Iran v Israel - possible situation

[Doogie]

The wank was having a sook that there are Palo refugees living in Lebanon because "Lebanon is for Lebanese", even though it's said by a Lebo living in Australia who's family are refugees.

Add to that Israel say Hezbullah is Iran run but haven't got the balls to attack Iran.

So to sum up, it's a cesspool filled with evil *****. That's why the Mid East is a shit hole sadly.

Hezbollah could be run by the wiggles - still don't change that if Hezbollah aren't firing rockets into Israel they probably don't go crazy looking north. Maybe I'm wrong though.

And its the way the world is as the moment. No one with any capacity fights with their own people. Easier to get others to fight. And I reckon he has a point to a degree, Lebanon has been used by other countries to take pot shots at Israel since the 1970's.

Agree about the cesspool though.

The guy is calling Palestinians scum and hopes they get driven to the sea (his words)

I was talking in the broader sense. Not old mate. Palestine has copped a right royal proverbial since 1948 (so this kind of talk is just shite).

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Hey bro - what am I missing here?

Parking the long term abuse of Palestinians. Also parking that Hamas have taken control of Gaza and have refused to have an election since 2006, when they were elected.

Hezbollah (who have clearly stated many times wiping Israel off the map is what they are here for) decides to attack Israel. Israel attacks Lebanon as thats where Hezbollah are.

So for the average Leb who wants nothing to do with Hezbollah, whats the beef here?

Mixed thing. Ouwet was saying that Hezbollah are bad (and they are), but he also said that Lebanese shouldn't care about what happens to Palestinians, and he said that Palestinians are all terrible people, that Palestinian immigration to Lebanon ruined Lebanon, and that all Arabs and other immigrants should leave Lebanon and only Lebanese should live in Lebanon.

I agree with the Hezbollah part. If Hezbollah didn't start attacking Israel then I doubt Israel would attack Lebanon. It's the rest of the stuff that turned it super problematic.

 

[Doogie]

Mixed thing. Ouwet was saying that Hezbollah are bad (and they are), but he also said that Lebanese shouldn't care about what happens to Palestinians, and he said that Palestinians are all terrible people, that Palestinian immigration to Lebanon ruined Lebanon, and that all Arabs and other immigrants should leave Lebanon and only Lebanese should live in Lebanon.

I agree with the Hezbollah part. If Hezbollah didn't start attacking Israel then I doubt Israel would attack Lebanon. It's the rest of the stuff that turned it super problematic.

Well - quite a lot of it has been deleted but if memory serves - it took two to tango.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Well - quite a lot of it has been deleted but if memory serves - it took two to tango.

Yep. That's why I didn't bother deleting any of it. Just two different opinions attacking each other. And I disagree with each side on many points. I don't think Hezbollah is the only problem Lebanon has (corrupt politicians, infighting among the different groups), but Hezbollah is a problem and they're not good for Israel. And they're the ones (acting as a proxy for Iran) that dragged Lebanon into this conflict.

But I also don't think the following comments are called for (these are the ones that haven't been deleted):

"No one cares for the Palestinians and Hezbollah except morons like you online you goose"

"Palestinians overstayed their welcome got armed fought against lebanese time for them to get pushed to Gaza or the sea!"

"Lebanon for the Lebanese only!"

"You are not Lebanese you are a scummy Palestinian!!"

The other side said similar uncalled for comments to. As you say, takes two to tango.

 

[L.B]

I don't give 2 fucks what religion you are... good for you, guess what I'm orthodox also (for real) who cares!

Palestinians overstayed their welcome got armed fought against lebanese time for them to get pushed to Gaza or the sea!

My parents didn't come to Australia on a refugee visa or as refugees! They got papers in Lebanon and came the legitimate way not the way you morons went to Lebanon and thought u could take over!

Your responses are

Dumb fuck
Let adults talk

When you can write an argument with points then someone might reply to you!

All your replies are insults and have no logic! Anyone who differs is a Zionist lol you ignore the fact majority of Lebanon hate hezbollah. You ignore Iran has been silent since the start, Syria where are you? Arabs where are you?

No one cares for the Palestinians and Hezbollah except morons like you online you goose.

You seriously think Israel would dare do this without permission from Iran? Lol. Deluded fucks. Keep the Zionist shit going its funny!

And when you go back to school and actually learn history maybe insults won’t be thrown your way but unfortunately you can’t teach stupid backwards hicks how not to be racist degenerate fucks that their mums possibly dropped on their heads and should’ve swallowed?

