Gus believe all Melbourne Storm premierships count.

[Chrisaaar]

The NRL is seriously the worst run 'professional' sport in the world. The salary cap, the refs, constant rule changes, media bias and corruption that's on display every week is ruining this once amazing game.

How can it be a fair competition if Melbourne get 1 Mil extra a year thru 3rd party payments to spend?

That's legit 3 or 4 quality players or nice bonuses to the ones they want to retain that other clubs simply cannot compete with (don't give me some bs about them not facilitating these payments).

Guys saying they should count those premierships they 'won' whilst almost a Mil over the cap is a disgrace (that's just the number we know of btw).

In other words.. cheating is acceptable and all is forgiven.

FMD.

Sometimes I wish my old man never took me to the gf in 95 when I was 8. I wouldn't have to bother with this shit

 

[chisdog]

It should also be noted that the Storm exceeded the salary cap when they won their first premiership as well, but it was legally done. The Storm along with the merged clubs were allowed bigger salary caps in order to get the clubs started.

If you are going to have a salary cap, then have a salary cap & not have 3rd party agreements & other exceptions. The cap was put in to even up the competition & then it was eroded due to influence & coercion from people like Uncle Nick.

The other way to have a fair system would be to have a points system & everybody's points get assessed annually.

 

[Packstar]

If the Storm didn't win those two premierships then who did?.
It was 13 against 13 on the day.
Whether they would have had the same players to win to win if they didn't cheat is another thing.
But having super stars whether you cheated or not is no quarantee that you will win.
The Dogs cheated and their 17 wins in the row still stands.
It could be argued that if Dogs didn't cheat the cap, they properbly wouldn't have the same players to win the 17 in the row.

That is correct.

If that was the Dogs winning those premierships noone on here would say boo

 

[Flanagun]

They cheated, they got caught, those premierships don’t count. It’s pretty simple and there’s absolutely no grey area. We lost the chance to win a premiership due to cheating, Melbourne won two due to cheating and were rightly stripped of them. Whether they could have won without cheating we will never know.

Celebrating premierships that were stripped from them because of systematic cheating. What a bunch of flogs.

Our 17 straight shouldn’t count either, tbh.

The salary cap is flawed and absolutely needs an overhaul, but you can’t keep two sets of books and expect to keep your accolades if you get busted. Lol!

 

[GTOWN]

My biggest problem is inconsistency
It comes down to the timing of when you are caught
Round 5? Lose all points, fine, mabye forced to lose players, but potentially play on and have a chance of winning
Round 20? Lose all points, fine, lose players next year or just take pay cuts, play on with no chance of winning
After the GF? You can’t suddenly say it’s ok, keep your title, we will fine you and you lose players, or take pay cuts, but the win still stands?

 

[Nano]

I'd say it is like taking steroids, yeah it's cheating but you still need to put in the hardwork and keep at it otherwise you end up like the Eels who cheated and got nowhere lmao. They did cheat the salary cap to maintain those players which was unfair but they trained and were coached like all other players in the competition.

It not like they were given instant wins and the grand final was placed in their laps, all the hard work was there albeit from a massive disadvantage to the other clubs but its not like other clubs couldn't cheat the cap themselves to compete...

 

[Como Dog]

I'd say it is like taking steroids, yeah it's cheating but you still need to put in the hardwork and keep at it otherwise you end up like the Eels who cheated and got nowhere lmao. They did cheat the salary cap to maintain those players which was unfair but they trained and were coached like all other players in the competition.

It not like they were given instant wins and the grand final was placed in their laps, all the hard work was there albeit from a massive disadvantage to the other clubs but its not like other clubs couldn't cheat the cap themselves to compete...

and many who didn't win were probably breaching it as well .... yep that includes you Uncle Nick!!!!

 

[Psycho Doggie]

Anyone like the idea of scrapping the cap but going with some variation of financial fair play like soccer in Europe, to ensure that no one bankrupts themselves trying to buy a team of internationals?

