News Jackson Topine takes Bulldogs to court

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I worked in marketing for about 10 years, with a variety of large and small companys, and also some individuals. Seen plenty of stuff go through that never should have, even some stuff resulting in lawsuits. Happens all the time.
Yes but in this instance the manager has a player on his books that is going through legal action with his club arguing his career is ruined and can not play ever again. And they had no foresight to remove him from the marketing mail? This is another level of incompetence.
 

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Yes but in this instance the manager has a player on his books that is going through legal action with his club arguing his career is ruined and can not play ever again. And they had no foresight to remove him from the marketing mail? This is another level of incompetence.
According to the article the agent didn't know about the legal action until after the emails went out.
 

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Tyran Smith said it was an autogenerated email from his player contract system.

What sort of service does this guy provide?

Takes 5%, doesn't talk to his clients and all he does is send out system generated emails without knowing his clients situation?

Sounds like Topine should be suing Smith for ripping him off.
Yes the system pay have auto generated the email, but the email would still have required human intervention to send it. So he may have extracted a list of players from this system, but he still had to have attached it to an email, (should have proof read it but didn't) and then MANUALLY keyed in all club email addressed AND MANUALLY pressed send.

He's a liar.
 

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I get the line that it was just an automated kind of email but it doesn't make sense to me. My organization sends promotional stuff, sales pitches but it is always checked for accuracy before mass dispersion. His manager is either very unprofessional or he is covering his tracks after the legal team decided to go nuclear. I would say the latter.
Manager sounds hopeless tbh.
 

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According to the article the agent didn't know about the legal action until after the emails went out.
That is not believable. He is his manager and presumably would be heavily involved. Him saying he didn't know seems like covering tracks.
 

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According to the article the agent didn't know about the legal action until after the emails went out.
This just makes him look far more incompetent as a manager. As if you wouldn’t be made aware of this? I mean it can be the fault of player and/or his lawyers, but in that case, there’s clearly an issue between the player and manager.
 

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What Truly Occurs at NRL Training Sessions: Nudie Runs, Sleep Deprivation and Chilli Eating

Clubs across the National Rugby League (NRL) continue to grapple with the challenge of instilling discipline among team members. Traditional financial penalties remain common, yet a range of other punitive measures have emerged; methods varying from club to club, aimed at making an indelible impact beyond merely denting the wallet.



News this week of a $4 million claim launched by lawyers representing Jackson Topine, a former player with the Canterbury Bulldogs, has ignited fresh discussion about the ways in which clubs enforce discipline. Allegedly, Topine had been made to wrestle between 30-35 teammates as a disciplinary measure following his late arrival for training; a sanction, however, that Canterbury and head trainer Travis Touma have not yet responded to in defence.
The nature of this claim has raised pertinent inquiries about the ways clubs within the NRL discipline players for falling short of team expectations. This method of personal responsibility, especially for individual players letting down team morale, has been a long-standing fixture within the professional rugby league‘s culture.

Several current and former players have – under the cloak of anonymity – admitted that such disciplinary measures are widespread throughout the league, albeit in different forms. For instance, one club may require a latecomer to run naked through a gauntlet of his teammates, receiving a series of slaps and spanks. Conversely, another latecomer may be made to clean the gear stewards’ van or eat hot chilli peppers.

Non-physical punishments have also proven popular, with players being made to shave heads, dye hair or wear a suit to training every day. A particular club even insists offending players prepare a PowerPoint presentation on a random topic and present it to teammates.

Nevertheless, punishments are not solely the responsibility of the coach. In one scenario, a former club chief executive enforced attendance for morning training sessions at 6am for three young players after catching wind that they had been escorted home intoxicated from their leagues club.

A player claimed to have often observed teammates wrestling the entire ensemble, as Topine was reportedly required to do at the Bulldogs. Anonumous insiders at the Bulldogs assert that it was the first time such a punishment was enforced on a teammate at their club.

However, they noted the same disciplinary methods were issued to another latecoming player a week after Topine’s alleged sanction. Braidon Burns, the player in question – who now plays for South Sydney – told Bulldogs personnel at the time that he had no issue wrestling the rest of the team due to tardiness and didn’t anticipate any disparity between his treatment and Topine’s actions.

While Burns has declined to comment as yet, another previous Canterbury player commented that wrestling a dozen or so teammates as a disciplinary act is fairly common and goes by the name of “shark bait” amongst rugby league fraternity. “Shark bait” refers to an encircled player wrestling colleagues until one of them submits.

In fact, he cited that the drill was prevalent in many clubs and is usually considered mild compared to what cliques were subjected to in pre-season training sessions, which often resembled military-style camps, replete with extreme exercises and limited sleep over a three-day period.

Many remembered being awakened at ungodly hours to carry out punishing physical chores, fuelled on a stringent diet. They would be subjected to stressful scenarios – ranging from struggling against ocean waves blindfolded before finding their own way back on land to simple yet maddening tasks such as segregating white rice grains from brown ones under the sensory decimation of loud, heavy metal music.
Each, even the blindfolded cliff walk with blackout goggles or holding heavy jerry cans for five-kilometre walks often enough to chaff palms, are choreographed to induce duress, testing the physical and mental resolve of players.

