is this true

[Indiandog]

That one win in the normal season is equivalent of 200,000 dollars for the club in terms of tickets, merchandise sale and other relevant shit where a club makes money from.

I know it is hard to quantify what a win means in terms of dollars cos it is dependent on a lot of variables. but here is an example to clarify my question

in 2012 when bulldogs were winning every single game , we probably had twice as many people buying tickets for the game and may be more than twice the merchandise was sold than what the club have experienced in 2017 (obviously a shit year interms of wins)

So if the average attendance in 2012 was 20,000 per game
and in 2017 it is down to 10,000 per game
average price of a ticket, let say is $20 .

we just lose $ 200,000 per game on ticket sales alone.

so the real question I want to ask is or the comment i want to make is that the club shouldnt be afraid of sacking Des just cos they have to fork out a million dollars , cos we are already losing more in ticket sales after 5 losses.

 

[_G-Dog_]

Makes sense.. winning good for business

 

[blueyedsamurai]

He'll get till next year with Foran before they'll sack him, the "finals every year and 2 GFs" are the reasons why he still has a job.

 

[magdog]

He'll get till next year with Foran before they'll sack him, the "finals every year and 2 GFs" are the reasons why he still has a job.

The board should be forced to sit through each and every scoreless half of football we have played this year, THEN be asked to make a decision on his future.

 

[obje]

The board should be forced to sit through each and every scoreless half of football we have played this year, THEN be asked to make a decision on his future.

Might just take a holiday overseas instead

 

[Dogzof95]

Not when we play, when this current team plays, we don't win the game, the opposition lose it!

 

[KiwiDog7]

Um er probably part of the reason Castle won't be at the helm next year

 

[Oatley Dog]

I think the principle you are putting forward is right although the dollars wouldn't be. For example we have a lot more pre-paid members now than we did in 2012 so the club has already banked the money no matter who comes in the next few weeks. Where it is significant though is in the casual attendees and I think you are right in that there are probably several thousand of those each week who aren't going this year and that will hurt financially. They are selling plenty of merchandise at the moment but it is discounted heavily (70%) so they aren't making anything out of that. Had we been vying for the top 4 you would see plenty of new gear on the streets. So all up this season will probably cost the club a lot more than Des' salary payout, but not in the final few weeks. I reckon that will add about $250k to the annual loss.

 

[Mr Invisible]

Club gets paid the same #winloseordraw

Once the venue and NRL take their cut, it wouldn't be close to numbers quoted.

Given most of those attending would be members, that's prepaid over the entire year, and some of that would go back into game day experience, and the like.

Merchandise sales would vary game to game and I doubt would have taken a big hit (I'll explain below).

Food costs unlikely to make much from it.

So really merch sales would be the big slide (even then not huge).

If we have lots of ticketed members to each game, that would explain why they won't boycott, as they have already paid to watch the team play.

If there was no memberships then we'd see huge drop in revenue, but clubs get paid a set amount each week to play.

It'd only be casuals without membership that would impact the bottom line, and merchandise (but most fans would have bought merchandise at start of season - so that's unlikely to make a huge dent).

Casuals would be low I reckon as crowds haven't changed much all season.

This is probably a big reason why Dib & Co aren't too worried with the situation.

It'll only become obvious and cause for concern if only 10k sign up as members for 2018, and nobody buys merchandise. But that won't be seen for a month or two into the 2018 season.

That is when I reckon change will get forced (after the AGM and when season is a month old).

 

[Indiandog]

Club gets paid the same #winloseordraw

Once the venue and NRL take their cut, it wouldn't be close to numbers quoted.

Given most of those attending would be members, that's prepaid over the entire year, and some of that would go back into game day experience, and the like.

Merchandise sales would vary game to game and I doubt would have taken a big hit (I'll explain below).

Food costs unlikely to make much from it.

So really merch sales would be the big slide (even then not huge).

If we have lots of ticketed members to each game, that would explain why they won't boycott, as they have already paid to watch the team play.

