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I never grouped them into the same category, I just said it's a behaviourism I am not fond of like people who are criminals or junkies it doesn't mean they are the same... There's plenty of behaviourisms I am not fond of so I don't associate or deal with said people unless I really have to, I don't have like all people if their behavior isn't something I like myself or do I have "love everyone" no matter what?
So here's the conflicting thing and probably the biggest issue with this topic. You're completely entitled to have your beliefs that homosexuality is a sin (according to your beliefs) but when you say that publicly and lump homosexuality with a bunch of other criminal/immoral activities it becomes hate speech. The main problem being that it would be pointing a finger at a group of people and associating a negative connotation based on nothing more than a belief, not facts. As much as you may think the bible is 100% proof from God, it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it actually is. Hence a belief system and a belief system that is not held by all and a belief system that has negative connotations on a group of people.I don’t like gay people as I don’t like a lot of traits people have such being stupid, criminals, junkies or behavior that I don’t agree with yet I don’t go out of my way to attack or publicly ridicule them, I just let them be and don’t deal with them and carry on with what I need to.
There's a difference between saying you're not gay and you wouldn't associate with gay people because they're gay. The exact same would apply if I was to say I don't believe in religion or say I won't associate with religious people because they're religious. Both instances would get carved up in a place of employment (as an example), both instances would result in discrimination cases.
I personally object to the way Kyle said Mary cheated behind a goat shack, I thought that was completely uncalled for. However the statement that she had an extra-marital affair or even if Jesus was conceived through Joseph, are not items that he could be sacked for (If he said it in the right manner, as critical analysis rather than a dumb insulting fuck). Where he may recieve some reprimanding from his employer is when he said people that believe in the immaculate birth are dumb. But that's a question for his employer.I don't go out of my way to hurt or put people down as did Kyle or Folau to both sides, I might say some nasty things or mean things about certain groups but thats between my circle not the public. If you do see me needing to put down or hurt it will be due to something of worth not because a gay person got hurt or a religious person got hurt.
My main argument is still that if Folau got sacked for breaching his contract with some restrictions on his ability to express himself, why has Kyle who broke an apparent media law that does impose restrictions on his ability to express himself on the radio yet still have his job? If he said something racial or against another group of people based on their beliefs or behaviourisms the same point would still stand, its feel that when you talk about certain groups things come down hard on you which should be applied to all groups you may choose to talk about negatively
Again this is a question of belief and not established fact.
Meanwhile folau lumped homosexuals with a whole bunch of negatively associated human traits and tarred homosexuals with a completely immoral, unethical brush simply for being homisexual (and its a far cry from being called dumb as kyle said, theres a shit load more negative stereotypes about homosexual - see my post of 10 points of what homosexuals were accused of in the ssm thread in this forum). While all these people are here worrying about folaus "freedom of speech", does anyone care to wonder how his gay teammates might feel about folaus comments? Does anyone care to wonder that his gay team mates (who are already subjected to marginalization and abuse) might find that an unsafe work environment had folau stayed on?
This is absolute rubbish. Sky news after dark is a hotbed of racism, sexism, and homophobia. Guess what QANTAS business and first class lounges show on the tv? That's right sky news.Both sides are guilty of taking agendas or making it personal, go try to make fun of the Qantas CEO about being gay or ridicule gay people to his face and watch him ban you for life from using Qantas as it seems one side is getting away with more than the other at this current time when it comes to negative comments towards the other.
If Joyce is this massive "PC" warrior why the Fuck is QANTAS still allowing sky news to be shown in their lounges and aeroplanes.