News Folau case may send Rugby Australia broke.

[Hacky McAxe]

As far as I know, Raelene Castle never inserted any social media clauses into his contract after the first incident last year. She was stupid enough to leave it up to Israel as to what he would do in the future without any contractual clauses.

Yep. That's the problem here. She didn't put a clause in there which is why this is now going to the courts. Stupid move by her.

That's not what I'm talking about though. It's a common in any contract that you can't do anything that would bring a bad name to the company brand. Where it becomes more complex is how representation of the brand works. If you're outside work but wearing your company logo then you're acting as a representative of the company. So if you do something bad it's the same as doing it at work.

The grey area is when you're an obvious representative due to fame. Everyone in the world knows you work for a company so any action you do reflects on the company and invokes the brand damage clause. You see this when board members or CEOs do something stupid in public and end up getting fired.

This brand damage effect is even stronger when it comes to sports stars because people all know them. All that said, Folau had the extra added effect that on his Instagram profile he listed himself as a Rugby player for NSW and Australia, and had photos of himself wearing an Australian jersey and photos of him at training.

It's a little known fact but if you list your company name on social media then you can be fired for posting inflammatory things on social media. Happens quite often. It's one of many reasons why I don't list my work place on social media except for Linkedin which I use purely for work.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

I agree, his post was all of those things and singled out a whole raft of people and groups of people.

However, I think people should consider why the media and other people generally only spoke about gay people and not the other groups he singled out. IMO, this highlighted the extreme bias and double standards of the media these days where they will claim to be open and inclusive etc, but only towards certain 'approved' groups, such as homosexuals, muslims, indigenous and women etc.

Of course it's true that Israel Folau offended potentially the majority of the Australian population by posting what he posted. I personally don't agree with anything that he said but I will always defend his right to say what he believes, regardless of who it offends.

Offence taking has become a career in the last decade and it's to the detriment of western society.

Offending someone is not a crime, nor should it be an offence that you can be sacked for.

We should be teaching people to be resilient in the face of someone who offends us. We should be teaching people to THINK when they're offended instead of getting emotional and curling up into a ball. Maybe if people think they might learn something and take a different view.

Oddly enough I actually agree with you here to the most part.

I strongly support freedom including freedom of speech. And my general response is to tell people to harden up.

But my freedom extends to everything. Freedom of speech but freedom for others to carry out repercussions. If a person's comments damage the company they work for then I support the freedom for the company to sack that person.

Freedom of speech is one of the most often confused things. Ignoring the fact that we don't have US style freedom of speech (which annoys me), Freedom of speech means that you are free to talk about whatever you want without the government restricting you. It doesn't allow you to say whatever you want without people criticising you and it doesn't allow you to say whatever you want without your company enacting repercussions for what you said. It also doesn't protect you from legal ramifications. In the US if you constant post lies about a company, the government can't stop you. But that company can sue you, because free speech doesn't protect you from private repercussions.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Why don't the media report how men are more likely to commit suicide if they want to be all inclusive?

Some do. Unfortunately it's not popular. There are many reports that come up about male suicide but people don't care. It's a really sad thing.

I volunteered for a men's mental health group and we faced constant opposition. When you ask a company to sponsor you their response is, "Sorry. I only support women's advocacy groups"

 

[Dawgfather]

Yep. That's the problem here. She didn't put a clause in there which is why this is now going to the courts. Stupid move by her.

That's not what I'm talking about though. It's a common in any contract that you can't do anything that would bring a bad name to the company brand. Where it becomes more complex is how representation of the brand works. If you're outside work but wearing your company logo then you're acting as a representative of the company. So if you do something bad it's the same as doing it at work.

The grey area is when you're an obvious representative due to fame. Everyone in the world knows you work for a company so any action you do reflects on the company and invokes the brand damage clause. You see this when board members or CEOs do something stupid in public and end up getting fired.

This brand damage effect is even stronger when it comes to sports stars because people all know them. All that said, Folau had the extra added effect that on his Instagram profile he listed himself as a Rugby player for NSW and Australia, and had photos of himself wearing an Australian jersey and photos of him at training.

It's a little known fact but if you list your company name on social media then you can be fired for posting inflammatory things on social media. Happens quite often. It's one of many reasons why I don't list my work place on social media except for Linkedin which I use purely for work.

I think the issue that should be debated in all of this, is the one that you have highlighted. Where is the line drawn between work and personal ilfe? It used to be very clear (finish work at 5pm and go home to live your life). Nowadays people work from home, they work at odd hours, they use common devices to access both work and personal accounts.

I'm also really careful about not having any references to my employer anywhere other than Linkedin, because as you mentioned - the consequences could be huge if someone reports something i've posted.

Personally, I wouldn't do what Folau did, but I don't think that's because I'm a better person than him. If anything, I wonder whether it's because he holds greater convictions than I do and is also braver and more of a man?

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Here's an example of it. Posted yesterday is a story on the recent rise in male suicide. But you don't see this story normally because no one will repost it on social media

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...k/news-story/4488a31ab0392ce1f7ee1a8717e73d38

 

[The DoggFather]

I'll roll out the red carpet for you, my liege.

I'm thinking of starting a business where you can hire me to come tell off wankers for people that can't.

Then I'll make a show recording it and call "reality hurts" lol

 

[Memberberries]

I don't want to get too much into 'conspiracy theory' style discussion etc, but anyone with a bit of a brain can see the media are generally left leaning and generally part of the ruling class 'elite' along with many politicians and celebrities etc. They sing from the same hymn sheet - i.e. they are all 'progressive' and all have the same thoughts when it comes to talking points like:

Men are a problem and women are victims
White people and western culture are the problem and ethnic and indigenous people are victims
Straight people are problems and homosexuals are victims
Hetero people are problems and transgender people are victims

It would be viewed as extremely offensive (for example) to state a fact like 'Women physically abuse men far more often than men abuse women, however women suffer worse because men are physically stronger and as a result do more damage than women do'.

Speaking of abuse and manipulation by women its happening to me right now.

 

[Rodzilla]

I agree, his post was all of those things and singled out a whole raft of people and groups of people.

However, I think people should consider why the media and other people generally only spoke about gay people and not the other groups he singled out. IMO, this highlighted the extreme bias and double standards of the media these days where they will claim to be open and inclusive etc, but only towards certain 'approved' groups, such as homosexuals, muslims, indigenous and women etc.

Of course it's true that Israel Folau offended potentially the majority of the Australian population by posting what he posted. I personally don't agree with anything that he said but I will always defend his right to say what he believes, regardless of who it offends.

oh please stop acting like this is about you defending individual rights lol, this is straight up taking sides

when the national anthem protest was going on I don't recall you defending them in fact you were highly negative and wanted them to be punished

 

[Rodzilla]

I think the issue that should be debated in all of this, is the one that you have highlighted. Where is the line drawn between work and personal ilfe? It used to be very clear (finish work at 5pm and go home to live your life). Nowadays people work from home, they work at odd hours, they use common devices to access both work and personal accounts.

I'm also really careful about not having any references to my employer anywhere other than Linkedin, because as you mentioned - the consequences could be huge if someone reports something i've posted.

Personally, I wouldn't do what Folau did, but I don't think that's because I'm a better person than him. If anything, I wonder whether it's because he holds greater convictions than I do and is also braver and more of a man?

yeah I wonder what you and others like you would do if there was no consequences, all of you are hiding the true feelings

 

[Dawgfather]

yeah I wonder what you and others like you would do if there was no consequences, all of you are hiding the true feelings

I am honestly not clear what you're saying. Can you clarify?

 

[Dawgfather]

oh please stop acting like this is about you defending individual rights lol, this is straight up taking sides

when the national anthem protest was going on I don't recall you defending them in fact you were highly negative and wanted them to be punished

I've never hid this. I openly explained my reasoning which was that these guys are putting their political protest on show when they are 'at work', in the middle of a state of origin. Completely different to Folau.

 

[Dawgfather]

Speaking of abuse and manipulation by women its happening to me right now.

How so?

 

[Rodzilla]

I am honestly not clear what you're saying. Can you clarify?

if there was no consequences, what would you do?

you guys seem to want to shatter the current political correctness culture and renegotiate what is currently off limits, so if you are successful what would you or other people do in the new climate?

keep in mind that when your team last had the ball you were cooking people to death because they didn't have the correct religious belief and there was a death penalty for gay activity, not too long ago actually and it still is happening in other places

 

[Dawgfather]

if there was no consequences, what would you do?

you guys seem to want to shatter the current political correctness culture and renegotiate what is currently off limits, so if you are successful what would you or other people do in the new climate?

keep in mind that when your team last had the ball you were cooking people to death because they didn't have the correct religious belief and there was a death penalty for gay activity, not too long ago actually and it still is happening in other places

Well me personally, I'm not an activist, and I'm not a particularly political person in the sense that I'm not a member of a party, and I don't get involved in political events or protests etc.

I'm pretty plain jane, do my 9-5, try to enjoy my time with my wife and family and live a good life.

But I know there are others who are political and religious and want to be able to speak their minds publicly, and I guess I advocate for them.

Out of curiosity - what do you mean by 'my team'?

 

[Realist90]

if there was no consequences, what would you do?

you guys seem to want to shatter the current political correctness culture and renegotiate what is currently off limits, so if you are successful what would you or other people do in the new climate?

keep in mind that when your team last had the ball you were cooking people to death because they didn't have the correct religious belief and there was a death penalty for gay activity, not too long ago actually and it still is happening in other places

What places is it still happening in?

 

[Rodzilla]

Well me personally, I'm not an activist, and I'm not a particularly political person in the sense that I'm not a member of a party, and I don't get involved in political events or protests etc.

I'm pretty plain jane, do my 9-5, try to enjoy my time with my wife and family and live a good life.

But I know there are others who are political and religious and want to be able to speak their minds publicly, and I guess I advocate for them.

Out of curiosity - what do you mean by 'my team'?

the right wing team, like alan jones, religious people who want to speak their mind and cook people publicly again, elitists, the media, Nazi sympathisers, secretly racist people, people who are offended by offended people, war mongers, realist90 and people who support genocide

those people want to destroy political correctness and push back because they support the 1820 way of life

 

[Rodzilla]

What places is it still happening in?

in hardcore Islamic states

 

[Realist90]

in hardcore Islamic states

That’s ignoran

 

[Dawgfather]

the right wing team, like alan jones, religious people who want to speak their mind and cook people publicly again, elitists, the media, Nazi sympathisers, secretly racist people, people who are offended by offended people, war mongers, realist90 and people who support genocide

those people want to destroy political correctness and push back because they support the 1820 way of life

The destruction of political correctness would be an entirely positive and productive achievement.

As for the rest of your comments about nazis and people who play identity politics based on race gender etc, those people are destructive and I don’t support any of those ideas.

 

[Rodzilla]

The destruction of political correctness would be an entirely positive and productive achievement.

why?