Look up the term refugee gronk and the 1948 nakbah fuckwit

And who cares if the majority hate Hezbollah!? Whether he was there or not ISRAEL WAS GOING TO INVADE ANYWAY YA HMAR, LIKE THEY TRIED IN THE 1982 WAR WHICH YOUR OUWET BITCHED OUT OF FIGHTING WHICH FORMED HEZBOLLAH YA ZAKI

Fuck me dead, I’ve met stupid but you’re on a different level!

Also Iran back Hezbollah the US back IsNOTreal fuckface

 

[Doogie]

And when you go back to school and actually learn history maybe insults won’t be thrown your way but unfortunately you can’t teach stupid backwards hicks how not to be racist degenerate fucks that their mums possibly dropped on their heads and should’ve swallowed?

Look up the term refugee gronk and the 1948 nakbah fuckwit

And who cares if the majority hate Hezbollah!? Whether he was there or not ISRAEL WAS GOING TO INVADE ANYWAY YA HMAR, LIKE THEY TRIED IN THE 1982 WAR WHICH YOUR OUWET BITCHED OUT OF FIGHTING WHICH FORMED HEZBOLLAH YA ZAKI

Fuck me dead, I’ve met stupid but you’re on a different level!

Also Iran back Hezbollah the US back IsNOTreal fuckface

Didn't Israel invade Lebanon in 82 to neutralise palestinian militias and support a govt that would not allow palestinian militias free reign? And Israel withdrew once the PLO left Lebanon I believe.

So you can make an argument, no militias attacking Israel, no invasion. No Hezbollah attacks, no invasion seems about the same to me.

Have I missed something?

 

[TrueDawg]

You moron open your eyes!
Hezbollah had no right to launch rockets into Israel for Oct 7th. They put Gaza in front of Lebanon, they're the traitors!

Sunnis in Tripoli are partying lmfao.
No one wants hezbollah but the Muppet Iranians and Palestinians and some idiotic lebanese who put Palestine in front of Lebanon!

They brought this on themselves!

You have no response to what I said
You're an enemy of Lebanon because you celebrate the deaths of Lebanese civilians. This shows your true character

One of the most deadliest days in Beirut since probably when your Ouwet cowards massacred refugees in 1982, while being protected by your Israeli Masters.

Can't fight against soldiers so you decide to massacre innocent women and children

 

[TrueDawg]

Didn't Israel invade Lebanon in 82 to neutralise palestinian militias and support a govt that would not allow palestinian militias free reign? And Israel withdrew once the PLO left Lebanon I believe.

So you can make an argument, no militias attacking Israel, no invasion. No Hezbollah attacks, no invasion seems about the same to me.

Have I missed something?

No
Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon for nearly 2 decades

No illegal invasion and occupation then there's no Hezbollah

 

[UmoGus]

No
Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon for nearly 2 decades

No illegal invasion and occupation then there's no Hezbollah

I'm sure Israel still occupy a southern portion of lebanon. Can't remember the name though?

 

[TrueDawg]

Hezbollah could be run by the wiggles - still don't change that if Hezbollah aren't firing rockets into Israel they probably don't go crazy looking north. Maybe I'm wrong though.

And its the way the world is as the moment. No one with any capacity fights with their own people. Easier to get others to fight. And I reckon he has a point to a degree, Lebanon has been used by other countries to take pot shots at Israel since the 1970's.

Agree about the cesspool though.

I was talking in the broader sense. Not old mate. Palestine has copped a right royal proverbial since 1948 (so this kind of talk is just shite).

Israel is responsible for over 80% of the cross border attacks over the Israeli-Lebanon border this past year
They are the ones currently committing a genocide
They have attacked Lebanon multiple times before Hezbollah even existed

They are an apartheid Terrorist state

 

[TrueDawg]

I'm sure Israel still occupy a southern portion of lebanon. Can't remember the name though?

Shebaa Farms
More than that too

 

[UmoGus]

Shebaa Farms
More than that too

That's the one

 

[TrueDawg]

Bro 100% the people don't deserve it... its harom! But these people want these militias and these militias bring this sort of mess!

You keep making excuses for your Zionist masters. Such a good little boy you are. Do they give you shmacko every time you defend them?

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Didn't Israel invade Lebanon in 82 to neutralise palestinian militias and support a govt that would not allow palestinian militias free reign? And Israel withdrew once the PLO left Lebanon I believe.

So you can make an argument, no militias attacking Israel, no invasion. No Hezbollah attacks, no invasion seems about the same to me.

Have I missed something?

Yeah, but there's an extra level of complexity to it. Israel didn't invade to help the government. The government was already in tatters. When it looked like the PLO and its allies (mainly left wing Lebanese of different religious backgrounds, and Muslims) were likely to win and take control of the country (thanks to the backing of Syria and others), Israel invaded to overthrow the PLO and install their own government that was pro-Israel.

