Opinion Salary Cap isn't working

[Dogs4eva13]

As has been pointed out in a few threads salary cap clearly is not wotking as intended. Instead of evening the comp it is keeping the bottom teams down. Bottom teams have to pay overs and long contracts that means they are stuck when the player under performs. There is hardly any change in the top 8 maybe 1 to 2 teams a year. Top teams also rout the cap. Souths should be still paying for Burgous and Roberts and it is a scam that they got out of those contracts. Especially the Roberts one that is baffling.
I liked our cap better than the afl draft at first but have to admit there system seems to be working better in the long run. We have to move to a draft or similar system or the game will break down even further. Expansion is crazy considerig the current situation.
Finally buying our way out is not the answer. Penrith has shown keeping your juniors is the only way. Hopefully that is our top priority. There are too many teams above us like Melbourne and Rorters that already buy their roster and they are in a way stronger barganing position at the moment. Buying payers they are willing to let go has not worked!

 

[KLil]

Salary cap is bullshit when you have uncapped 3rd party payments and privatization of clubs.

 

[rainman]

Yes it is just look at the top 4 teams every year

 

[Freakzilla]

Get rid of the salary cap. Bring in transfer fees.

 

[liljohny]

Love him or hate him, this is what made David Gallop good for the game.

Rorting of the cap was nearly always found and those found doing it were dealt with. Including us. It evened out the game, made it interesting and nearly every season saw a rotation of 3 to 4 teams in the top 8.

Its no surprise that teams like Roosters fell off their perch after he came in. In fact from 2005 to 2012 roosters only made finals twice. 2012 Gallop says bye bye, and guess who rises to the top!! Roosters. 3 premierships in 7 seasons, missed finals once.

 

[Coventry]

The Raiders have a number of players on less than half what they were on at other clubs. Ryan James went from $780 at the Titans to $390. CNK played last year for $130k. Others have signed for far less than offered elsewhere. Fix the culture and the cap becomes pretty much irrelevant...

 

[gbrussell]

As has been pointed out in a few threads salary cap clearly is not wotking as intended. Instead of evening the comp it is keeping the bottom teams down. Bottom teams have to pay overs and long contracts that means they are stuck when the player under performs. There is hardly any change in the top 8 maybe 1 to 2 teams a year. Top teams also rout the cap. Souths should be still paying for Burgous and Roberts and it is a scam that they got out of those contracts. Especially the Roberts one that is baffling.
I liked our cap better than the afl draft at first but have to admit there system seems to be working better in the long run. We have to move to a draft or similar system or the game will break down even further. Expansion is crazy considerig the current situation.
Finally buying our way out is not the answer. Penrith has shown keeping your juniors is the only way. Hopefully that is our top priority. There are too many teams above us like Melbourne and Rorters that already buy their roster and they are in a way stronger barganing position at the moment. Buying payers they are willing to let go has not worked!

The 2 main reasons the Salary Cap + Draft works in AFL are
1) If you get caught breaking the cap (as Carlton did) the club is excluded from rounds 1 and 2 of the draft for at least 2 years dependant on the magnitude of the breach. Carlton have been largely irrelevant as an AFL power team since then.
2) AFL has always had a superior administration who were successful in getting the Players Association to agree to the draft being part of the collective bargaining agreement way back in the 1980s. It has stayed there ever since because the clubs feel it is in the best interest of the sport. Rugby league players and clubs would NEVER agree to it being inserted in the CBA. Terry Hill, Warren Ryan and Kevin Ryan ruined it in the 1990s and forever more.

 

[Alan79]

For the salary cap to work there needs to be some rules applied that will make it work.

1. Highest bidder for a player sets the price of bidding (or at least an in the same ballpark figure).
Sick of hearing shit about how players like Tedesco will take $300k under his market vaue to stay at the Roosters. Same shit with Keary. If a club offers him 1 million per season on the salary cap it should mean that the Roosters have to at least offer $950k to $975k per season on the salary cap. We currently have a situation where someone like Politis could easily arrange for a $300k per season third party deal through his business connections. And he still might win the player with promisies of TPA's he arranges on the sly even if this rule was bought in, but it might mean he can save $25k to $50k through cheating rather than $300k. That's 300k less to offer another decent player. Considering that the Roosters supposedly have both Keary and Tedesco on significantly less than other clubs were willing to offer under the cap (reportedly something like half a million between those two) it just means a stacked team can still make offers on another really good player. half a million can get you a very good forward or back. It reduces the options for marquee players a bit. But for someone able to earn half a million dollars a year that should be an inconvenience they're prepared to live with. Fly in fly out workers suffer that inconvenience for $50k a year jobs. Footballers should realize that sacrifices need to be made to earn the big dollars.

2. Junior reductions.
If you are the first club to pay a junior a contract you are entitled to a permanent discount on their wage that increases by a small amount for every year they stay in your junior system. Not sure what is fair. But we are in a situation where many clubs have very little incentive to spend on player development. Many will just wait till a good junior is approaching 18-19 to chase promising juniors and a club that has developed them from 15 years of age will lose out on a player they've alredy invested plenty of time and effort into. The NRL could really increase the number of good players coming through the junior systems by giving each club a specified country area to invest in if their local junior base is too small to be useful. and this in turn would help keep league viable in country areas as well.

There are probably a few more ideas that would help balance the spread of talent. But these two alone would mean that (a) clubs couldn't keep offering money on the side to get players. (b) More clubs would be inclined to carry the financial weight of investing in the players that will be the future of the game.

 

[Dogs4eva13]

All good points above. Don't know how but pressure needs to be put on administrators to change. It is clear 4 rounds in that there are at least 4 teams who can't make the 8 I. The Dogs, Manly, NQ and the Broncos. There are another 3 or 4 teams who may stumble into the 8 but definitly can't win as have seriously inferior Rosters to the top teams in Tigers, Sharks Dragons. That is almost half the comp that are just making up numbers from pm round 4.That is not a healthy competition.

 

[Mike Fixa]

Juniors is clearly the way to go. However it requires a 5-10 year investment where the club would have to agree to not go out buying marquee players (except maybe one or two).

 

[QLDdogsfan]

Culture is everything, I look at the nrl right now and in a way to me it's becoming similar to the NBA players will take less money to stay on competitive teams and have a chance to compete for a championship every year. There are still a few high profile players leaving for money etc David Fifita but when you look at someone like Brandon Smith who is probably going to stay at the storm for a fuck ton less then other clubs will offer him I think our only way out is junior development which will take years. We gotta get better at scouting and poaching talent before they make it into the NRL.

 

[ash160]

Salary cap is bullshit when you have uncapped 3rd party payments and privatization of clubs.

Yes...that makes a complete mockery of the whole system

 

[bradyk]

Well when you make decisions that royally F your salary cap for years to come to try and get a "quick fix" it isn't going to work more times than not. Having a free for all is only going to benefit the rich clubs. I'm not sure if it's legal but we need to load up on TPA's and front loading contracts, but tbh we should of already been doing that. We needed to be recalibrating our salary cap while waiting for the deadwood to be moved on.

 

[Howie B]

Well when you make decisions that royally F your salary cap for years to come to try and get a "quick fix" it isn't going to work more times than not. Having a free for all is only going to benefit the rich clubs. I'm not sure if it's legal but we need to load up on TPA's and front loading contracts, but tbh we should of already been doing that.

Agreed

The clubs down the bottom have made shitty recruitment decisions. Look at our signings lately - Napa, Stimson, Foran, Lichha, etc

It ain’t the salary caps fault we have made shit decisions. I said it the other day - who was our last really good signing?

 

[Dogs4eva13]

Agreed

The clubs down the bottom have made shitty recruitment decisions. Look at our signings lately - Napa, Stimson, Foran, Lichha, etc

It ain’t the salary caps fault we have made shit decisions. I said it the other day - who was our last really good signing?

Rod Silva?

 

[AlzzBulldog]

We need a transfer fee system
you can sign anyone at anytime pending permission from the club and transfer fee

 

[James zac]

All good points above. Don't know how but pressure needs to be put on administrators to change. It is clear 4 rounds in that there are at least 4 teams who can't make the 8 I. The Dogs, Manly, NQ and the Broncos. There are another 3 or 4 teams who may stumble into the 8 but definitly can't win as have seriously inferior Rosters to the top teams in Tigers, Sharks Dragons. That is almost half the comp that are just making up numbers from pm round 4.That is not a healthy competition.

Good post

 

[_G-Dog_]

Their will always be good teams and bad teams..

We are where we are because of all the mistakes made of the past... and it will take a while to fix..

 

[Scoooby]

We need a transfer fee system
you can sign anyone at anytime pending permission from the club and transfer fee

Yup.. need something lol.!!!

 

[James zac]

Their will always be good teams and bad teams..

We are where we are because of all the mistakes made of the past... and it will take a while to fix..

Yeh well way we going we will be the next Newton two games on a Good Friday both training runs the product is broken