Coronavirus.

[Dawgfather]

This is the outcome of right wing nutjobs and people like Jones, Hadley, Dutton and the PM. We should all be supporting the decisions of health experts.

Palaszczuk says she's prepared to risk the election if it means following the health advice on border restrictions

Queensland Premier Anastasia Palaszczuk says she is prepared to risk losing the election if it means following the advice of the Chief Health Officer after it was revealed Dr Young was under police protection following death threats.

www.abc.net.au

Agree - Violence or threatening violence against anyone is wrong.

 

[wendog33]

Lost her moral compass'
Meanwhile, Palmer United Party founder Clive Palmer has released a statement condemning Dr Young for allowing Hanks into the state while grieving families were not allowed.

"The double standards being shown by the Queensland Labor Government are a disgrace," Mr Palmer said.

"These senseless border closures are causing pain, suffering and economic turmoil.

"Jeannette Young needs to resign immediately as she has lost her moral compass.

"She knows she will never get another job as she has shown her complete lack of moral fibre."

 

[wendog33]

Hanks was given permission by Duttons Border Force to come here with a supporting letter from Qld Govt. So that the filming could rec commence providing hundreds thousand dollars to economy and jobs. He is in 2 weeks isolation like everybody else.

These factors are being skewed for political reasons and the Qld election.

 

[Dawgfather]

Hanks was given permission by Duttons Border Force to come here with a supporting letter from Qld Govt. So that the filming could rec commence providing hundreds thousand dollars to economy and jobs. He is in 2 weeks isolation like everybody else.

These factors are being skewed for political reasons and the Qld election.

The ability to enter Australia and cross our international border is one thing (and I agree it's wrong if we are letting film stars in but not our own citizens).

But it's a separate matter if they are being allowed to cross the Queensland border.

The health officer in Queensland is on record saying that people like Hanks were allowed in because they're bringing money, versus the poor girl last week just wanted to attend her father's funeral, so she wasn't allowed in. From memory I think the quote from the health officer was "we (Queensland) needs money" or words to that effect.

 

[wendog33]

The Fed Govt and Dutton and Scomo and Hadley will better serve the Australian people by ringing up CEO's of airlines and arranging flights back for the thousands of Aussies still wanting to return from OS.

This story of a pregnant lady who's flight was cancelled and she had to pay extra ten thou should be taken up by Scomo and butt out of Qld!


Pregnant woman told 'in no uncertain terms' she would not be rebooked on her flight home

Pregnant woman told 'in no uncertain terms' she would not be rebooked on her flight home

When Bobbie Dawson was granted an exemption to visit her dying mother in Canada, she planned the trip "to be as safe and manageable" as possible, taking into account her pregnancy and COVID-19 restrictions. But everything fell apart when she was bumped from her returning flight.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Dawgfather]

FYI - Jeanette Young allowed a funeral to go ahead in Mackay in April because:

Jeannette Young said the funeral was for "a very significant elder for that community"

'Sorry business': Why Indigenous funerals are breaking social distancing rules

Dozens of Indigenous funerals have been exempted from COVID-19 limits on the size of gatherings, but the ABC understands several large funerals have been held in Queensland with no such exemption.

www.abc.net.au

 

[wendog33]

The ability to enter Australia and cross our international border is one thing (and I agree it's wrong if we are letting film stars in but not our own citizens).

But it's a separate matter if they are being allowed to cross the Queensland border.

The health officer in Queensland is on record saying that people like Hanks were allowed in because they're bringing money, versus the poor girl last week just wanted to attend her father's funeral, so she wasn't allowed in. From memory I think the quote from the health officer was "we (Queensland) needs money" or words to that effect.

See the full interview. That was selective twisting of what her overall msg was.

The crucial factor that has been her consistant msg is 14 day isolation.

That is all.

Hanks isolated and so did the daughter. Unfortunately her father died. She was given permission to view him in full ppe and saw her mother and sister.

Now her sister has complained about the pm using this for political reasons.

This happens every day in Australia. There are people dying every single day interstate and family cant attend funerals.

 

[KambahOne]

i didn't say she has to declare herself before she can form a view. I said she should be open about her leanings when something is going to print in a national newspaper.

Public opinion will be formed entirely differently based on whether it's clear she does or doesn't hold strong political persuasions.

Particularly given the irony of this girl saying she doesn't want her families grief ending up int he media...she is doing the exact thing she claims she doesn't want Scott Morrison doing.

