News Is it time for the Bulldogs to start rebuilding already? (Zero tackle)

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I know we have not yet started season 2022, but as we all know a club’s rebuild takes longer than one season and I can see trouble ahead at the Dogs next year.

Part of that starts with the over-the-top, knee-jerk reaction to getting young Kyle Flanagan on board. I am not one to knock a young man trying to make his way into NRL first grade, but the reported $450,000 per year and the length of the contract is going to come back and bite us you know where.

A good sign this season is that the Dogs will field a reserve grade side so anyone called into the side will be match fit.

So, let’s have a look as to who we have on the books for 2023.

Josh Addo-Carr, Alomoti, Corey Allen, Jake Averillo, Bailey Biondi-Odo, Braidon Burns, Matt Burton, Cook, Kyle Flanagan, Josh Jackson, Katao, Viliame Kikau, Reed Mahoney, Brent Naden, Jayden Okunbor, Tevita Pangai Jr., Chris Patolo, Aaron Schoupp, Seumanfagai, Luke Thompson, Corey Waddell.

Twelve spots left for 2023 and this is where it is going to get difficult.
Let’s now look at those who are there for this year and no ongoing contract.

Matt Doorey, Matt Dufty, Reece Hoffman, Raymond Faitala-Mariner, Jack Hetherington, Katoa, Max King, Jeremy Marshall-King, Joe Stimson, Jackson Topine, Paul Vaughan, Brandon Wakeham.

Two experienced players on the list with a one-year contract are Dufty and Vaughan and should they both have a good season they will be looking for another contract, and a pay rise.

Two young guns with limited experience are Doorey and Topine and even with limited time last year showed their value with the future in mind. As a club wanting to build a good pathways system, they cannot allow exciting youngster to go and simply attempt to buy a comp.

Max King showed what he has to offer in the opening trial and young Hoffman comes with big wraps.

The problem for next year will be dollars.

If we have to go to the market for a good half, who and how much?

if Dufty is not re-signed we will need a class fullback.

What about Addo-Carr?
Phil Gould is going to need his accountant’s hat on as well as all the others he wears, as I am sure the NRL will be keeping a very close eye on their salary cap.

Next year will be all about key positions that need to be filled and how much is left in the kitty to fill them.

As stated at the top that reported $450,000 a year for Flanagan may well come back to haunt. It could be that extra $100,000 or $200,000 that stops the Dogs from filling a major spot.

Good luck to all the teams this year – except against the Dogs.
 

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It's way too early to talk about who should be re-signed or who we should sign. Let's see how the new players gel first. With so many new pieces, they need at least a month together before we can judge them properly.

Every season a bunch of contracted players not expected to be available will suddenly be on the market.. The cap space we got from Cotric will be put to good use when that happens.
 

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I don't understand the media obsession with our cap, we have and will continue to shed the bad contracts that come with being a bottom club, always amusing the silence around the usual suspects that are fixtures at the top of the table.
 

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Just about every team carries overpaid players and some dead wood in their top 30. Perhaps not as bad as we have in the past few years but we're back on par with most clubs now.
 

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I know we have not yet started season 2022, but as we all know a club’s rebuild takes longer than one season and I can see trouble ahead at the Dogs next year.

Part of that starts with the over-the-top, knee-jerk reaction to getting young Kyle Flanagan on board. I am not one to knock a young man trying to make his way into NRL first grade, but the reported $450,000 per year and the length of the contract is going to come back and bite us you know where.

A good sign this season is that the Dogs will field a reserve grade side so anyone called into the side will be match fit.

So, let’s have a look as to who we have on the books for 2023.

Josh Addo-Carr, Alomoti, Corey Allen, Jake Averillo, Bailey Biondi-Odo, Braidon Burns, Matt Burton, Cook, Kyle Flanagan, Josh Jackson, Katao, Viliame Kikau, Reed Mahoney, Brent Naden, Jayden Okunbor, Tevita Pangai Jr., Chris Patolo, Aaron Schoupp, Seumanfagai, Luke Thompson, Corey Waddell.

Twelve spots left for 2023 and this is where it is going to get difficult.
Let’s now look at those who are there for this year and no ongoing contract.

Matt Doorey, Matt Dufty, Reece Hoffman, Raymond Faitala-Mariner, Jack Hetherington, Katoa, Max King, Jeremy Marshall-King, Joe Stimson, Jackson Topine, Paul Vaughan, Brandon Wakeham.

Two experienced players on the list with a one-year contract are Dufty and Vaughan and should they both have a good season they will be looking for another contract, and a pay rise.

Two young guns with limited experience are Doorey and Topine and even with limited time last year showed their value with the future in mind. As a club wanting to build a good pathways system, they cannot allow exciting youngster to go and simply attempt to buy a comp.

Max King showed what he has to offer in the opening trial and young Hoffman comes with big wraps.

The problem for next year will be dollars.

If we have to go to the market for a good half, who and how much?

if Dufty is not re-signed we will need a class fullback.

What about Addo-Carr?
Phil Gould is going to need his accountant’s hat on as well as all the others he wears, as I am sure the NRL will be keeping a very close eye on their salary cap.

Next year will be all about key positions that need to be filled and how much is left in the kitty to fill them.

