I agree with everything you said except for Peponis and Turvey.. They made bad mistakes during their tenures too. Although I don't have answers as to who would be a better option.After we lost Klemmer you’d think ok we have cash to spend and 1-2 roster spots available.
The thing for me is we have no fullback. We have no recognised first grade wingers or centres. We have questions with our halves. And we don’t have a hooker in the club at all.
Yet we sign Napa...... (considering we have Ogden, fualalo, got in sue, had tualau and toomanga. Fair enough no gun props. But to be honest to splash the cash on Napa. 2 600k front rowers won’t win us the Comp. but a fullback or creative hooker would keep us in more games.
That’s my issue with pay. I know he is limited with what he inherited and we can’t put the blame on him for everything. But CHN, Napa, sue, clay priest, crighton are all on his hands. So my blame for them Are on the board and the coach. And until he fills the glaring voids in the team (I.e stop recruiting front and second rowers) and gets us backs that can compete with the opposition teams backs, halves that don’t shit the bed on every play and a hooker that can pass, tackle and run. Then I will stop criticising him.
To be honest he seems inexperienced and a rookie coach. Looked that way last year. And didn’t do enough to improve us this season. And I think our slide from 2012 will continue. From 1st to last. And most likely I think 11th in 2017 12th in 2018 and possibly worse this year.
I’ll give pay and the board one more season (like I mentioned in other threads). I guess like they said there is no quick fix and they shed every first grade player away. We should have close to 9.5 mill to play with next year (doubt we’ll still be paying off contracts. Stupid if we are). So I’ll give them this season and the off season to bring in the players and the people required.
But if next year finishes outside the top 8 (like it seems like we are heading to this year) for mine no one survives. Not board. Not coach. Not assistants. And not even the players.
You’d need a full clean out and I’d hope The Anderson’s would say 3 seasons in we went backwards and we are out of our depth.
Ideally I’d love Mortimer, peponis and Corey Payne involved in some capacity. Peponis and Mortimer were both there last premiership. So I’d be happy with their expertise in club management.
For sure. We concede one try and the floodgates open and the players look like they want to kill themselves.Pay needs to find a good on field leader and give the boys room to play their game. They look lost once something goes wrong
hes not accountable for the full playing roster, but he is responsible for the recruits in the offseason ...Yes i am not happy with the way the bulldogs have perfomed in the first 2 weeks.
As a fan i am angry and dissatisfied with what i have seen.
WE ARE BLAMING DEAN PAY and I have as well. But after DEEP THINKING and taking away my emotions i realised that we have lost most of our experienced players in last 12 to 18 months due to salary cap clean up which we all knew wont be sorted until 2020-2021
We have a coach who has only reserve graders to pick a team for first grade and around 3 to 4 other players that might be considered 1st graders and would make any other first grade team.
I have read a lot today that DEAN PAY IS THIS AND THAT. BUT REALLY HOW IS THIS BECAUSE OF DEAN PAY. Get BELLAMY, BENETT AND MAGUIRE to ALL BE COACHES OF THIS BULLDOGS TEAM working together and they will not make this team play any better.. yes 3 of them coaching this team fulltime.
We know we have a bad roster.. we know have the least experienced team and we have a coach who HAS TO EXPERIMENT with this team until he gets the best players he has to play in whatever position.
He his rebuilding what HASLER BROKE and this takes time. He has brought in some young players that were available that MIGHT have potential and he has to give them experience.
He has made changes that were required and he will continue until he gets it right to the best of his ability WITH WHAT players ARE available.
YES WE ARE NOT HAPPY but lets be realistic. Lets be honest and instead of being emotional and negative. WE AS SUPPORTERS NEED TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND POSTIVE IN HOW WE THINK BECAUSE WE WILL NOT ALWAYS WIN.
ITS A GAME A FOOTY AND REALLY WIN LOSE OR DRAW IT DOES NOT CHANGE MY LIFE.
SO STOP BLAMING DEAN PAY. HE IS TRYING. HE IS A HUMAN BEING. HE HAS NOT GOT QUALITY PLAYERS AND THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT. AND I HAVE MADE UP MY MIND AND I WILL REPEAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT.
So stop being KEYBOARD WARRIORS AND TRY AND MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER BY BLAMING DEAN PAY.
HE IS NOT THE ONE THAT SPENT 1.2 MIL ON FORAN.
HE is not the one that STUFFED up the salary CAP.
Unfortunately for him he has to rebuild a team from scratch.