It would be a challenge to manage, but it would help drive interest to the game because all of a sudden clubs who get their finances sorted out would be able to pay big bucks for the best players out there. No more losing blokes to big time rugby. The long term effect could be to accelerate the growth of the game internationally.

 

[chisdog]

and many who didn't win were probably breaching it as well .... yep that includes you Uncle Nick!!!!

When the Bulldogs were stripped of their points back in 2002, I spoke to 2 player managers who said that the Roosters were cheating the cap more than anybody. They said (both independently) that because the Roosters didn't have many juniors, they WERE paying overs to get players in. The difference is that we had a disgruntled associate who dobbed us in. I can imagine that if someone like that had turned up at the Roosters, he would have been paid off or threatened.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Anyone like the idea of scrapping the cap but going with some variation of financial fair play like soccer in Europe, to ensure that no one bankrupts themselves trying to buy a team of internationals?

It would be a challenge to manage, but it would help drive interest to the game because all of a sudden clubs who get their finances sorted out would be able to pay big bucks for the best players out there. No more losing blokes to big time rugby. The long term effect could be to accelerate the growth of the game internationally.

Having no cap would suit us, we have $plenty when the Leagues Club is fully operational. But the gaps between the haves and the have nots would be permanent. Eventually the constant losing would lower their revenue even more until the have nots would finally fold. For sure the Salary Cap is far from perfect but Clubs can survive and even poorer ones can jag a decent year occasionally.

Go Dogs

 

[Psycho Doggie]

Having no cap would suit us, we have $plenty when the Leagues Club is fully operational. But the gaps between the haves and the have nots would be permanent. Eventually the constant losing would lower their revenue even more until the have nots would finally fold. For sure the Salary Cap is far from perfect but Clubs can survive and even poorer ones can jag a decent year occasionally.

Go Dogs

Create divisions, that way the haves and the talent pool are a bit more concentrated but there is still a way for smaller clubs to get to the top if they can put the finances together.

 

[Delta]

Absolutely ridiculous. What if the storm were found to be cheating half-way through the 2009 season instead of after it? They would have been docked all points and not even be able to play the grand final.

Bulldogs in 2002 were found halfway through the season, they did not get the opportunity to play in the grand final.

 

[Shanked]

the records show no champion was crowned the years they cheated, so they have 4. Next

 

[CroydonDog]

The number of people who so flippantly condone cheating is a bit concerning.

 

[ddt192]

Oh get fucked Gus

 

[Nano]

The number of people who so flippantly condone cheating is a bit concerning.

It's how you can move up in life though lmao, can't always play by the book or unfair rules set by someone else. If you cheat and get away with it well you just outplayed the game and its rule setter/s.

 

[Dogzof95]

The positive thing in this entire mess is Parramatta missed out on a premiership.... and so it continues!!!

 

[TwinTurbo]

It's how you can move up in life though lmao, can't always play by the book or unfair rules set by someone else. If you cheat and get away with it well you just outplayed the game and its rule setter/s.

More like they made up their own rules, eg; players sign 2 contracts, and played a different game under those rules.

Go Dogs

 

[Dognacious]

If the Storm didn't win those two premierships then who did?.
It was 13 against 13 on the day.
Whether they would have had the same players to win to win if they didn't cheat is another thing.
But having super stars whether you cheated or not is no quarantee that you will win.
The Dogs cheated and their 17 wins in the row still stands.
It could be argued that if Dogs didn't cheat the cap, they properbly wouldn't have the same players to win the 17 in the row.

Storm shouldn't be rewarded simply because they weren't caught before they won gfs, like we were.

 

[dogluva]

So he says money doesn't make them better players, yet forgets to mention that those players wouldn't be playing together if they didn't cheat

Um, hello but weren't the contracts in question, the dual contracts/ set of books , those of the top players in the squad including Cam the man ...They were not paying the lesser lights two lots of payments...