If there was no memberships then we'd see huge drop in revenue, but clubs get paid a set amount each week to play.

It'd only be casuals without membership that would impact the bottom line, and merchandise (but most fans would have bought merchandise at start of season - so that's unlikely to make a huge dent).

Casuals would be low I reckon as crowds haven't changed much all season.

This is probably a big reason why Dib & Co aren't too worried with the situation.

It'll only become obvious and cause for concern if only 10k sign up as members for 2018, and nobody buys merchandise. But that won't be seen for a month or two into the 2018 season.

That is when I reckon change will get forced (after the AGM and when season is a month old).

makes sense, but still i think bums on seats (not the already paid members) every game makes a lot of money for a club which also means more merch sales.

agree the impact of the failed 2017 season will show up in 2018 , so it has a delayed affect.

 

[Spoonman84]

Well if they couldn't pull a profit when the team makes the finals and GF there's no way they'll be doing well this year.

The report will be very interesting to read this year.

 

[Mr Invisible]

I don't think the club gets anywhere near as big a cut as suspected for day sold tickets. Which is why they push memberships so hard.

Not sure how much cut the stadium and NRL make from food/merch. It's possible the club makes nothing from food sales.

By time the stadium, and NRL take a cut of day a ~$30 ticket, I reckon club would get less than $10. Even with $10, let's assume there are 2000 non members dogs fans a game (could be accurate given our crowds this year and 30k members), that's $20k a game in ticket revenue. Over 26 rounds $520k, but from that half are away rounds ($260k), and some home games the club took regional or overseas.

So if we get $10 on each ticket sale for non members and numbers are roughly correct, probably only making $200-230k a season all up. A long way from a million dollar Des bail out.

 

[Indiandog]

I don't think the club gets anywhere near as big a cut as suspected for day sold tickets. Which is why they push memberships so hard.

Not sure how much cut the stadium and NRL make from food/merch. It's possible the club makes nothing from food sales.

By time the stadium, and NRL take a cut of day a ~$30 ticket, I reckon club would get less than $10. Even with $10, let's assume there are 2000 non members dogs fans a game (could be accurate given our crowds this year and 30k members), that's $20k a game in ticket revenue. Over 26 rounds $520k, but from that half are away rounds ($260k), and some home games the club took regional or overseas.

So if we get $10 on each ticket sale for non members and numbers are roughly correct, probably only making $200-230k a season all up. A long way from a million dollar Des bail out.

yeah but a successful season ie top 4 position at the end of the year can bring in extra 10-15,000 memberships the following year.

similarly you can lose 10-15000 members due to consecutive failed seasons.

so that is 1 million - 1.5 million dollars lost in future earnings in a single year.

 

[pillow]

Surely the sponsors have to pipe up and ask what's happening for their investment...

 

[Spoonman84]

Surely the sponsors have to pipe up and ask what's happening for their investment...

Opal Solar definitely won't be there next year

 

[Mr Invisible]

yeah but a successful season ie top 4 position at the end of the year can bring in extra 10-15,000 memberships the following year.

similarly you can lose 10-15000 members due to consecutive failed seasons.

so that is 1 million - 1.5 million dollars lost in future earnings in a single year.

Maybe. But how much did the club blow on free memberships without batting an eyelid.

Plus NRL give the club money, plus leagues club.

I don't think the impact is as bad as you perceive... and it's one failed season technically.

If it was truly that bad the leagues club board would step in, cut the grants, and demand change.

 

[CrittaMagic69]

CANTERBURY BULLDOGS - ANZ Stadium

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: Fee paid to ANZ Stadium based on ticket sales

Revenue

Ticket sales: Each club estimates a ticket is worth $15 to $25 a person. Against South Sydney on Good Friday last year, the Bulldogs made more than $400,000 on ticket sales alone from a crowd of more than 50,000 (club members did not pay for entry).

Average crowd: 21,371 (a 155 per cent increase in average crowds compared with the club’s last season at Belmore Sports Ground in 1998, when the Bulldogs averaged 8363 for a home game).