NOT LIKE WAYNE BENNETT WHO HAS TAKEN OVER AN ALREADY MADE SOUTHS TEAM WHO ARE ALREADY A TEAM THAT CAN WIN THE COMP.
OKAY LOOK AT ARTHUR at PARRA they have stuck with him for years even after they got the spoon a few times. Now Wowww they WON 2 games and ready to DO a contract extension.
STUART AT RAIDERS SHOULD HAVE WON A TITLE BY NOW.
BROWN AT KNIGHTS WAS SIMILAR SITUATION TO WHAT PAY IS IN NOW.
PAUL GREEN WON A GF - MADE A GF and with the same team LAST YEAR ALMOST Got the SPOON.
ROBINSON A FEW YEARS BACK had the roosters near the bottom with a premiership winning team.
So stop SOOKING and CRYING AND BLAMING DEAN PAY AND TRYING TO MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER.
INSTEAD BE EXCITED AT OUR YOUNG PLAYERS COMING IN AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO. BE POSITIVE AND BE REALISTIC. LET THEM LEARN AND WATCH THEM DEVELOP. LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE SUPPORTERS THAT GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE NOT SUPPORTERS THAT ARE TALKING SHIT ABOUT THEM.
WE CAN UNEARTH SOME FUTURE STARS AND IN A YEAR OR 2 CAN BUY SOME QUALITY PLAYERS THAT WILL MOULD THE TEAM INTO A THREAT.
I WOULD RATHER SEE MY TEAM GROW AND BE COMPETITIVE AND PLAY WITH A BULLDOG SPIRIT RATHER THEN BUY A TEAM AND WIN A COMP WITH PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT REAL BULLDOGS.
I AM ACTUALLY HAPPY TO WATCH THIS TEAM GROW AND LEARN AND TRY HARD AND LET PAY EXPERIMENT AND TRY AND WORK OUR WHAT IS THE BEST COMBINATIONS HE CAN DEVELOP AND LET THEM HAVE SOME FUN.
I CAN FINALLY ACCEPT THIS REALITY AND ACCEPT THAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT. NO COACH CAN DO ANY BETTER.
AND IF YOU WATCHED THE FIRST 25MIN OF THE PARRA GAME. We actually played some good footy.. we just need to hold the ball and learn to defend better as they get fitter. We will improve in the next 4 weeks and I am confident we will make the 8.
And if NOT then so what. At least i have hope and thats enough to keep me excited to watch our next game and so on
If this was a top 4 team and we played like that then bloody oath i will blame the coach
WE ARE A TEAM OF ROOKIES AND THEY ARE STILL MY TEAM.
I LOVE MY BULLDOGS NO MATTER WHAT.
ONCE AGAIN I HAVE COME TO THE HONEST REALIZATION WITH MY EMOTIONS CLEAR OF ANY FEELINGS THAT THE TRUTH IS
THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT
YES THAT IS THE TRUTH, THE HONEST TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH
SO STOP PICKING ON PAY AND STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABIES AND BE REALISTIC AND HONEST IN THE FACTS.
SOOKS, FAR OUT FOR THE LAST YEAR WE KNEW THIS REBUILD WAS HAPPENING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL..
THIS IS NOT A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS.
THIS IS A TEAM OF ROOKIES. THAT WILL BECOME A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS
I'm not sure if it's simply fitness or match fitness I thinks it's more mental toughness. we seem very fragile and on edge.hes not accountable for the full playing roster, but he is responsible for the recruits in the offseason ...
why does our fitness look so bad.
Deathspell wrote a long comment about roster and said 28 of the 30 had their contracts signed or resigned since Pay came on board as head coach.hes not accountable for the full playing roster, but he is responsible for the recruits in the offseason ...
why does our fitness look so bad.
incorrect.. Holland, Montoya, Fualalo, Elliott, Jackson, brown.. that's without me even trying to research...Deathspell wrote a long comment about roster and said 28 of the 30 had their contracts signed or resigned since Pay came on board as head coach.
I thought about it and could only think of 3 players whose current contract was in place before Pay.
Foran
Tolman
Hopoate
It's because the team no longer have the Morris Brothers whod clean up these opportunistic long range runshes not accountable for the full playing roster, but he is responsible for the recruits in the offseason ...
why does our fitness look so bad.
