Tolman does not deserve to be dropped. He was not the cause of our defeat. He did his job like he always does.Tolman needs to dropped he is useless
If season is suspended then it gives time for us to get CHN and Foran back from injury, and Bateman for Canberra.
It was pretty widely reported that Holland was the Statistical form centre of 2018. https://www.thekennel.net.au/forum/...ntre-in-2018-for-creating-line-breaks.111457/Most importantly it gives Holland more time to improve as a ball playing fullback. Seeing as he will be the kangaroos fullback for the next 5 years. I don't understand why he isn't playing fullback for us already.
I'm worried if Pay doesn't give Holland a chance at the back soon another club will identify his talent and make him an offer he can't refuse.
Yes but time ran out.You've really changed your tune about Pay from what you wrote 18 months ago which was full of praise...
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Lucky Newcastle he didn't sign for them! 550k lol, would be a giant waste of utter money!Unfortunately Pay (and injury)ruined him by moving him around and it killed his progress.
what hurts my heart is he turned down an offer of 550k a year from Newcastle (where he grew!) to re-sign with us at 450k for three years. It just shows what Bulldogs DNA and loyalty gets a player. Why I can’t buy this DNA business as serious.
Holland and Reimis had a good thing going. And now Holland’s confidence is down. He is still doing ok in attack but you can see he’s a bit lost positionally now.
He is a good hooker too, and it is interesting Pay has chosen to use him in that role. What makes sense is Fullback though, you only need to see what he did in NSW CUP at the back. Literally made most line breaks in one game out of any player in the comp that year in a single game.
I think Pay appreciates him but can’t figure out how to use him. He’s overthinking a bit. For Holland, he really does need a good season to ensure his future. I know he’s brilliant, YOU know he’s brilliant, but this is lost on the greater league community when he isn’t front and centre producing results.
It’s Luke Mcdougall all over again. Nasheed.
Put simply, we do not have an attack coach. We have Georgallis.Based on what Pay's done in the past, and what he's talking about this year I highly doubt he'll change for the sake of changing.
If suspension forces our hand then OK, but otherwise ... no. We've gotta give the lads in the attacking department at least a chance to turn things around.
Of course you wouldNasheed here,
For me personally I would really like to see Holland in the centres
OK but it's not all on Pay is it?Yes but time ran out.
Ive always said hes a good bloke and great at bringing players together.
He still isnt picking blokes in the right positions. Its just not good enough unfortunately.
I also stated when he first showed up he would definitely need a great attacking coach for him to make it.
It hasnt happened and look at our attack.
I was also willing to give lewis and marshall king there time and chance too if u want to find old posts.
But the clock has hit the 11th hour with them too. Cant keep doing the same thing over and over for no results.
Thats insanity.
Great bloke, good coach, unfortunately i just dont think hes gonna be good enough to win us a premeirship.
So im always willing to bite the bullet and move forward.
Tolman does not deserve to be dropped. He was not the cause of our defeat. He did his job like he always does.
I see the problem as JMK and Wakeham. They did not provide any serviceable balls all night.
Katoa and Cogger must be elevated.
I know Dean Pay is a decent fellow and wont drop Wakeham after one game, but he must consider it.
He is not ordinary and uncreative.Lucky Newcastle he didn't sign for them! 550k lol, would be a giant waste of utter money!
Holland "brilliant"...at what? Stealing our salary cap? He's ordinary, slow, uncreative. He's another of our C-D grade standard players on a good day. It's a HUGE problem with our squad.