Coronavirus.

[Orion]

Any government minister who tells you that you can only enjoy inherent freedoms if you download the app should be sacked or sack themselves.

tbh If there is a second wave (and it is worse than the first wave by a significant margin) then I would probably download the app. But until then I see little point in downloading it:

1. The only people who have died in Australia are elderly people who in many cases also had other pre-existing conditions. There has been zero risk (within Australia) to anyone other than elderly and people with serious existing conditions. I fully support strict rules to ensure these people are kept safe and virus free.
2. I dont think it's a good precedent to 'normalise' the use of tracking technology by government or private firms. Before anyone asks, I don't use facebook, instagram, twitter etc. Don't use a google home. I do have a google account, but only so I can use youtube.
3. I don't think our response to the virus was largely any different to many other countries who have suffered far more deaths than us. Therefore, I don't think this app will have the same benefit that it will in many other countries. I think the reason we have done so well is more the luck of:

- being an island continent
- Large distances between our population centres making community spread more difficult
- Warmer and more humid weather (for most of the country)
- lower population density in most parts of the country compared to many other major cities/countries around the world

4. Following on from point 1. The majority of deaths relate to only two issues. Ruby Princess cruise ship and aged care centres. In my estimation that means 99.9% of the Australian population have not been at risk.

I don't know why the government just keep the data within Australia. Its evasion of privacy selling the data to Amazon. Another a couple of issues I have off the app is the fact that the tracing function isn't even complete and it drains phone batteries. Also what do the government expect people to do once 'alerted'? Pack and run for it? I believe in the eradication of the virus but bribing people into downloading it so that they can enjoy there freedoms? It doesn't sit right with me (coming from an I.T guy).

 

[Hacky McAxe]

I don't know why the government just keep the data within Australia. Its evasion of privacy selling the data to Amazon. Another a couple of issues I have off the app is the fact that the tracing function isn't even complete and it drains phone batteries. Also what do the government expect people to do once 'alerted'? Pack and run for it? I believe in the eradication of the virus but bribing people into downloading it so that they can enjoy there freedoms? It doesn't sit right with me (coming from an I.T guy).

Cost is the main factor. It's cheaper to outsource cloud data storage to either AWS or Azure. Plus, both have much higher security protocols than our local data centres.

Side note though, you can disable location services and still use the app. The location services aren't really for tracking anyway as the app doesn't track your location. But it does track who you came in contact with which could potentially cause other legal issues.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Any government minister who tells you that you can only enjoy inherent freedoms if you download the app should be sacked or sack themselves.

tbh If there is a second wave (and it is worse than the first wave by a significant margin) then I would probably download the app. But until then I see little point in downloading it:

1. The only people who have died in Australia are elderly people who in many cases also had other pre-existing conditions. There has been zero risk (within Australia) to anyone other than elderly and people with serious existing conditions. I fully support strict rules to ensure these people are kept safe and virus free.
2. I dont think it's a good precedent to 'normalise' the use of tracking technology by government or private firms. Before anyone asks, I don't use facebook, instagram, twitter etc. Don't use a google home. I do have a google account, but only so I can use youtube.
3. I don't think our response to the virus was largely any different to many other countries who have suffered far more deaths than us. Therefore, I don't think this app will have the same benefit that it will in many other countries. I think the reason we have done so well is more the luck of:

- being an island continent
- Large distances between our population centres making community spread more difficult
- Warmer and more humid weather (for most of the country)
- lower population density in most parts of the country compared to many other major cities/countries around the world

4. Following on from point 1. The majority of deaths relate to only two issues. Ruby Princess cruise ship and aged care centres. In my estimation that means 99.9% of the Australian population have not been at risk.

3 people who died were under 60 (1 in the 40-49 group, 2 in the 50-59 group). 11 people who died were in the 60-69 age group.

The youngest death in Australia was a 42 year old man. Not sure if he had any pre-existing conditions.

 

[Hacky McAxe]

Fucking hilarious
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/r...s/news-story/7ae4dfe61da442210cf307eaf0bae569

I'm pretty sure I have some kind of weird syndrome that doesn't have a name yet. Every time I see someone with lips like that, I get physically ill. Full on feel like I'm going to throw up.

 

[Mr 95%]

That's Mr Ed in drag.