Thanks for this post Mike. Long overdue. I too, have had many misgivings about posting here because of the negativity. I understand the passionate nature of teams supporters but sometimes they need to be tempered with a more understanding approach. Someone wise said to me once: "Reality is not what you want it to be or what it once was --it is what it is NOW." I've been a Doggies/ Berries supporter for nearly six decades--yes I'm getting old. But I've also taught kids music . One thing I've found is that not everyone is naturally gifted BUT all people like praise. See the positive in someone. Dean Pay wants to succeed . His players also. Give them a chance . Support them when they lose. Celebrate when they win and be true supporters through thick and thin. This is philosophical but I believe it transfers through life in general. I know some of you will castigate me and Mike but what does that say about you?Yes i am not happy with the way the bulldogs have perfomed in the first 2 weeks.
As a fan i am angry and dissatisfied with what i have seen.
WE ARE BLAMING DEAN PAY and I have as well. But after DEEP THINKING and taking away my emotions i realised that we have lost most of our experienced players in last 12 to 18 months due to salary cap clean up which we all knew wont be sorted until 2020-2021
We have a coach who has only reserve graders to pick a team for first grade and around 3 to 4 other players that might be considered 1st graders and would make any other first grade team.
I have read a lot today that DEAN PAY IS THIS AND THAT. BUT REALLY HOW IS THIS BECAUSE OF DEAN PAY. Get BELLAMY, BENETT AND MAGUIRE to ALL BE COACHES OF THIS BULLDOGS TEAM working together and they will not make this team play any better.. yes 3 of them coaching this team fulltime.
We know we have a bad roster.. we know have the least experienced team and we have a coach who HAS TO EXPERIMENT with this team until he gets the best players he has to play in whatever position.
He his rebuilding what HASLER BROKE and this takes time. He has brought in some young players that were available that MIGHT have potential and he has to give them experience.
He has made changes that were required and he will continue until he gets it right to the best of his ability WITH WHAT players ARE available.
YES WE ARE NOT HAPPY but lets be realistic. Lets be honest and instead of being emotional and negative. WE AS SUPPORTERS NEED TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND POSTIVE IN HOW WE THINK BECAUSE WE WILL NOT ALWAYS WIN.
ITS A GAME A FOOTY AND REALLY WIN LOSE OR DRAW IT DOES NOT CHANGE MY LIFE.
SO STOP BLAMING DEAN PAY. HE IS TRYING. HE IS A HUMAN BEING. HE HAS NOT GOT QUALITY PLAYERS AND THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT. AND I HAVE MADE UP MY MIND AND I WILL REPEAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT.
So stop being KEYBOARD WARRIORS AND TRY AND MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER BY BLAMING DEAN PAY.
HE IS NOT THE ONE THAT SPENT 1.2 MIL ON FORAN.
HE is not the one that STUFFED up the salary CAP.
Unfortunately for him he has to rebuild a team from scratch.
NOT LIKE WAYNE BENNETT WHO HAS TAKEN OVER AN ALREADY MADE SOUTHS TEAM WHO ARE ALREADY A TEAM THAT CAN WIN THE COMP.
OKAY LOOK AT ARTHUR at PARRA they have stuck with him for years even after they got the spoon a few times. Now Wowww they WON 2 games and ready to DO a contract extension.
STUART AT RAIDERS SHOULD HAVE WON A TITLE BY NOW.
BROWN AT KNIGHTS WAS SIMILAR SITUATION TO WHAT PAY IS IN NOW.
PAUL GREEN WON A GF - MADE A GF and with the same team LAST YEAR ALMOST Got the SPOON.
ROBINSON A FEW YEARS BACK had the roosters near the bottom with a premiership winning team.
So stop SOOKING and CRYING AND BLAMING DEAN PAY AND TRYING TO MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER.
INSTEAD BE EXCITED AT OUR YOUNG PLAYERS COMING IN AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO. BE POSITIVE AND BE REALISTIC. LET THEM LEARN AND WATCH THEM DEVELOP. LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE SUPPORTERS THAT GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE NOT SUPPORTERS THAT ARE TALKING SHIT ABOUT THEM.
WE CAN UNEARTH SOME FUTURE STARS AND IN A YEAR OR 2 CAN BUY SOME QUALITY PLAYERS THAT WILL MOULD THE TEAM INTO A THREAT.
I WOULD RATHER SEE MY TEAM GROW AND BE COMPETITIVE AND PLAY WITH A BULLDOG SPIRIT RATHER THEN BUY A TEAM AND WIN A COMP WITH PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT REAL BULLDOGS.
I AM ACTUALLY HAPPY TO WATCH THIS TEAM GROW AND LEARN AND TRY HARD AND LET PAY EXPERIMENT AND TRY AND WORK OUR WHAT IS THE BEST COMBINATIONS HE CAN DEVELOP AND LET THEM HAVE SOME FUN.