Anthony Seibold, present coach for Manly, recognised the difficulty of the army camp his team had experienced recently. “They were sleep-deprived, they were gassed [exhausted], it was relentless,” was how he described it in January. He asserted that the purpose was to push their physical and mental limits til exhaustion because “you don’t know how you’re going to respond until you try it.”

The reasoning behind such intense training and stern discipline was to foster a team spirit and observe individual responses during high-pressure situations. Players are pushed to near breaking points, tested for resilience and ability to perform under extremes. They also advocate the bonding element of collective struggles.

Zane Tetevano, a forward for the Penrith Panthers, mentioned how the bonding experience at a pre-season army camp was crucial in propelling the Panthers toward a Grand Final, however losing 26-20 to the Melbourne Storm. The following year, Penrith decided to embark on a tougher path; they conducted a “fight camp” on Hawkesbury River, where players endured rigorous physical training over three days, including sparring sessions with boxers and martial artists.

This physical and mental balance, on and off the field was deemed a “fine line” by Roosters coach, Trent Robinson. He noted the importance of striking a balance between pushing players to their best while caring for their well-being.
 

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Unforseeable excuses, foreseeable excuses or legitimate excuses or not.

Still looks like inept representation by a player manager.
 

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And if the Dogs provide no evidence to counter this and with how....loose.... WHS laws are these days - you think thats hard to do?

Like what Judge is going to say that 'standard' NRL practice is acceptable these days?

"Legal professionals often rely on establishing a prima facie case to move proceedings in their favour. To define prima facie in strategy, it’s about presenting enough compelling evidence early in the process to create a strong initial position. This approach can influence the direction of a case, shaping the responses and defences from the opposing side during an initial examination."

This is prima facie.

Step 1 is for Topines team to meet this criteria. If they don't then the club will have no case to answer and will not even need to mount a defence.

Never said it would be hard to meet this criteria but the club doesn't need to defend itself until the judge is satisfied there is enough evidence to defend. Just saying it happened is not enough for a case to proceed.
 
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Yes the system pay have auto generated the email, but the email would still have required human intervention to send it. So he may have extracted a list of players from this system, but he still had to have attached it to an email, (should have proof read it but didn't) and then MANUALLY keyed in all club email addressed AND MANUALLY pressed send.

He's a liar.
Completely agree.

And if he did this blindly he is also a sh!t manager
 

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Or at least contact training
Who knows where this will end up if it goes to Court or what ramifications will result. Could go down any rabbit warren any creative lawyer or aggreived player can come up with.
 

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"Legal professionals often rely on establishing a prima facie case to move proceedings in their favour. To define prima facie in strategy, it’s about presenting enough compelling evidence early in the process to create a strong initial position. This approach can influence the direction of a case, shaping the responses and defences from the opposing side during an initial examination."

This is prima facie.

Step 1 is for Topines team to meet this criteria. If they don't then the club will have no case to answer and will not even need to mount a defence.

Never said it would be hard to meet this criteria but the club doesn't need to defend itself until the judge is satisfied there is enough evidence to defend. Just saying it happened is not enough for a case to proceed.
Well - not really. Using my awesome google lawyer skills, once the statement of claim is lodged, Dogs have 28 days to submit a defence. If they chose not to, then the judge can base his decision on what was presented by the plaintiff. Now whether that decision requires evidence to be provided, well based on whats floating around, think its a big ask to say that what footy clubs do aligns with common whs expectations and I would imagine the Dogs have to defend it. Statement of claim has to provide some statements as to why, what and where. Cannot see a mechanism where the judge can just say nah prior to the Dogs submitting a defence.

Mates a SAS captain. They sign off on the fact they can be basically raped as part of training and discipline. Doubt there is a similar clause in a NRL contract otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But thats my google lawyering - fck knows what goes on in the bizarre world of courts.
 

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Who knows where this will end up if it goes to Court or what ramifications will result. Could go down any rabbit warren any creative lawyer or aggreived player can come up with.
that’s why I am thinking that nrl will step in and help with their own lawyers. What made me laugh was the RLPA, suggesting where was the nrl this whole time?? Mate where was the RLPA the whole time this happened???
 

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that’s why I am thinking that nrl will step in and help with their own lawyers. What made me laugh was the RLPA, suggesting where was the nrl this whole time?? Mate where was the RLPA the whole time this happened???
Exactly right. The RLPA proving they are non-entities yet again at the table.

Can include Jackson's player manager as well. Apparently played little to no part in this "harrowing" turn of events of his client.

It's hard to figure out how it could have gotten to this state of affairs.
 

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Just had a quick listen to SEN, EVERYONE is on our side, feels weird.

I know it's only to protect themselves from future pussy shit like this but it's still weird everyone defending us lol
 
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