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[AlzzBulldog]

I was always expecting 2020 to be as bad as this year

It doesn't have to be if we get our shit together, there's no excuses

 

[Doomsdaydog]

Since some continue to deliberately misinterpret what I post. let's try the reverse.
So what you are saying is Cronk, Slater and Smith were complete turds and Bellamy magically polished them into diamonds.
That without Bellamy coaching them they would have been nobodies, never even made it to NRL level.
That when Inlgis was no longer coached by Bellamy that he was hopeless,faded into obscurity.
Ditto Cronk, totally lost it without Bellamy coaching him.
That we sent Kasiano to Bellamy and he did the same, magically turned him in to a diamond (sic).
With all that magic ability to turn rocks into diamonds, yet he has only won 2 premierships in his 16 years (without the highest ever level of cheating).

I could go on, but that's what taking what someone says and blowing it out of proportion. Cronk, Slater, Smith and Inglis all had extraordinary abilities and Bellamy recognised and harnessed that. If he wants to be recognised at the Bennett, Sheens, Gibson level (winning premiership with more than one team) or even the Proven level (robbed of it at the Sharks) then he has to coach another team to an NRL premiership. That's my view, one that is shared by many.

Go Dogs

Geezz you love pissing in the wind

 

[Alan79]

Bellamy never purchased complete immortals or superstars, just like for example the Roosters.

Bellamy brought up Smith, Cronk and Slater as teenagers and over the years with his coaching, systems in place and other forces and factors, turned them to what they were/are.

He is doing very similar things with Munster and Papenhouzen.

Bellamy is a club/career coach and not a representative coach, where they get to choose the best from the best

To say he will be questioned because he had 3 immortals is rubbish. It's rubbish because he created these immortals, from their NRL debuts to pretty much there last game of 1st grade footy (obviously Cronk moved away at the end of his career for a nice piece of meat)

It's pointless to keep arguing on this topic as long as Bellamy stays with the storm. The facts are that since he started with the storm he's been lucky enough to have an administrative team that has bought in great prospects for him to work with. From a junior development and recruitment perspective you can't fault the way the storm have carried out their roles.

You can argue many points about his ability to turn rock into diamond. Finch for example thrived in his system supported by the lesser responsibility of playing alongside of a fantastic spine. Ben Roberts didn't, nor have a number of other halves who could potentially have benefited from playing support roles in their side.

Bellamy hasn't ever stepped into a system that wasn't delivering quality players for him to work with. And if he's smart he won't ever face a situation where he has to rely on substandard talent to keep his reputation intact. Even Bennett has struggled with rosters that didn't have great talent levels.

 

[Doomsdaydog]

Imagine 18 year olds in Billy Slater, Cameron Smith and Cooper Cronk playing under the tutelage of Dean Pay!

 

[TwinTurbo]

It's pointless to keep arguing on this topic as long as Bellamy stays with the storm. The facts are that since he started with the storm he's been lucky enough to have an administrative team that has bought in great prospects for him to work with. From a junior development and recruitment perspective you can't fault the way the storm have carried out their roles.
You can argue many points about his ability to turn rock into diamond. Finch for example thrived in his system supported by the lesser responsibility of playing alongside of a fantastic spine. Ben Roberts didn't, nor have a number of other halves who could potentially have benefited from playing support roles in their side.
Bellamy hasn't ever stepped into a system that wasn't delivering quality players for him to work with. And if he's smart he won't ever face a situation where he has to rely on substandard talent to keep his reputation intact. Even Bennett has struggled with rosters that didn't have great talent levels.

Belllamy also has what must be now around $1m in TPA's, which means his team should always be ~10% better than ours ie; he can always afford to have 1 more $1m a year player than we can, or 2 more $500k players etc. Plus he is in Melbourne where no one really gives a shit about NRL, so his players are just about anonymous and can "get away" with stuff that they never could in Brisbane or Sydney. As well as having 2 feeder clubs from the Queensland Cup, the Eastern Suburbs Tigers (Munster, Glasby, Kaufusi, Bromwich and Welch) and the Sunshine Coast Falcons (Johns Junior) where they can stock pile players well away from their base of operations. Melbourne also supply each of those 2 clubs with specialist coaches FoC.

The undeniable fact is Melbourne (similarly Brisbane) being in a one team city has enormous advantages, including substantial financial ones that we will never achieve being in Sydney.

Go Dogs

 

[TwinTurbo]

Imagine 18 year olds in Billy Slater, Cameron Smith and Cooper Cronk playing under the tutelage of Dean Pay!

Be nice if you got your facts right, Slater, Cronk and Smith were all 20 years old when Bellamy took over as Melbourne coach in 2003.

Go Dogs

 

[Real1]

It doesn't have to be if we get our shit together, there's no excuses

What’s getting our shit together... releasing players from the last year of their deals and paying em to be at other clubs?? This was always anticipated unfortunately

 

[bullanth]

Heard that French will be here next year

I hope not ,I'd rather persevere with what we have,he hasn't played first grade in almost 2 years,no thanks