Ok im gonna have abit of a rant about vengeance falls. I've been a massive Trivium fan since before Ascendancy came out. I loved that record as i did The Crusade (yes really) and Shogun was a beast from start to finish. They kept things fresh with albums that kept broadening their sound. When In waves came out i thought it was ok but def not their best work, then i found out David Draiman was producing the new record. I have nothing against Draiman but 5-10 years ago I doubt Trivium would have wanted to have been associated with him. They considered themselves more of a Thrash band (although they really weren't) who wanted to tour with the big four. It makes me think they are writing material that will sell more records and hey they have a great chance to turn Draimans legion of fans onto their own music so who can blame them. I just feel the new songs sound like In Waves B-Sides with terrible vocals and lyrics, nothing new or fresh like before. I envy everyone who enjoys this album i just cant get into it.