to throw the ball around.

"Canterbury haven't had an impressive backline since Terry Lamb retired.

"That shows to me they are only trying to dominate through the forwards. Other teams have changed, the Bulldogs haven't."

Mortimer and brother Steve called on the club to consider changing their halfback, five-eighth and hooker for 2008.

"I wouldn't say it's the end of an era but the club certainly needs to look at hooker, halfback and five-eighth," Steve Mortimer said.

"The club needs to look around, even for some halves who aren't getting a run at other clubs and give them the chance."

Dogs players admitted their reputation as being a dominant force in the finals was over.

"People talk about the Bulldogs being finals specialists," prop Mark O'Meley said. "But that just hasn't been happening and Andrew Ryan told everyone a month ago that the time for talk was over, that we had to act.

"But we haven't done that. And it was the same last year. We had a perfect opportunity to win a premiership, to have a real crack, but once again we just didn't deliver."

Kangaroo great Gorden Tallis fired the first shots at Belmore last week, telling The Daily Telegraph the Bulldogs were slowly losing their intimidation factor and "living in the past".

"Over the past few weeks everyone has been talking us up but we just haven't produced. And, yeah, we have lost that tag," skipper Andrew Ryan said.

"I don't know if it's a problem between the ears or what but we just didn't turn up. Parramatta rolled straight through us in the middle of that ruck with ease."

Asked if the Bulldogs had lost their finals aura, Mason added: "I'm not sure about that . . . but we can't have one more year when we don't turn up in the finals."

Despite the concerns of his mates, departing hooker Adam Perry insisted it would take more than two finals flops to rid the club of a "culture" that had been built up since the 1980s.



"That aura will still be here come finals time next season," Perry said. "Having been here 11 years you realise this isn't something the club can lose in a week, a year, even in two finals series. The culture has been built up over years and years."



.
 

pittbull

Kennel Participant
Joined
Apr 24, 2005
Messages
376
Reaction score
0
Dogs to review year of missed chances
September 16, 2007 - 5:41PM

Bulldogs coach Steve Folkes has vowed to undertake a thorough end of year review following his side's dismal failure in the 2007 NRL season.

The Bulldogs plummeted from top four contenders a month ago to semi-final victims on Saturday night, a 25-6 loss to Parramatta at Telstra Stadium the club's fourth successive defeat to end their year.

It was the first time in two years the Bulldogs had lost four on the trot, Folkes bemused at his star-studded side's inability to reach their potential for a second year in a row.

The Bulldogs lost a preliminary final to eventual premier Brisbane last year and Folkes was at a loss to explain why they under-performed in 2007.

"Obviously if I had a solid grasp of the reasons I would be working really hard to rectify it," said Folkes.

"It's probably only half a dozen games this year when we have played well and played to our potential and that's disappointing.

"We'll have a long look at our season through the offseason and review everything and go over everything and see if we can come up with some answers."

The Dogs certainly ran out of answers against Parramatta, left ruing missed opportunities in the second half as the Eels toyed with them until delivering a late knock out blow.

Two things will become abundantly clear to Folkes when he conducts his end of year review, the first will be the need to overcome the loss of departing stalwarts in prop Mark O'Meley and hooker Adam Perry.

But the other more concerning factor will be how can his side score points and not just rely on leading tryscorer and backrower Sonny Bill Williams?

The Bulldogs have often lacked direction and composure this year, with halves Brent Sherwin and Ben Roberts coming under considerable criticism, and it was never more evident than in their ill-fated attempts to draw level with Parramatta.

Halfback Sherwin crossed in the 47th minute and could have levelled scores but was held up by two Parramatta defenders.

And on the hour in their only other tryscoring chance Andrew Ryan failed to complete a midfield break when he was pulled down by PJ Marsh and lost the ball.

"We had some opportunities but again as has been pretty much the story for a lot of the year we were unable to convert those opportunities into points," said Folkes.

"We were in the contest for the second half but a lot of that was due to the fact they couldn't put us away.

"We've only got ourselves to blame. We have no excuses and they were just far too good for us on the night in just about every area.

"It's just really hard for us to come off the back of three losses ... it's hard to turn around that form off the back of three losses in a row."

© 2007 AAP
Brought to you by


SPONSORED LINKS
 

Rodzilla

Terry Lamb 1996
Joined
Dec 22, 2004
Messages
42,605
Reaction score
6,175
all this because of phil gould

we cant clean house this year

everyone is under contract this year, not just our players but players we hope to get

i dont think anything can be more stupid then someone saying a massive clean up is needed for next year

2008 is locked down people
 

bobnbo

Waterboy
Joined
Dec 26, 2005
Messages
56
Reaction score
1
What a gr8 article, even the kennelers new this a long time ago. Yep even the kiddies that get on here that rant & rave, maybe the club should think about reading some of the posts that are put in this site & pay attention to what others see, or do they need a good clip under the ear & be told to wake up.
 