I'm no great fan of Scott Morrison either. A lot of stuff he's doing throughout this pandemic has been ordinary IMO.

And that is the saddest part of all because it should matter the least. Politics is becoming all too pervasive for mine. Everything that is said, done, not done, a phrase, a gesture, everything is viewed through the prism of politics. I pity those that see the world like this.

 

[wendog33]

FYI - Jeanette Young allowed a funeral to go ahead in Mackay in April because:

Jeannette Young said the funeral was for "a very significant elder for that community"

'Sorry business': Why Indigenous funerals are breaking social distancing rules

Dozens of Indigenous funerals have been exempted from COVID-19 limits on the size of gatherings, but the ABC understands several large funerals have been held in Queensland with no such exemption.

www.abc.net.au

This is not relevant to the current issue.

Different circumstances. Difference times.

Unless of course you want to argue for no restrictions at all for funerals.

 

[wendog33]

If your mother, father, son, daughter caught Covid at that guys funeral....you would (probably) be the first person to sue the CHO for not doing her job properly and protecting the community she is paid to protect.

 

[Dawgfather]

This is not relevant to the current issue.

Different circumstances. Difference times.

Unless of course you want to argue for no restrictions at all for funerals.

I'm just pointing out the double standards being applied in multiple circumstances without any basis.

If you have money, you can come to Queensland, if you don't then no exemption for you.
In some instances exemptions have been granted for funerals, in others they haven't.

I'm not singling out Queensland - the same (and worse) is happening in Vic.

We've had stuff ups in NSW too, and the state border closures around the country have been a joke.

My ultimate point is that if you give unchecked power to government and start allowing government to control more and more of our daily lives, there is only one result.

 

[Dawgfather]

If your mother, father, son, daughter caught Covid at that guys funeral....you would (probably) be the first person to sue the CHO for not doing her job properly and protecting the community she is paid to protect.

No I Wouldn't. I've been vocal for months now that my stance is that individuals should be allowed to decide their own appetite for risk and restrictions should be largely removed except for tough restrictions on aged care (which is where 70-80% of the risk lies anyway).

The vast majority of deaths have been in aged care.

 

[wendog33]

I'm just pointing out the double standards being applied in multiple circumstances without any basis.

If you have money, you can come to Queensland, if you don't then no exemption for you.
In some instances exemptions have been granted for funerals, in others they haven't.

I'm not singling out Queensland - the same (and worse) is happening in Vic.

We've had stuff ups in NSW too, and the state border closures around the country have been a joke.

My ultimate point is that if you give unchecked power to government and start allowing government to control more and more of our daily lives, there is only one result.

That's bs. Do you wear a seatbelt?

You aren't grasping the main criteria.
Pls let this sink in.

Qld Chief Medical Officer requires EVERYONE to spend 14 days in hotel quarantine and then they can attend funerals, run naked through CBD or attend the AFL Grand Final, or finish making a movie that employs hundreds.

I have done some research on this issue in particular.

The daughter has already received 3 exemptions, and visits, to visit her dying father.

I haven't seen verification but "it is heavily speculated , with associates confirming, that she is part of Hillsong and thats why the PM decided to use her case over the thousands of other Australians who cant attend funerals" but yet they understand their moral obligation to protect others.

I came across this below. I cant verify but

" now we learn the rest of the family wanted an early funeral to address their grief. And didn’t believe a stepdaughter should take precedence over everyone else".

The oldest daughter seems to verify this in her open letter. There are 2 families involved and the Pentergast side are very pissed off with the PM.

Anastasia is being blamed by PM's office for making his demand public when in Parliament she said he bullied her (btw no bullying of Liberal states funnily enough who are doing exact same thing ...Tasmania and SA)

The Premier got up in Parliament last week to reply to Deb Frecklington, our Opposition Leader, who demanded answers about the case of Ms Craisip bc no doubt she was tipped off by Scomo to attack Palaszcuk.

Thats the real story behind the sensationalist headlines and beat ups for political gain. Quite literally over someone's dead body.

The fair reporting of the eldest sister is in this Guardian article and I encourage everyone interested in this issue to read it.

We have got to wise up on the dishonest reporting in this country.

Queensland man's daughter condemns Scott Morrison for turning funeral into 'a circus'

Alexandra Prendergast, whose father’s funeral became part of a federal-state brawl over borders, writes open letter to PM

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dawgfather]

That's bs. Do you wear a seatbelt?

You aren't grasping the main criteria.
Pls let this sink in.