Corporate: The Bulldogs have some of the largest corporate numbers in the NRL. Some 140 companies and an estimated 1000 people in total use the corporate facilities per game (at an estimated value of $120,000).

Merchandise: The Bulldogs average $1.50 a spectator for each game and up to $2 a spectator at blockbuster matches.

Membership: 14,500 (a 480 per cent increase on the club’s last season at Belmore).

Bulldogs: The Bulldogs were the first club to use ANZ Stadium as their home ground in 1999. From 2001 to 2005, they played most of their home games at the nearby Sydney Showground, before making the permanent move to ANZ Stadium in 2006. Last year they became the first Sydney club to attract more than 50,000 people to a regular season match when 51,686 spectators piled into ANZ Stadium for the Good Friday clash against South Sydney.

With reciprocal membership rights allowing fans of both teams to attend the match, the Bulldogs sold an additional 20,000 tickets, worth about $400,000. Reciprocal rights have added further value to memberships, allowing fans to attend a total of 15 games at the Olympic Park venue this year. ANZ Stadium has this year introduced free wi-fi for fans, which Bulldogs chief executive Raelene Castle believes is a huge advantage over suburban grounds. ‘

‘The addition of the wi-fi to ANZ Stadium gives the in-stadium crowd the opportunity to tweet, text, Facebook and view statistics and replays in a similar way to the fans at home,’’ Castle said. ‘‘This technology will become more valuable as the Bulldogs develop more fan initiatives with wi-fi at the centre.’’

The Bulldogs have played a trial match at their spiritual home at Belmore the past two seasons and there have been discussions about a NRL match in 2014 to celebrate their 80th anniversary being played at the ground. However, operational costs, which include bringing in lighting up to broadcast standard for night games, means the Bulldogs will sacrifice a substantial amount to stage a match at the venue, even if were a sellout.

There are now also free trains to and from games at ANZ Stadium, a benefit not available at suburban grounds.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

 

[Oatley Dog]

I don't think the club gets anywhere near as big a cut as suspected for day sold tickets. Which is why they push memberships so hard.

Not sure how much cut the stadium and NRL make from food/merch. It's possible the club makes nothing from food sales.

By time the stadium, and NRL take a cut of day a ~$30 ticket, I reckon club would get less than $10. Even with $10, let's assume there are 2000 non members dogs fans a game (could be accurate given our crowds this year and 30k members), that's $20k a game in ticket revenue. Over 26 rounds $520k, but from that half are away rounds ($260k), and some home games the club took regional or overseas.

So if we get $10 on each ticket sale for non members and numbers are roughly correct, probably only making $200-230k a season all up. A long way from a million dollar Des bail out.

They don't get anything for walk ups. They get a flat fee for each game at ANZ no matter who turns up. They get money from NZ and BSG according to attendances but not ANZ. I seem to remember it being about $100k a game.

 

[Indiandog]

CANTERBURY BULLDOGS - ANZ Stadium

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: Fee paid to ANZ Stadium based on ticket sales

Revenue

Ticket sales: Each club estimates a ticket is worth $15 to $25 a person. Against South Sydney on Good Friday last year, the Bulldogs made more than $400,000 on ticket sales alone from a crowd of more than 50,000 (club members did not pay for entry).

Average crowd: 21,371 (a 155 per cent increase in average crowds compared with the club’s last season at Belmore Sports Ground in 1998, when the Bulldogs averaged 8363 for a home game).

Corporate: The Bulldogs have some of the largest corporate numbers in the NRL. Some 140 companies and an estimated 1000 people in total use the corporate facilities per game (at an estimated value of $120,000).

Merchandise: The Bulldogs average $1.50 a spectator for each game and up to $2 a spectator at blockbuster matches.

Membership: 14,500 (a 480 per cent increase on the club’s last season at Belmore).

Bulldogs: The Bulldogs were the first club to use ANZ Stadium as their home ground in 1999. From 2001 to 2005, they played most of their home games at the nearby Sydney Showground, before making the permanent move to ANZ Stadium in 2006. Last year they became the first Sydney club to attract more than 50,000 people to a regular season match when 51,686 spectators piled into ANZ Stadium for the Good Friday clash against South Sydney.