_G-Dog_

Kennel Legend
Joined
Apr 29, 2006
Messages
13,344
Reaction score
7,790
Cleanout isnt needed.
What is needed is really looking at a few key areas:

Hooker - Hopefully Sullivan will solve the lack of speed and flair from dummyhalf

Halves - Very inconsistent, a shadow of 2002-2004. Poor organisation, Poor kicking game, Poor 5th tackle options

Backline - We need a bit more speed out wide

Cleanout is not necessary. We just did not turn up VS Parra, and they struggled to put us away
 

The Beer Baron

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Sep 15, 2006
Messages
1,275
Reaction score
5
Gus said a while ago that any successful team needs a strong 'spine'. Starting at the top with Hooker, then half back, 5/8 and Fullback. If a team is strong in these positions the rest of the team can improve.
So for us
Hooker - Hughes, not much impact, can't kick from dummy half and gives away lots of penalties.
Half Back - Sherwin, some glimpses of talent but no consistency, I don't know if he has lost his drive or what.
5/8 - Roberts, a nice step and elusive, but as a 5/8 he is not First grade material, maybe a dummy half bench player.
Fullback - Patten, One of (maybe the only) consistent player, has become much better over the years since he joined us.
You look at the other top sides and they are strong in those positions, all 4 of them not 1 like us.
 
K

kennyy

Guest
He is right. We need to look at what is missing and its defensive. We miss Grimaldi so bad you can see it in the middle of the field.
Next year with Sullivan coming in i think push ryan to lock let him tackle everything that moves and have sbw/mase/maitua/koups etc on the edges.
The halves need looking at as well
 

KaTe Maari

player agent
Joined
Apr 22, 2007
Messages
840
Reaction score
0
massive change in position needed. and the way we are tackling is specious but fruitless. sonny has been suffering with shoulder injuries by his king hit. and maitua has paid for his over-enthusiasm in the games.
agree with the idea ryan to lock as he played a defensive role offers less threat in attack.
if we dont try the likes of heka nanai(wing) and tim winitana(wing or 5/8) theres no where they would turn up. call for nick koups to the starting line but his not physically fit it yet, hope he will improve during off season.
 
H

Haztrick

Guest
We can still be damaging with our forwards but we need to throw the ball around more. We take hit up after hit up and don't spread it and when we do spread it, we just end up taking regular hit ups with the centers. We need to get adventurous. Try chip kicks, offload in risky situations and take a chance. Because obviously just hitting it up isn't doing much good.
 
K

kennyy

Guest
throwing the ball is all well and good but u need to hold onto it

inconsistency and dropped ball this yr thats all its been
 

Drummer_boy05

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Jul 14, 2005
Messages
1,592
Reaction score
5
Its not Gould talking you IDIOT its blatantly obvious! The whole world except for you can see that...

If it is just Gould then Gould for Coach!!!
 
K

kennyy

Guest
i disagree that our style is outdated. dropping the ball doesnt help and cheap penalties

we used to build pressure and then force the error, the past month we build pressure drop the ball then give cheap penalties coming out of their halves

IMO this is all a overreaction just like when folkes was apparently goingto get sacked, we beat the warriors that week and look what happened, we didnt hear abt it again all year

Next year boys.
 

Rodzilla

Terry Lamb 1996
Joined
Dec 22, 2004
Messages
42,605
Reaction score
6,175
Its not Gould talking you IDIOT its blatantly obvious! The whole world except for you can see that...

If it is just Gould then Gould for Coach!!!
give me one quote from anyone made before last saturdays game that anyone has said about our forward pack is a bad thing

please, that is a challenge for you drummer
 
D

DJ ALMO

Guest
5.Utai - Gone (poor reading and defence is sh't out wide.)
6.Roberts - Gone (is not a halve, put him somewhere else.)
7.Sherwin - Gone (just isn't doing it for us.)
9.Hughes - Gone (very good defence, just no spark and creativity, sullivan is here for a reason.)
17.Hickey - Gone (until he is fit, is faster and more mobile you can put him in)
 

Drummer_boy05

Kennel Enthusiast
Joined
Jul 14, 2005
Messages
1,592
Reaction score
5
give me one quote from anyone made before last saturdays game that anyone has said about our forward pack is a bad thing

please, that is a challenge for you drummer
Does my thread from about 4mths ago count????
 
K

kennyy

Guest
disagree almo

el masri sherwin gotta go

bring in nanai and shift roberts to half maybe groom/koups in there somewhere too.
i duno the answer but we need something a little better
 
D

DJ ALMO

Guest
21 years and said:
disagree almo

el masri sherwin gotta go

bring in nanai and shift roberts to half maybe groom/koups in there somewhere too.
i duno the answer but we need something a little better
El masri isn't the key to us losing he probably has a tiny factor which is leading him into leaving which is his speed, but he is almost always a certainty in contesting the highball and being successful, great reader of the play, intercept king, goal kicking legend (don't hate about his goal kicking and say that it's shiit now, look at the conversion vs parra, his back, every goal kicker has a slump)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top