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Discussion in 'Rugby League General' started by foREVerA7X, Feb 6, 2020.

  1. Motorhead

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    And they don't like the word "fair" because they see that as fair skin apparently.
     
  2. MatstaDogg

    MatstaDogg The Bearded Baker Premium Member

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    That, and they feel they are unfairly treated too.
     
  3. Motorhead

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    Which they probably are in some instances. But they seem to forget that they have access to a lot of things your average Joe Blow doesn't: eg years ago I saw a job advert in the paper that stated "Indigenous people are encouraged to apply" which pretty much means if one applies for that job they will be given it regardless of others' qualifications etc. I don't think an ad stating "Anglo-Saxon people are encouraged to apply" would go down too well at all.
     
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    I really don't get it, if you're born here and we are born here, we are ALL Australians. Fuck the tone of your skin, means fuck all.

    Why doesn't Australia copy the NZ anthem to keep the triggered snowflakes happy? Half English half aboriginal.
     
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  5. Natboy II

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    Thank you Jack. I’m of the opinion the national anthem is overused but can someone please remind me who is playing in this game?
    As I said earlier which was ignored, if it was Lebanon vs Samoa (in which most players were born here) would we sing the Australian national anthem? No chance
     
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    To get to the bottom of it, what exactly do the words mean?
     
  7. foREVerA7X

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    Isn't there a variety of Aboriginal languages so we couldn't please everyone? Let's just put it in the too hard basket lol.
     
  8. Motorhead

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    Nobody knows for sure except the fella that wrote the song, but realistically it's probably not advocating white supremecy IMO.
     
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    Sounds like 'advance Australia fairly' to me but the real problem is the way the blacks were treated in the past, like dirt and there is probably still some resentment.
     
  10. Motorhead

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    There no doubt is some resentment towards what happened in the past but where does it peter out? 100 years, 1000 years, never?
    They have every right to be pissed off with the past. It is just annoying that a lot of the people nowadays with massive chips on their shoulders and grudges to bear are the same ones that lap up welfare handouts and are more than happy to live their lives as layabouts whilst complaining to all and sundry that they are oppressed. That is what really shits me.
    Victims of the stolen generation have a legitimate gripe no doubt. People who are quick to blame oppression for the reason they are drunks and their 8 year old kids are roaming train stations at 2am have only got their own selves to blame. Personal responsibility needs to be owned at some point.
     
  11. CaptainJackson

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    I agree with most of what you say and disagree with a tiny bit of what you say.

    I completely agree with "we're all humans" and should do away with shit notions like race, patriot, etc. We're all human at the end of the day and that's the only way it should be.

    However, we just don't live in that world, the world's a different place than ideals. Majority of the world still latch on to notions like race, culture, patriotism, etc. And given that the world is the way it is, I can understand why indigenous people have a problem with it. It's not inclusive to them, because it makes no mention of their 60,000 year history of this land and in a way completely negates it by saying "young and free".

    But out of the "rants" I've read on this topic, I'd have to say your rant has the most stable grounding compared to the other shit rants
     
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    I know we don't live in that world and I guess that's part of my point. That's how it was, every Country seems to have been founded that way. Had it been Chinese or Indonesian then they would still be hunted and being murdered to this day. I've said previously that I'm open to the Anthem and the flag being changed however I suspect that even after that it would be something else.

    I just don't understand who's suppose to be sorry? I know the British Government should be and well the Australian Government did that. I certainly think what happened is shit, cruel and every other word that try's to describe the events but how do we decide who should be sorry? Who has to pay for it? Do we do DNA tests for direct decedents of the English responsible or does everyone who doesn't identify as Aboriginal be held guilty..does everyone coming to this Country apologise in advance? Should it be in the Australian Citizenship ode? What's the end game, on the Aboriginal wish list how do we move forward on this? Everyone except them move away...........that ain't happening!

    I'm sorry for what happened but I'm not personally sorry because I haven't done anything wrong and I don't owe them or anyone else anything. I judge on your actions.
     
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  13. CaptainJackson

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    Some people need closure because their close relatives have told them stories of what they went through (by close I mean grandparents, as in a generation they could speak to and were in direct contact with and not generations who they were never in contact with)

    So given that, our indigenous population only recently endured that 1950/60s and still do to this day.

    It certainly doesn't help that part of the population are still immensely racist to them and this ibcludes our politicians (this current government). Many of the current liberal ministers walked out of parliament when Kevin Rudd was saying sorry.

    As it stands our indigenous population were recently affected by it (and theres still living people who endured it) and to date we haven't really made great strides in negating racism against them, its still very prevalent. So i can understand why they dont feel part of Australia and are protesting in this fashion or against Australia day.
     
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    At the same time there are also some aboriginals, who are racist and try their hardest not to try fit in with the rest of Australia's society and choose to segregate themselves. I just don't ever see any form of things changing in the near future between both parties to be honest.
     
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    There's a difference between individual racism and systematic racism.

    Systematic racism relies on power constructs to enact racism on the targeted minority
     
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    The ABC have a documentary on 23/2/20 on Adam Goodes called The Australian Dream (and iview). Could be insightful.
     
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    not many of the first white fellas wanted to be here either from what I learned at school, many were ripped away from their families for petty crimes and shipped half way around the world, even more recently English, Irish children were shipped over here....if there was to be a real apology it should come from England, the rest of us are stuck here together and need to learn to live together

    now before I get banned again for being racist..... I am part aboriginal blood myself (Wiradjuri), I just like to look at both sides of an argument and make up my own mind, I have had family members force feeding me the hate the white man stuff all my life..... yeah a lot isn't great but a lot is blown out of proportion or made up and im pretty happy with my life as it is without going out and looking for a fight at every turn, shit some of my family don't talk to me because I work and I refuse to let my wife use the aboriginal card to get special treatment for our kids..
     
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