Sheesh..I bet she still talks when she has nothing to say!!

 

[south of heaven]

I'm pretty sure I have some kind of weird syndrome that doesn't have a name yet. Every time I see someone with lips like that, I get physically ill. Full on feel like I'm going to throw up.

 

[Riggs80]

Any government minister who tells you that you can only enjoy inherent freedoms if you download the app should be sacked or sack themselves.

tbh If there is a second wave (and it is worse than the first wave by a significant margin) then I would probably download the app. But until then I see little point in downloading it:

1. The only people who have died in Australia are elderly people who in many cases also had other pre-existing conditions. There has been zero risk (within Australia) to anyone other than elderly and people with serious existing conditions. I fully support strict rules to ensure these people are kept safe and virus free.
2. I dont think it's a good precedent to 'normalise' the use of tracking technology by government or private firms. Before anyone asks, I don't use facebook, instagram, twitter etc. Don't use a google home. I do have a google account, but only so I can use youtube.
3. I don't think our response to the virus was largely any different to many other countries who have suffered far more deaths than us. Therefore, I don't think this app will have the same benefit that it will in many other countries. I think the reason we have done so well is more the luck of:

- being an island continent
- Large distances between our population centres making community spread more difficult
- Warmer and more humid weather (for most of the country)
- lower population density in most parts of the country compared to many other major cities/countries around the world

4. Following on from point 1. The majority of deaths relate to only two issues. Ruby Princess cruise ship and aged care centres. In my estimation that means 99.9% of the Australian population have not been at risk.

in theory makes sense the app , but pretty much agree with you all .my concerns and why I won’t download
- essentially they have been blackmailing for people to get app . No app no lifting of restrictions . This is why people had concerns in the first place ! blackmailing us to get the rights we had taken away!
- strathfield council trying to force employees to download app . Acknowledge they are work phones and no diff to other work apps people have to download but it again invasion of privacy
- talk from some people or businesses that people need to have app before going on premises . This is full on big no no and again why people don’t want it , we a democracy with freedom or communism
- the uptake Of app my seem harmless to some now , but this is not an app that will be in existence for a month or two , maybe years before they get a vaccine. In that time I can assure you there will be updates to app which may have deeper tracking features , laws can easily be changed for wider bodies to access the data , change in government and have the Dan Andrews type from Melbourne who seems to relish his new powers and make it mandatory or more draconian
- the compliance from society downloading app , encourages more grab at our civil rights

call me nutty but this is intrusion is just the start , just look how easy it has been to get the majority of us to comply with lockdowns ( which I agree was necessary)

 

[Orion]

in theory makes sense the app , but pretty much agree with you all .my concerns and why I won’t download
- essentially they have been blackmailing for people to get app . No app no lifting of restrictions . This is why people had concerns in the first place ! blackmailing us to get the rights we had taken away!
- strathfield council trying to force employees to download app . Acknowledge they are work phones and no diff to other work apps people have to download but it again invasion of privacy
- talk from some people or businesses that people need to have app before going on premises . This is full on big no no and again why people don’t want it , we a democracy with freedom or communism
- the uptake Of app my seem harmless to some now , but this is not an app that will be in existence for a month or two , maybe years before they get a vaccine. In that time I can assure you there will be updates to app which may have deeper tracking features , laws can easily be changed for wider bodies to access the data , change in government and have the Dan Andrews type from Melbourne who seems to relish his new powers and make it mandatory or more draconian
- the compliance from society downloading app , encourages more grab at our civil rights

call me nutty but this is intrusion is just the start , just look how easy it has been to get the majority of us to comply with lockdowns ( which I agree was necessary)

What you mentioned is why I am not a big fan of this app in the first place. Its only a matter of time before people start getting annoyed with these lockdowns and having this app shoved down our throats.

 

[Orion]

Cost is the main factor. It's cheaper to outsource cloud data storage to either AWS or Azure. Plus, both have much higher security protocols than our local data centres.

Side note though, you can disable location services and still use the app. The location services aren't really for tracking anyway as the app doesn't track your location. But it does track who you came in contact with which could potentially cause other legal issues.

I know that I can shut off location and stuff like that. I am annoyed that Prime Minister Megatron is just bribing people into downloading this app to get our freedom back.

 

[south of heaven]

I can understand why people don't want the app ,it don't bother me .what shits me is people like the dumb **** I work with post 50 times a day on various social media platforms. No privacy settings and complains his " privacy " will be violated I told him the government Probally knows you're a fuckwit and it may come a shock to you but your not that special that they will keep an eye on you.

 

[Dawgfather]

3 people who died were under 60 (1 in the 40-49 group, 2 in the 50-59 group). 11 people who died were in the 60-69 age group.

The youngest death in Australia was a 42 year old man. Not sure if he had any pre-existing conditions.

Yep I know. I generally try to qualify my statements by saying 'almost all' or 'most' deaths are above a certain age.

But the general point still stands. It would appear (based on current data in Australia) that by and large the only people at risk appear to be the elderly or those with existing conditions. So we should have a more targeted approach to restrictions towards these people rather than just blindly locking everyone down.

 

[Dawgfather]

I can understand why people don't want the app ,it don't bother me .what shits me is people like the dumb c*** I work with post 50 times a day on various social media platforms. No privacy settings and complains his " privacy " will be violated I told him the government Probally knows you're a fuckwit and it may come a shock to you but your not that special that they will keep an eye on you.

lol!

It's something that a lot of people haven't bothered to find out about or just don't realise how much data and technology is out there that is tracking them of gathering data on them.

The number of times my wife and I have been talking about a certain topic, only to find those ads start popping up on a browsers is insane.

Big data is a huge money maker for all sorts of business models, as well as for political parties who want to know how to target their messaging.

 

[Cook]

I don’t really understand why people care about possibility of being tracked. I couldn’t care less who knows where and when I’ve been somewhere. I’m not committing a crime so have nothing to hide. I’m sure my misses asks more questions than an app.

 

[GoTheDoggies]

It's going to be interesting to see how the government lifts the lock down resulting in a 2nd wave. Then they will have to act like the lock down wasn't a waste of time. They will eventually claim herd immunity was the long term plan.

 

[south of heaven]

lol!

It's something that a lot of people haven't bothered to find out about or just don't realise how much data and technology is out there that is tracking them of gathering data on them.

The number of times my wife and I have been talking about a certain topic, only to find those ads start popping up on a browsers is insane.

Big data is a huge money maker for all sorts of business models, as well as for political parties who want to know how to target their messaging.

They say census information isn't available for 99 years yet companies pay big dollars to get that.
I don't really care what they see of me all they will get is the kennel ,porn ,and flight simulators so I wouldn't be surprised if I get spammed for " dog friendly flights to Thailand "

 

[Cook]

It's going to be interesting to see how the government lifts the lock down resulting in a 2nd wave. Then they will have to act like the lock down wasn't a waste of time. They will eventually claim herd immunity was the long term plan.

We’re not heading for heard immunity. No country is. We have 7000 cases. Herd immunity is around 80%. So we still have 19,993,000 people to go.

 

[Dawgfather]

I don’t really understand why people care about possibility of being tracked. I couldn’t care less who knows where and when I’ve been somewhere. I’m not committing a crime so have nothing to hide. I’m sure my misses asks more questions than an app.

my life is boring working from home every day. I don't go anywhere except home and the local cafe. I'm not worried about anyone finding out where I've been. For me it's the principle.

 

[BELMORE]

Cost is the main factor. It's cheaper to outsource cloud data storage to either AWS or Azure. Plus, both have much higher security protocols than our local data centres.

Side note though, you can disable location services and still use the app. The location services aren't really for tracking anyway as the app doesn't track your location. But it does track who you came in contact with which could potentially cause other legal issues.

Nah bro the government are selling our data to amazon who now own our data and will hammer us with ads and force us to buy from them.......

 

[SPEARTAKVIDREFS]

Fuck the app. Ive got an S3 thats rarely charged thrown in the bottom of my work bag, I hate mobiles.
On a side note, if you see someone talking on their phone whilst driving you should be legally obliged to side swipe them.

 

[Cook]

my life is boring working from home every day. I don't go anywhere except home and the local cafe. I'm not worried about anyone finding out where I've been. For me it's the principle.

Yeah each to there own. I don’t understand that, but it’s everyone’s right to do as they please. I more feel it may help the country so it’s worthwhile. Your costing me drinking a schooner, lol!!!