Qld Chief Medical Officer requires EVERYONE to spend 14 days in hotel quarantine and then they can attend funerals, run naked through CBD or attend the AFL Grand Final, or finish making a movie that employs hundreds.

I have done some research on this issue in particular.

The daughter has already received 3 exemptions, and visits, to visit her dying father.

I haven't seen verification but "it is heavily speculated , with associates confirming, that she is part of Hillsong and thats why the PM decided to use her case over the thousands of other Australians who cant attend funerals" but yet they understand their moral obligation to protect others.

I came across this below. I cant verify but

" now we learn the rest of the family wanted an early funeral to address their grief. And didn’t believe a stepdaughter should take precedence over everyone else".

The oldest daughter seems to verify this in her open letter. There are 2 families involved and the Pentergast side are very pissed off with the PM.

Anastasia is being blamed by PM's office for making his demand public when in Parliament she said he bullied her (btw no bullying of Liberal states funnily enough who are doing exact same thing ...Tasmania and SA)

The Premier got up in Parliament last week to reply to Deb Frecklington, our Opposition Leader, who demanded answers about the case of Ms Craisip bc no doubt she was tipped off by Scomo to attack Palaszcuk.

Thats the real story behind the sensationalist headlines and beat ups for political gain. Quite literally over someone's dead body.

The fair reporting of the eldest sister is in this Guardian article and I encourage everyone interested in this issue to read it.

We have got to wise up on the dishonest reporting in this country.

Queensland man's daughter condemns Scott Morrison for turning funeral into 'a circus'

Alexandra Prendergast, whose father’s funeral became part of a federal-state brawl over borders, writes open letter to PM

www.theguardian.com

I have no idea whether the girl (Sarah) is a right or left voter or whether she does or doesn’t go to Hillsong.

but personally it seemed very unfair that the Queensland govt told her that her exemption only applied while her dad was alive and since he was dead, she couldn’t go to the funeral.

particularly given she came from the ACT where there hasn’t been a case for a long time.

 

[wendog33]

I have no idea whether the girl (Sarah) is a right or left voter or whether she does or doesn’t go to Hillsong.

but personally it seemed very unfair that the Queensland govt told her that her exemption only applied while her dad was alive and since he was dead, she couldn’t go to the funeral.

particularly given she came from the ACT where there hasn’t been a case for a long time.

OMG The exemption applied to her for 14 DAYS. The exemption, and conditions, to come in to Qld has nothing to do whether he was alive or not!

She had been given permission to see her cancer sick father twice before! This 3rd time he died before the 14 days.

She was actually given more latitude than anyone else by being allowed, with ppe and escorted to see her deceased Dad.
If he had not died before the 14 days mandatory quarantine she would have been able to attend. The Qld Govt did not put stipulations about visitation if he died or not.

IT IS ALL ABOUT 14 DAY QUARANTINE FOR EVERYBODY....Daughter, Actor, Millionaire, everyday member of the public. ...or exemptions of the sports admins who have submitted Covid Plans.

Why would the PM intervene in this one case?...there's hundreds of people whose relatives have died in Tasmania and SA yet the PM says nothing about those families. Why would the Qld Opposition bring it up in Parliament and the Premier have to address the issue. It's all political bullying of the Premier and Dr Jeanette Young.

And may I say ...why are you so concerned for Sarah and prepared to accept her plight no questions asked. Yet, you see an open letter from her older step sister admonishing the PM for destroying their privacy among other things, and do you accept her plight and grieving?

No you dont. You immediately want an investigation into her political leanings otherwise apparently her view, and feelings, don't count.

Disgusting attitude.

 

[Dawgfather]

And may I say ...why are you so concerned for Sarah and prepared to accept her plight no questions asked.

Because I'm a human being and anyone with a heart would empathise with someone in her position and do what they could to help her see her dead father before he was buried or cremated.

I think the more practical part of the discussion is why these rules even apply in the first place given the ACT has not had a COVID case since the 10th of July.

 

[Dawgfather]

Thoughts?

'Horrendous': Father of man at centre of violent arrest wants action taken

An arrest in which a man appears to have his head stomped by a Victoria Police officer, and which was caught on camera, has been referred to Professional Standards Command.

www.theage.com.au

This video looks horrific. The cops intentionally ran the guy over and then one of them stomps on this guys head.

I'll qualify this by saying it's not clear what happened to spark the incident apart from the reports the guy was acting eratic (which is not surprising given he has bi-polar and probably locked up in his house for months on end due to the Melbourne lock-down).

The police claim he damaged one of their cars and assaulted one of them but there is no footage of either of these incidents.

 

[wendog33]

Because I'm a human being and anyone with a heart would empathise with someone in her position and do what they could to help her see her dead father before he was buried or cremated.

I think the more practical part of the discussion is why these rules even apply in the first place given the ACT has not had a COVID case since the 10th of July.

Now please address my condemnation of your heartless preparedeness to dismiss the elder sister's distress that her fathers death has been turned into a circus by Morrison's actions.

Once again, Sarah did see her father before he was buried or cremated.

The family decided not to wait an additional 7 days and hold off the funeral at which time Sarah could have attended. That is the tragedy here.

And once again....

Qld Chief Health Officer has deemed ACT part of NSW for health purposes because of the porous border between them. People were circumventing the rules by driving from Covid hotspots in South West Sydney etc to Canberra to fly to Qld. That made a mockery of the border rules.

 

[Dawgfather]

Now please address my condemnation of your heartless preparedeness to dismiss the elder sister's distress that her fathers death has been turned into a circus by Morrison's actions.

Once again, Sarah did see her father before he was buried or cremated.

The family decided not to wait an additional 7 days and hold off the funeral at which time Sarah could have attended. That is the tragedy here.

And once again....

Qld Chief Health Officer has deemed ACT part of NSW for health purposes because of the porous border between them. People were circumventing the rules by driving from Covid hotspots in South West Sydney etc to Canberra to fly to Qld. That made a mockery of the border rules.

From everything I've read, Scott Morrison did not make public the fact that he had called the Queensland Premier. How could he be politicising' if it wasn't him who released the info about his call with the Qld Premier?

I'm happy to stand corrected if it's been established that scomo did intentionally publicise the phone call with the purpose of scoring points from it. If this is true, then I totally agree with you - he shouldn't have politicised it.

However, based on what I heard of his interview discussing the matter, his voice and emotion sounded genuine on face value.

btw I'll happily critcise scomo on other matters, I won't just defend him because he's the leader of a conservative party. He's allowed the states to get away with murder during COVID (IMO). I also think the reason he's done this is to avoid a political blood bath where every leader is attacking every other leader in the country. And IMO this is a weak reason for not calling a spade a spade and telling the states that if they want to shut borders, then he won't be giving them any funding.

As for the family deciding not to wait an additional 7 days, maybe this was for religious or cultural reasons? I don't really know - maybe it was for other logistical reasons? I don't really know.

Finally, if the ACT/NSW border is so 'porous' why has there not been a single case of COVID in the ACT for 2 months.

There has to be some proportionality between the risk of COVID and the restrictions put in place. Melbourne is an example of a place that has gone overboard with restrictions that aren't comparable to the risk the virus actually presents (it presents next to no risk for anyone in the first 'half' of their life and who don't have serious illnesses. Proportionate restrictions would see heavy lock downs for aged care providers, and far less draconian restrictions for the rest of the population.

 

[wendog33]

1. Qld regards the borders porous between ACT/NSW and it is the same as some shires in Victoria who haven't had any C19. Classed all together as one area that could be easily infected if there is no hard border.

2. Scomo's culpability
"It is the Chief Health Officer's decision to make.

"The Prime Minister at the time said to me that he had not gone public, but Mr Speaker, I knew that he would go public.

"To use the tragedy of this personal family is disgusting Mr Speaker."

An emotional letter drafted by Ms Caisip was tabled by the LNP Opposition in Queensland Parliament.

It had previously been sent to Ms Palaszczuk.

Earlier, Mr Morrison told radio station 4BC he had called the Premier to intervene in the case.

"I rang the Premier this morning and appealed to her to overrule the decision that would allow Sarah to go to the funeral today," he said.

"It's not about politicians. It's not about elections. The only thing that matters today is that Sarah can be with her 11-year-old sister and her mother while they mourn the passing of their father and husband at Mt Gravatt today.

"This is a heartbreaking case.

"This is the last opportunity to say farewell to her dad.

"Surely in the midst of all of this heartache in COVID and everything that everyone's going through, surely just this once, this can be done."
*****
We have a PM who says just this once let her attend. We cant have rules broken just this once for any one in this way.

"Just this once"..we get a huge cluster from this. Similar to the Vic hotel outbreak that re-started all their deaths.

If here's anyone left in Australia who doesn't think this is pure electioneering for political reasons seizing upon an opportunistic gain out of a family's suffering, I'd be very surprised.