With reciprocal membership rights allowing fans of both teams to attend the match, the Bulldogs sold an additional 20,000 tickets, worth about $400,000. Reciprocal rights have added further value to memberships, allowing fans to attend a total of 15 games at the Olympic Park venue this year. ANZ Stadium has this year introduced free wi-fi for fans, which Bulldogs chief executive Raelene Castle believes is a huge advantage over suburban grounds. ‘

‘The addition of the wi-fi to ANZ Stadium gives the in-stadium crowd the opportunity to tweet, text, Facebook and view statistics and replays in a similar way to the fans at home,’’ Castle said. ‘‘This technology will become more valuable as the Bulldogs develop more fan initiatives with wi-fi at the centre.’’

The Bulldogs have played a trial match at their spiritual home at Belmore the past two seasons and there have been discussions about a NRL match in 2014 to celebrate their 80th anniversary being played at the ground. However, operational costs, which include bringing in lighting up to broadcast standard for night games, means the Bulldogs will sacrifice a substantial amount to stage a match at the venue, even if were a sellout.

There are now also free trains to and from games at ANZ Stadium, a benefit not available at suburban grounds.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

well there you go.

$400,000 just from one game from tickets sales.

imagine how many would have turned up for last eels v dogs game if we were in a decent form.

 

[Oatley Dog]

CANTERBURY BULLDOGS - ANZ Stadium

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: Fee paid to ANZ Stadium based on ticket sales

Revenue

Ticket sales: Each club estimates a ticket is worth $15 to $25 a person. Against South Sydney on Good Friday last year, the Bulldogs made more than $400,000 on ticket sales alone from a crowd of more than 50,000 (club members did not pay for entry).

Average crowd: 21,371 (a 155 per cent increase in average crowds compared with the club’s last season at Belmore Sports Ground in 1998, when the Bulldogs averaged 8363 for a home game).

Corporate: The Bulldogs have some of the largest corporate numbers in the NRL. Some 140 companies and an estimated 1000 people in total use the corporate facilities per game (at an estimated value of $120,000).

Merchandise: The Bulldogs average $1.50 a spectator for each game and up to $2 a spectator at blockbuster matches.

Membership: 14,500 (a 480 per cent increase on the club’s last season at Belmore).

Bulldogs: The Bulldogs were the first club to use ANZ Stadium as their home ground in 1999. From 2001 to 2005, they played most of their home games at the nearby Sydney Showground, before making the permanent move to ANZ Stadium in 2006. Last year they became the first Sydney club to attract more than 50,000 people to a regular season match when 51,686 spectators piled into ANZ Stadium for the Good Friday clash against South Sydney.

With reciprocal membership rights allowing fans of both teams to attend the match, the Bulldogs sold an additional 20,000 tickets, worth about $400,000. Reciprocal rights have added further value to memberships, allowing fans to attend a total of 15 games at the Olympic Park venue this year. ANZ Stadium has this year introduced free wi-fi for fans, which Bulldogs chief executive Raelene Castle believes is a huge advantage over suburban grounds. ‘

‘The addition of the wi-fi to ANZ Stadium gives the in-stadium crowd the opportunity to tweet, text, Facebook and view statistics and replays in a similar way to the fans at home,’’ Castle said. ‘‘This technology will become more valuable as the Bulldogs develop more fan initiatives with wi-fi at the centre.’’

The Bulldogs have played a trial match at their spiritual home at Belmore the past two seasons and there have been discussions about a NRL match in 2014 to celebrate their 80th anniversary being played at the ground. However, operational costs, which include bringing in lighting up to broadcast standard for night games, means the Bulldogs will sacrifice a substantial amount to stage a match at the venue, even if were a sellout.

There are now also free trains to and from games at ANZ Stadium, a benefit not available at suburban grounds.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

Except that it is wrong. We get a specific fee for each home game irrespective of the crowd.