I CAN FINALLY ACCEPT THIS REALITY AND ACCEPT THAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT. NO COACH CAN DO ANY BETTER.
AND IF YOU WATCHED THE FIRST 25MIN OF THE PARRA GAME. We actually played some good footy.. we just need to hold the ball and learn to defend better as they get fitter. We will improve in the next 4 weeks and I am confident we will make the 8.
And if NOT then so what. At least i have hope and thats enough to keep me excited to watch our next game and so on
If this was a top 4 team and we played like that then bloody oath i will blame the coach
WE ARE A TEAM OF ROOKIES AND THEY ARE STILL MY TEAM.
I LOVE MY BULLDOGS NO MATTER WHAT.
ONCE AGAIN I HAVE COME TO THE HONEST REALIZATION WITH MY EMOTIONS CLEAR OF ANY FEELINGS THAT THE TRUTH IS
THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT
YES THAT IS THE TRUTH, THE HONEST TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH
SO STOP PICKING ON PAY AND STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABIES AND BE REALISTIC AND HONEST IN THE FACTS.
SOOKS, FAR OUT FOR THE LAST YEAR WE KNEW THIS REBUILD WAS HAPPENING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL..
THIS IS NOT A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS.
THIS IS A TEAM OF ROOKIES. THAT WILL BECOME A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS
Stick to your music bud. I have not seen anything to suggest any of our players want to succeed. Dean wanting to succeed doesnt mean it will ever happen. He has lost the dressing room its very obvious the players dont agree with what he is doing, so they will never try 100%.Thanks for this post Mike. Long overdue. I too, have had many misgivings about posting here because of the negativity. I understand the passionate nature of teams supporters but sometimes they need to be tempered with a more understanding approach. Someone wise said to me once: "Reality is not what you want it to be or what it once was --it is what it is NOW." I've been a Doggies/ Berries supporter for nearly six decades--yes I'm getting old. But I've also taught kids music . One thing I've found is that not everyone is naturally gifted BUT all people like praise. See the positive in someone. Dean Pay wants to succeed . His players also. Give them a chance . Support them when they lose. Celebrate when they win and be true supporters through thick and thin. This is philosophical but I believe it transfers through life in general. I know some of you will castigate me and Mike but what does that say about you?
Some of us like to stir up shit once in awhile to get a rise out of people like you and "mike" pay who make lengthy posts defending his rubbish decisions?Thanks for this post Mike. Long overdue. I too, have had many misgivings about posting here because of the negativity. I understand the passionate nature of teams supporters but sometimes they need to be tempered with a more understanding approach. Someone wise said to me once: "Reality is not what you want it to be or what it once was --it is what it is NOW." I've been a Doggies/ Berries supporter for nearly six decades--yes I'm getting old. But I've also taught kids music . One thing I've found is that not everyone is naturally gifted BUT all people like praise. See the positive in someone. Dean Pay wants to succeed . His players also. Give them a chance . Support them when they lose. Celebrate when they win and be true supporters through thick and thin. This is philosophical but I believe it transfers through life in general. I know some of you will castigate me and Mike but what does that say about you?
Pay shouldn't have been appointed as the coach in this terrible times, we needed a very experienced coach or as I have suggested before we should have appointed Hagan as his mentor...This is too big of a club and too turbulent of a time to take a gamble !!!Yes i am not happy with the way the bulldogs have perfomed in the first 2 weeks.
As a fan i am angry and dissatisfied with what i have seen.
WE ARE BLAMING DEAN PAY and I have as well. But after DEEP THINKING and taking away my emotions i realised that we have lost most of our experienced players in last 12 to 18 months due to salary cap clean up which we all knew wont be sorted until 2020-2021
We have a coach who has only reserve graders to pick a team for first grade and around 3 to 4 other players that might be considered 1st graders and would make any other first grade team.
I have read a lot today that DEAN PAY IS THIS AND THAT. BUT REALLY HOW IS THIS BECAUSE OF DEAN PAY. Get BELLAMY, BENETT AND MAGUIRE to ALL BE COACHES OF THIS BULLDOGS TEAM working together and they will not make this team play any better.. yes 3 of them coaching this team fulltime.
We know we have a bad roster.. we know have the least experienced team and we have a coach who HAS TO EXPERIMENT with this team until he gets the best players he has to play in whatever position.
He his rebuilding what HASLER BROKE and this takes time. He has brought in some young players that were available that MIGHT have potential and he has to give them experience.