 

[Doogie]

No
Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon for nearly 2 decades

No illegal invasion and occupation then there's no Hezbollah

I stand corrected. Complete withdrawal in 2000. And that was to support Lebanese militias who were figthing against militias that wanted to continue to fight Israel. As for illegal invasion, what defines a legal invasion? The general definition of the legality of an invasion is based on aggression. UN General assembly resolution 3314 article 3 states, as examples, invasion or attack by armed forces of a state, military occupation, bombardment against the territory of another state, blockade of ports or coasts, action of a state in allowing its territory to be used for preparing an act of aggression against a third state, and the sending of armed bands, groups, irregulars, or mercs to carry out armed actions on another state. Think that definition is met by the last few lines.

So - why does Hezbollah still exist now? All Hezbollah did was replace the previous attacks on Israel with new ones.

Don't get me wrong - not supporting Israels actions in relation to Gaza and the West Bank. I view that as completely unjustified.

 

[Doogie]

Israel is responsible for over 80% of the cross border attacks over the Israeli-Lebanon border this past year
They are the ones currently committing a genocide
They have attacked Lebanon multiple times before Hezbollah even existed

They are an apartheid Terrorist state

And this is the problem. The Israel Palestine problem is completely separate from Israel Lebanon. There are no excuses for Israel now. A solution should have been found a long time ago.

Lebanon - yes they had. And I already explained why. Maybe if Hezbollah and its proxies stopped firing at Israel they'd stop firing back. 2005 was when Hezbollah said "It’s destination is manifested in our motto, ‘Death to Israel’". So if you are telling your people this for 20 years and you give me an excuse, yeah, my response is probably going to be significant.

Imv Israel is acting like a terrorist in the Palestinian territories. And Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation. But Lebanon, the moment Hezbollah fired away the day after the hamas attack became a legitimate war target.

 

[TrueDawg]

I stand corrected. Complete withdrawal in 2000. And that was to support Lebanese militias who were figthing against militias that wanted to continue to fight Israel. As for illegal invasion, what defines a legal invasion? The general definition of the legality of an invasion is based on aggression. UN General assembly resolution 3314 article 3 states, as examples, invasion or attack by armed forces of a state, military occupation, bombardment against the territory of another state, blockade of ports or coasts, action of a state in allowing its territory to be used for preparing an act of aggression against a third state, and the sending of armed bands, groups, irregulars, or mercs to carry out armed actions on another state. Think that definition is met by the last few lines.

So - why does Hezbollah still exist now? All Hezbollah did was replace the previous attacks on Israel with new ones.

Don't get me wrong - not supporting Israels actions in relation to Gaza and the West Bank. I view that as completely unjustified.

Israel are the aggressor, always have been
Its an illegal settler colonial state that was created by the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

Hezbollah exists because the Lebanese army is too weak to defend Lebanon against the fascist state of Israel. That is the reality, I wish the Lebanese army was stronger so Hezbollah doesn't need to exist but that isnt the case

Look what happened in the West Bank. There's no Hamas in the west bank remember, the Fatah government laid down their weapons nearly 30 years ago. There was meant to be a "roadmap peace"
What has happened since was more and more illegal settlement in the west bank
The Israelis have said countless times they want to do the same to Lebanon

 

[TrueDawg]

And this is the problem. The Israel Palestine problem is completely separate from Israel Lebanon. There are no excuses for Israel now. A solution should have been found a long time ago.

Lebanon - yes they had. And I already explained why. Maybe if Hezbollah and its proxies stopped firing at Israel they'd stop firing back. 2005 was when Hezbollah said "It’s destination is manifested in our motto, ‘Death to Israel’". So if you are telling your people this for 20 years and you give me an excuse, yeah, my response is probably going to be significant.

Imv Israel is acting like a terrorist in the Palestinian territories. And Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation. But Lebanon, the moment Hezbollah fired away the day after the hamas attack became a legitimate war target.

Hezbollah fired into the Shebaa farms after October 7
That area is Lebanese land occupied by Israel

If they don't want to be fired at then they should stop their occupation

Israel isn't acting like terrorists. They're acting like Nazis

 

[Doogie]

That's the one

Thats the one that has lebanese farmers but was administered by Syria. Bashir was asked by the UN to work with the Lebanese to determine the exact border (as post WW2 maps showed it as Syrian) but refused. But it also gives everyone the argument that Israel did not withdraw completely.

Its a technicality but a reasonable one. If its not part of Lebanon its parts of the Golan Heights.

 

[ouwet]

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