As stated at the top that reported $450,000 a year for Flanagan may well come back to haunt. It could be that extra $100,000 or $200,000 that stops the Dogs from filling a major spot.

Good luck to all the teams this year – except against the Dogs.
We will worry about that in the next off-season. 1 step at a time. Let's do 2022 first. Right now I dont care about 2023 aside from kikau and mahoney coming.
 

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We are only in the first year of a rebuild that will take a few years.
 

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We are only in the first year of a rebuild that will take a few years.
100% and I am sure Gus and Co are all over it and it will change as we go along depending on how players perform and consistancy over the first half of the season.
 

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***** go audit the Roosters not the teams finishing bottom 4 every season
There is no problem with the Rorters and the salary cap - never has been and never will be.

Years ago I wrote to the NRL when Rorters were already a stacked team and they went out and signed a bunch of other high profile c*nts. No worries.

A complete knob head called Paul Brady (who I think may still be hanging around) wrote back to me all indignant and pis*ed off and said I had better be careful what I say.

He told me what I didn't understand is that players will play for the Rorters for much less than they will play for other clubs. So Rorters having a team stacked with internationals was all legitimate and good.

What knob head said is all BS, a player might take a slight pay cut to play for a top club but he was talking about accepting massive pay cuts to play at Rorters.

Bullsh*t.

F*ckn Ian Schubert was the salary cap auditor for years. Never found any issues at Rorters.

Oh and no problems that he was an ex Rorters player. No conflict of interest or anything.

The NRL and the salary cap are both a massive joke.
 

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Add Mahoney and Kikau and we're in the top 8 or very close to it at worst. We do need to see players like Flanagan, Waddell and Allan moved on but it's nothing like a rebuild. I guess it depends what people mean when they say rebuild. If it's to win a comp that's a different story. With Gus here and some of the things I've seen from Warburton and Khoury I'm not really worried.
 

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If u get your information off zero tackle
i suggest u go get gelded
Almost all of ZT's content is stolen/reposted from other media outlets.
 

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I know we have not yet started season 2022, but as we all know a club’s rebuild takes longer than one season and I can see trouble ahead at the Dogs next year.

Part of that starts with the over-the-top, knee-jerk reaction to getting young Kyle Flanagan on board. I am not one to knock a young man trying to make his way into NRL first grade, but the reported $450,000 per year and the length of the contract is going to come back and bite us you know where.

A good sign this season is that the Dogs will field a reserve grade side so anyone called into the side will be match fit.

So, let’s have a look as to who we have on the books for 2023.

Josh Addo-Carr, Alomoti, Corey Allen, Jake Averillo, Bailey Biondi-Odo, Braidon Burns, Matt Burton, Cook, Kyle Flanagan, Josh Jackson, Katao, Viliame Kikau, Reed Mahoney, Brent Naden, Jayden Okunbor, Tevita Pangai Jr., Chris Patolo, Aaron Schoupp, Seumanfagai, Luke Thompson, Corey Waddell.

Twelve spots left for 2023 and this is where it is going to get difficult.
Let’s now look at those who are there for this year and no ongoing contract.

Matt Doorey, Matt Dufty, Reece Hoffman, Raymond Faitala-Mariner, Jack Hetherington, Katoa, Max King, Jeremy Marshall-King, Joe Stimson, Jackson Topine, Paul Vaughan, Brandon Wakeham.

Two experienced players on the list with a one-year contract are Dufty and Vaughan and should they both have a good season they will be looking for another contract, and a pay rise.

Two young guns with limited experience are Doorey and Topine and even with limited time last year showed their value with the future in mind. As a club wanting to build a good pathways system, they cannot allow exciting youngster to go and simply attempt to buy a comp.

Max King showed what he has to offer in the opening trial and young Hoffman comes with big wraps.

The problem for next year will be dollars.

If we have to go to the market for a good half, who and how much?

if Dufty is not re-signed we will need a class fullback.

What about Addo-Carr?
Phil Gould is going to need his accountant’s hat on as well as all the others he wears, as I am sure the NRL will be keeping a very close eye on their salary cap.

Next year will be all about key positions that need to be filled and how much is left in the kitty to fill them.

As stated at the top that reported $450,000 a year for Flanagan may well come back to haunt. It could be that extra $100,000 or $200,000 that stops the Dogs from filling a major spot.

Good luck to all the teams this year – except against the Dogs.
Who the fuck writes this speculative shit?!!!
 

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Not the opinion pieces
which fans like u deep throat and hang off every word
It's no different to me replying to your opinion or someone else's on here tho. I don't really get your point.
 

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With the players that we have under contract for next season I think we need 3 signings for our lineup at the very least.

Paul Vaughan, Jackson Topine & Max King could those signings if they show enough this season.

Hopefully we can get someone to take Flanagan & Allan as that would save us around 800k for 2023.

01. Creedence Toia
02. Josh Addo-Carr
03. Aaron Schoupp
04. Paul Alamoti
05. Brent Naden
06. Matt Burton (c)(k)
07. Khaled Rajab
08. Paul Vaughan?
09. Reed Mahoney
10. Luke Thompson
11. Jackson Topine?
12. Viliame Kikau
13. Tevita Pangai Junior


14. Bailey Biondi-Odo
15. Josh Jackson
16. Max King?
17. Ava Seumanufagai

That lineup is easily a top 8 team.
 
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