He has made changes that were required and he will continue until he gets it right to the best of his ability WITH WHAT players ARE available.
YES WE ARE NOT HAPPY but lets be realistic. Lets be honest and instead of being emotional and negative. WE AS SUPPORTERS NEED TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND POSTIVE IN HOW WE THINK BECAUSE WE WILL NOT ALWAYS WIN.
ITS A GAME A FOOTY AND REALLY WIN LOSE OR DRAW IT DOES NOT CHANGE MY LIFE.
SO STOP BLAMING DEAN PAY. HE IS TRYING. HE IS A HUMAN BEING. HE HAS NOT GOT QUALITY PLAYERS AND THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT. AND I HAVE MADE UP MY MIND AND I WILL REPEAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT.
So stop being KEYBOARD WARRIORS AND TRY AND MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER BY BLAMING DEAN PAY.
HE IS NOT THE ONE THAT SPENT 1.2 MIL ON FORAN.
HE is not the one that STUFFED up the salary CAP.
Unfortunately for him he has to rebuild a team from scratch.
NOT LIKE WAYNE BENNETT WHO HAS TAKEN OVER AN ALREADY MADE SOUTHS TEAM WHO ARE ALREADY A TEAM THAT CAN WIN THE COMP.
OKAY LOOK AT ARTHUR at PARRA they have stuck with him for years even after they got the spoon a few times. Now Wowww they WON 2 games and ready to DO a contract extension.
STUART AT RAIDERS SHOULD HAVE WON A TITLE BY NOW.
BROWN AT KNIGHTS WAS SIMILAR SITUATION TO WHAT PAY IS IN NOW.
PAUL GREEN WON A GF - MADE A GF and with the same team LAST YEAR ALMOST Got the SPOON.
ROBINSON A FEW YEARS BACK had the roosters near the bottom with a premiership winning team.
So stop SOOKING and CRYING AND BLAMING DEAN PAY AND TRYING TO MAKE YOUR SELF FEEL BETTER.
INSTEAD BE EXCITED AT OUR YOUNG PLAYERS COMING IN AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO. BE POSITIVE AND BE REALISTIC. LET THEM LEARN AND WATCH THEM DEVELOP. LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE SUPPORTERS THAT GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE NOT SUPPORTERS THAT ARE TALKING SHIT ABOUT THEM.
WE CAN UNEARTH SOME FUTURE STARS AND IN A YEAR OR 2 CAN BUY SOME QUALITY PLAYERS THAT WILL MOULD THE TEAM INTO A THREAT.
I WOULD RATHER SEE MY TEAM GROW AND BE COMPETITIVE AND PLAY WITH A BULLDOG SPIRIT RATHER THEN BUY A TEAM AND WIN A COMP WITH PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT REAL BULLDOGS.
I AM ACTUALLY HAPPY TO WATCH THIS TEAM GROW AND LEARN AND TRY HARD AND LET PAY EXPERIMENT AND TRY AND WORK OUR WHAT IS THE BEST COMBINATIONS HE CAN DEVELOP AND LET THEM HAVE SOME FUN.
I CAN FINALLY ACCEPT THIS REALITY AND ACCEPT THAT THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT. NO COACH CAN DO ANY BETTER.
AND IF YOU WATCHED THE FIRST 25MIN OF THE PARRA GAME. We actually played some good footy.. we just need to hold the ball and learn to defend better as they get fitter. We will improve in the next 4 weeks and I am confident we will make the 8.
And if NOT then so what. At least i have hope and thats enough to keep me excited to watch our next game and so on
If this was a top 4 team and we played like that then bloody oath i will blame the coach
WE ARE A TEAM OF ROOKIES AND THEY ARE STILL MY TEAM.
I LOVE MY BULLDOGS NO MATTER WHAT.
ONCE AGAIN I HAVE COME TO THE HONEST REALIZATION WITH MY EMOTIONS CLEAR OF ANY FEELINGS THAT THE TRUTH IS
THIS IS NOT DEAN PAYS FAULT
YES THAT IS THE TRUTH, THE HONEST TRUTH AND ONLY THE TRUTH
SO STOP PICKING ON PAY AND STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABIES AND BE REALISTIC AND HONEST IN THE FACTS.
SOOKS, FAR OUT FOR THE LAST YEAR WE KNEW THIS REBUILD WAS HAPPENING. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL..
THIS IS NOT A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS.
THIS IS A TEAM OF ROOKIES. THAT WILL BECOME A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS